AJRTDDI Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 I'v done everything i can do to the factory engine without serious money.Ford Focus Mk1 89bhpi want a good 140bhpIs this possable ? ( i dont mind traveling out of area for a good tuner)Note: Videos Are on Flat Level Ground. No Axle Stands or Dynos. Short & sweet :)0-40 Pull 20-60 Pull 3RD Gear Pull She's pritty nippy since videos are only Stock engine :P Do you think its been remapped before ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOCA Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Realistically it will be difficult to get a lot more than (a genuine) 125Hp out of the engne withe the stock pump and injectors Different rolling roads / dyno(meters) can give different results, and some exaggerate the results so you could get 140Hp "on paper" but in "real life" those horses wont be reaching the wheels, if you know what i mean whatever you do to the turbo/ air supply/ boost pressure - the pump/ injectors will hold it back If you have a fixed vane turbo with wastegate, you could fit an electronic boost controller - then you can run more boost and (with the right controiller) the boost should come in sooner, reducing lag, improving throttle response and increasing power/ torque at lower revs - giving you more pull out of corners Best to fit a boost gauge and a good, matched to the engine (not too big/ not too small) front - mounted intercooler Im sure thare are loads of remappers in Birmingham, but good ones? for you, i think you need one with premises, and their own rolling road/ dyno Also look in to lightening the car, especially the rotating parts, like the wheels flywheel etc - you could look at my build thread for ideas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJRTDDI Posted December 15, 2013 Author Share Posted December 15, 2013 cheers i uploaded 2 videos. Do you have any Videos of ur mondeo ? (0-40) and (20-60) (3rd gear pull)i couldnt do a 0-60 safely one handed cause i get alittleThe videos uploaded are pretty stock. It feels a good strong engine. What do u think considering the times ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salsheikh Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 why you try pumabuild - see what they can offer but like FOCA says, 140bhp is a big ask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJRTDDI Posted December 15, 2013 Author Share Posted December 15, 2013 i work next too Puma Build. I move our work cars out the way so they can take the Focus RS out of a morning.They don't Offer any off the shelf support or remaps for the TDDI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOCA Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Superchips do a Blufin for the TDDI - http://www.mybluefin.co.uk/curves/focustd.pdf It claims a significant increase from 98 to 123Hp and 223 to 287Nm of torque, the power/ torque curves are quite a good shape and if you keep it between 2k & 4.5k it will fly along Its quite expensive at £323 but there are advantages with the Bluefin than with a typical remap another option is to pick up a second hand tuning box - they work well on the TDDIs, if they are the "premium" digital ones like the DT-UK - they can be (carefully!) turned up as well DT-UK tuning box - http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-ford_focus_1.8-tddi-90-ps its a claimed 120PS, 275Nm, thats without turning it up, in my experience the tuning box gives more bottom end, and a remap mor top end power not cheap at £360, but you might pick up a secondhand one, any "box for the vp30 (your rotary fuel pump) should do ok - better to get one with the plugs/ sockets attached On another forum there was someone claiming 145Hp but i don't know what they had to do to get that power its a good idea to do accurate performance testing/ times (safely) so you can track improvements as you do your mods, but things like timing errors and the speedo error (could be reading +10%- can make a big difference comparing your times to "official" times/ magazine times, but ok for comparing different times/ mods on the same car) this is the Superchips Bluefin power/ torque curves for a Mk2 Focus 2.0L TDCI - http://www.mybluefin.co.uk/curves/Focus20tdci136.pdf it peaks out at 3800, but it produces a claimed 176Hp and 387Nm with jusy a map, you would have to do a lot of work to get that sort of power out of your 1.8 TDCI, and it might cost a lot more to do that than just buying a mk2 and sticking a Blufin on it, you should really have a special reason to do it, like wanting to have the quickest Focus 1.8 TDDI or if you are running on veg oil etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOCA Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I was looking for cheaper tuning boxes and i found this - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chip-Tuning-Box-FORD-FOCUS-MK1-1-8TDdi-66kW-90PS-Performance-Chiptuning-/171079028193?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27d51acde1#ht_5601wt_1141 this connects to the intake air temp sensor, and is not the same as one that connects to the vp30 pump - i would avoid one like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJRTDDI Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 I was looking for cheaper tuning boxes and i found this - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chip-Tuning-Box-FORD-FOCUS-MK1-1-8TDdi-66kW-90PS-Performance-Chiptuning-/171079028193?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27d51acde1#ht_5601wt_1141 this connects to the intake air temp sensor, and is not the same as one that connects to the vp30 pump - i would avoid one like this my wheels are stock size so speedo shouldnt be out more then normaly. at 60 my statnav read 59 and ticklers to 58 That cheap tuning box i guess puts resistence on the return signal to the ecu making engine pretending its cold ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJRTDDI Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 i never mind throwing money on my cars.I'v just had my months money and overtime pay (£1500 after tax)i would love to own the quickest TDDI. But i think a TDCI swap be better on my pocket. can u drop a 2.0 tdci into focus mk 1 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJRTDDI Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 is it really that hard to get 140 bhp from a 1.8 turbo :( ?my lightly tuned JP4 1.6 106 Rallye had 158bhp ;(Is there anything i can do to unlimit the fuel issue ?cant u use bigger nozzels or somthing or somthing like nitrous injection to add more fuel in a controled manor ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOCA Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 my wheels are stock size so speedo shouldnt be out more then normaly. at 60 my statnav read 59 and ticklers to 58 That cheap tuning box i guess puts resistence on the return signal to the ecu making engine pretending its cold ? Im just pointing out that manufacturers/ Car magazines etc use controlled methods for timing/ speed testing cars - so in the "old days" they used a 5th wheel and a lot of gear, timimg traps etc, if you are using the speedo, it may not be accurate, if you are using a stopwatch you may press it a split-second earlier/ later, there may be a gradient on the road, or a tailwind, the methods my be different (eg - timing the 50-70mph do you sit at 50 start the stopwatch/ then throttle or accelerate from 40, then start the stopwatch as it goes through 50mph) So it all adds up to the times you do yourself are not usually accurate, and do not compare to the official times from other cars etc Yes the cheap tuning box connects to the IAT (intake air temp) sensor, and fools the ECU into thinking it is colder, thus increasing the fuelling, not as effective as a "proper" tuning box and tho could make one yourself for less than a fiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOCA Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 i never mind throwing money on my cars. I'v just had my months money and overtime pay (£1500 after tax) i would love to own the quickest TDDI. But i think a TDCI swap be better on my pocket. can u drop a 2.0 tdci into focus mk 1 ? Probably - the mk1 is lighter than the mk2 so it might be worth the hassle - would not be a TDDI anymore if it had a TDCI engine, though is it really that hard to get 140 bhp from a 1.8 turbo :( ? my lightly tuned JP4 1.6 106 Rallye had 158bhp ;( Is there anything i can do to unlimit the fuel issue ? cant u use bigger nozzels or somthing or somthing like nitrous injection to add more fuel in a controled manor ? You can fit nitrus, its expensive and you get a limited supply, only really practical for drag racing water/ meth injection is probably more practical on a diesel, there are some who have done this, on other cars LPG might be the way to go, big power gains are possible All the above might need seriously stronger trassmissions/ gearboxes/ clutches etc the vp30 pump and the injectors are Bosch, it may be possible to obtain bigger injectors, or modify the existing injectors/ pump, there are people/ companies that do this, if you can find them, won't be cheap, though the remap/ premium tuning box can make the most of the existing injectors, mine, for example, are running at 95% of their capacity, a remaper (even Superchips/ Bluefin) can do this, if you ask them nicely there are things holding the engine back, different things depending on the engine there are a lot of things holding the 1.8TDDI back, you would have to change a lot to get big power - it could cost ££££££s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJRTDDI Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 Cheers for all your help mate.I was gonna get this mondeo with bluefin adverts 163Bhp & 380Nm on 2.0 TDCI 130After all engine remap cost me around £400 be lucky to get 125bhp and 270nmMondeo is £600. 2 Days labor to remove complete loom/ ECU (remove unwanted loom parts)Budget few £100 for pipework/Fuel line bolts plastic clips the oil and service work ect ectFor around a £1000 i could get a thrashed Mk2 Petrol focus but i wouldn't have such a fast and good mpg mk1 :)http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261352176960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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