jeebowhite Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 It sounds like the issue is more with the eolys fluid not helping the regeneration properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 Well I must admit, I noticed it immediately after filling it up (same station I always use so don't think it's the fuel)...but there are variables there, obviously the fuel flap was opened so should've injected some Eolys, but at the same time I reset all the counters on the dash, so average mpg etc, to see what I get over this tank and wondered if that resets other things in the PCM, last known regen for example, though I don't see why it would.Also, there was a canbus connection error on the fuel additive module...first time theres been one from that module but theres always several canbus errors pop up so I think it's just minor 'blips' from hitting bumps etc.As for the MPG, I only got 51mpg over a fairly easy 12 mile B road trip, starting with a warm engine on the drive back from the petrol station, though there were a couple of hard overtakes in that (one uphill as well, damn cyclists lol!) and the fans were running, but coolant temp was at the normal 78c.Today I noticed the mpg rising as soon as I started driving on a stone cold engine, even on the motorway at 70 it was still going up until about 59mpg, where it suddenly started dropping off (presumably a regen starting) and kept dropping until about 54, stopped in town, fans running, temp normal. On the way back, mpg dropping again at a constant 70 down to 51! Stopped at the supermarket (fans running). Left the supermarket, came home via the B road and the MPG started climbing, up to 57 when I got home...but again the fans were on when I stopped.There seems to be no constant between any of this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeebowhite Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I'm thinking you should bite the bullet and get it checked by Ford. They may confirm that it needs fluid in which case you can fill it up yourself, but to be honest it might be best to just let Ford do it should this be needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 Can't afford their diagnostic charge atm tbh. Its still under warranty from the Ford specialising independent where I bought it but DPF and Eolys are consumables unfortuanely so wouldn't get anything there. Annoying thing is one of my mates is a Ford tech, but he lives on the other side of the country lol. Only thing I can think to try is different fuel next time I fill up, but that's about 3 weeks away lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeebowhite Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Lol, I know what you mean. I would take it to your trader anyway. Worst he can do is tell you what's wrong and he's not paying for it, then you can fit it :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudman Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Dam was hoping the regen had solved this as mine does the same :( just hope it's not the dpf on its was out ..well if it is it'll be getting cut out ..... I usually use asda for my fuel but the last few fills I've been going to Shell an no difference regarding the fan so hopefully that will help you tom regarding the fuel change :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 True James, its a bit of a pain taking back there though so I'd rather avoid if possible....that said, if the turbo popped it'd be straight there lol. Ste, the static regen did seem to work for about a week, which is why I'm not really sure if it is the DPF itself. Looks like the fuel isn't the issue then, so I won't bother trying any premium stuff for this problem. If it genuinely is blocked, I'll try jetwashing mine out. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudman Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I wonder if this would be worth a try ? Wurth Diesel Particulate Filter Cleaner: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Hmm, not sure. I don't really like the wording on there tbh 'loosens and removes' particulates. Well if they couldn't get through the filter the first time or with a forced regen, they still wont. The only way it'll work is if it can literally dissolve soot and ash. You're welcome to give it a go though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeebowhite Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 As soot builds up in the exhaust (it is basically little more than a hyped up chimney filter) the soot compounds and builds up inside. This stuff attacks it, breaks it back into more powdery forms or smaller chunks and allows the exhaust gas to blow the particles out the exhaust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudman Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I messaged these b4 it's same sort of thing but they want £235 to do it , the videos shows loads of foam coming out of the back https://m.facebook.com/dpf.nw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudman Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Screen shot of there page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 James, that does make sense, so it 'loosens' the soot ready for the next regen. But you have to remember though, no particulates will pass through the DPF, so if its an ash blockage it still won't help. I'm still sceptical of the idea tbh, can't get an even spread of the stuff just by waving the straw around in the hole lol, and how do you know how much has been done, or areas that still need work...unless you have a colonoscope laying around I guess. :D Ste - I'd be very sceptical of those people on facebook. I don't have an account so cant see the vids, but just chucking washing up liquid in there will blow bubbles lol. Also why are the bubbles still white if they're getting rid of the black soot? Obviously I'm not saying don't try it, it's your car and entirely up to you, but I don't think I would myself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 UPDATE: So did a longer test today. Still getting this fault pop up on nearly every drive. Graph key - Red - distance until DPF is full of ash (irrelevant) Green - distance since last regen trial (note, 'trial' not completion) Blue - DPF pressure differential Pink - Post cat/pre DPF temp Yellow - RPM Purple - Fault codes caused Light purple - Coolant temp Orange - Speed (KPH) Red - Torque (any idea how this read lol, or is it just guessed? ) So, nice sedate drive, mpg rising - stop at roundabout then give it some onto an uphill NSL road - DPF pressure hits around 9kPa, temp is only around 200c and the fault code is thrown up (jump in dark purple line lol). Pressure then rises to 13kPa and temp continues to rise to 500c as it tries to regen - mpg dropping off lol. Though seems odd the code comes up before anything (temp/pressure) are unusually high?? Have to stop a short while later, fans running, think regen hadn't completed though. Another hard boot onto an NSL road sees it hit 16kPa (and 4444rpm lol)... Later on, regen trial occurs but DPF temp doesn't rise so assume it was aborted, uphill in 3rd and it's hitting 13kPa again... I don't understand why the code was thrown so early? But it does explain my poor motorway mpg....every time I boot it, the pressure rses more than its expecting so its trying to regen! If anyone knows what the expected pressures should be, that'd be really useful... :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 Just to update this, the last check before committing to the DPF being at fault was the differential pressure sensor and pipes. All good, not blocked and no cracks or splits. There was some odd green gunk on the top pipe though, what is it lol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy.B1971 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 When my missus eolys fluid ran out on her 56 plate focus it gave me a code (cant remember sorry) but 2 ltrs of fluid and a reset of the fluid counter did the trick , it flies better than my 10 plate (most annoying). Maybe a forced regen for me too ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fto dude Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 aarrggghhhh so many DPF woes. i must have rang 30 people yesterday asking for 'surgery' but only about 3 wanted to do it... half wont do it anymore because its illegal, and those that did wanted in excess of £600. ive been warned away from the cheap DPF units because they just arent any good, and steered closer towards salvaging/ cleaning my current DPF and topping up the additive. When your additive gets really low you will get the red PCM light on your dash with error message engine systems fault, just like i have. then you cant do a forced regen of the DPF because there isnt any additive. meh catch 22. im still at a loss with what to do :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted November 11, 2014 Author Share Posted November 11, 2014 In what way are the cheap units 'not any good'? They come with a years warranty and they've been type approved so they can't be that bad lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fto dude Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 hey up bud, sorry i just kinda answered this on the other thread.. im not 100~% sure because i cannot remember verbatim how it was said to me... but from all the garages i rang that gave me advice they did not like these- mainly i think because of the materials the insides are made of.. why are they £600 cheaper than the OEM ones? the precious metals just arent inside... again as i said on the other thread.. im just not brave enough... it takes a member whos brave enough to give it a go, monitor it and report back in a few years when its still going strong and then say hahahaha, i just saved £600 yo! im not trying to warn you off it.. in a way i wish you had done this 2 years ago so you could advise me today that theyre ok and youve not had a problem.. i want them to work.. but i am cautious at this stage! Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted November 11, 2014 Author Share Posted November 11, 2014 That's fair enough Dave. Theres a thin line between bravery and stupidity....you can guess which side I'm on haha. It's not quite a 'stab in the dark' though, if it fails before the warranty runs out I'll get another free or get money back, they wouldn't warranty it if it wasn't likely to work. :) Also I wouldn't have bought one 2 years ago, had a Mk4 Golf TDi then...no DPF on those! However I did break the turbo, DMF, camshaft and hydraulic lifters lol... When the turbo blew it chucked oil through the cat...just bought a decat pipe lol. Back then diesels didn't even have the 'presence of cat' check, only had to pass smoke test! Those were the days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fto dude Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 lovely, keep us posted buddy.. esp if youre fitting it yourself.. do a laymans walkthrough if you can. i know you like making videos for us n00bs lol. let us know the fit, problems fitting, and if it works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted November 11, 2014 Author Share Posted November 11, 2014 Double post fail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted November 11, 2014 Author Share Posted November 11, 2014 Yeah I'll be sure to take pics as I go....helps put things back in the right place lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossF Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Hi mate did you manage to Fix it ?, i Have Same Problem 2010 mk2.5 Zetec s 1.6tdci , runs like crap and fans stay on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkinsj93 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 On 11/11/2014 at 5:02 PM, TomsFocus said: Yeah I'll be sure to take pics as I go....helps put things back in the right place lol! Hi Tom did you get to bottom of this problem mine is doing the same. I've topped up dpf fluid and reset the counter and given it long run up motorway just keeps regenerating and fans are running every time. James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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