Just clocked up about 38,000 miles in My 2019 St-Line 140 which was shod from new with Michelin Pilot Sport 4 Tyres.

The fronts were getting a bit lower than I'd like at about 2.5 mm tread depth so I guess 33,000 miles would have been about the time I should have changed themI was going to change to Michelin Cross climate 2's but I couldn't find anyone with them in stock at short notice and I needed to get some new tyres quickly as I've got a long few trips up to Scotland over the next two months. So I have replaced them with some new Pilot 4's as before (that's plural, not S)

My car has been handling a bit strangely since about 18,000 miles or so, a bit vague at speed on the motorways and a bit twitchy on uneven surfaces with a lot of tramlining.

I've had the alignment loooked at and suspension components checked over for wear/damage but all checked out ok. Also the ride quality was a bit harsher than I remember from new.

Since having the new Pilot 4's on it's much better, a less harsh ride and the vagueness is gone along with the excessive tramlining.

My rears still have about 4.5mm left so I guess they'll need changing in a few months time.

I'm still toying with the idea of getting crossclimate 2's to replace them and stick them on the front and my recently new Pilot 4's on the rear.

Does anyone have any views on wether this will work ok or has  anyone else noticed their handling performance going off on higher mileage Pilot Sport 4's

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't have any experience with the PS4's so can't comment on that aspect I'm afraid. I currently have Cross Climate + on my Merc and they are excellent, can't fault them. I also had them on my Mk5 Mondeo and they were awesome on that compared to the Conti's I took off. I couldn't get them for my focus because they didn't have the correct size, so I used Bridgestone WeatherControl A005S which were directly comparable with the CC's, and a little cheaper. On the wife's previous car, a Captur (don't judge me, I refused to drive it 😂) we had Khumo M+S tyres, they were extremely good, so much so that I am going to put them on the Karok next month, they are for SUV only though. 

Hope some of that helps.

My car is fitted with Michelin Primacy tyres. I have bought Michelin for more than 20 years but these are hard, cracking in the tread and have much less grip than I think they should have. They have not worn well, either. I shall replace all four soon but as yet I don't know which brand I shall choose.

My car also had PS4 from new and I changed the fronts at nearly 40K - absolutely no degradation in performance right to the end.

I don't own a Fiesta or use the PS4 tyres (have PS4S...wished they lasted 38K miles!), but personally I wouldn't want fit just two Cross Climate tyres to the front and move summer tyres to the rear. If you encounter snow then you will still lose control of the rear due to lack of grip. See here for a car with winter tyres only on the front....I know we don't get much snow in the south but we've been caught out plenty of times during the last 10+ years or so. I would suggest replacing all 4 tyres to Cross Climate whenever you decide to do it.

I use winter wheels/tyres and swap them over when the temps get down to a regular 7C or below, then swap back to summer wheels/tyres in the spring. It's a faff but I haven't been caught out yet.

 

19 minutes ago, Frembrit said:

I would suggest replacing all 4 tyres to Cross Climate whenever you decide to do it.

I can't see my PS4s lasting anywhere near 38k (unless the wear rate slows drastically in the last few mm!) so have started looking at the tyre replacement question. 

I've seen a lot of good things about Cross Climates but most of the tyre fitters sites do seem to recommend fitting them all round.

5 hours ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

can't see my PS4s lasting anywhere near 38k

I was a bit disapointed to only get 38,000miles  out of them.

 

I got about 48,000 out of a set of Continental sport contacts about 8 years ago.

Will be interesting in about a years time when I will have done about 18,000 on them, see if this set's performance goes off like the first set did.

Think I'll have to give the Crossclimates a miss this time round as it'll be very pricey to change all four having just paid out for two new Pilot Sports.

 

As for making tyres last longer the obvious things like not spinning the wheels and chucking it so hard into corners that you scrub them badly with understeer etc... I think hard braking is one of the bigger factors. I'm very light on braking and only really use the brakes when I have to. Was noted on my 36,000 mile service that the brake pads were only about 10% worn. I managed over 90,000 miles on my Toyota MR2 on only one set of pads and I only changed those because the discs were starting to corrode, I got a new set of pads with the news discs.

6 hours ago, Frembrit said:

I don't own a Fiesta or use the PS4 tyres (have PS4S...wished they lasted 38K miles!), but personally I wouldn't want fit just two Cross Climate tyres to the front and move summer tyres to the rear. If you encounter snow then you will still lose control of the rear due to lack of grip. See here for a car with winter tyres only on the front....I know we don't get much snow in the south but we've been caught out plenty of times during the last 10+ years or so. I would suggest replacing all 4 tyres to Cross Climate whenever you decide to do it.

That was my concern about mixing them, just wondered if anyone had tried it.

 

The majority of Mondeo Mk5 owners I know only tend to get between 10-20k out of tyres, that thing eats through them!

I got 17K miles out of one pair of (235/40/19, same as MK5's?) PS4S's before replacing them in August 2020 (less than 14K mile on the other pair), I was really happy with that. But, I definitely drive a bit more enthusiastically (though not like my local boy racers) than Blatto.

Used to get 10-12K miles from my old ST24, even my Sierra didn't manage anything more than that.

Was 2C this morning on the way to work, could feel that the PS4S's were not liking the cold. Won't swap to winter tyres yet as I only go to the office once a week these days. All season tyre would have performed better as it was cold and dry. This is something I'm considering when I replace the winter tyres (Continental Winter Contact TS850P in 18") because they don't do so well when we get a warm day like today where it will be about 11-12C in the afternoon for the drive home.

i have cc2 and they are an excellant tyre good grip in all conditions and not noisy i paid 407.41 set of 4 (19545r16) fully fitted after discount and cashback. if you only buy 2 I would fit them to the rear and ware out the summer tyres on the front before replacing them with the same. if you have any questions about the cc2 ask away  

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My missus has a Mk8 St-Line and had PS4’s from new, they felt awful to me and we’ve since replaced them with some Yokohama Advan tyres. Now it feels like a completely different beast. Anecdotal, but i read somewhere that Pilot Sports have a sticky top layer which feel nice and smooth then when it wears off during its life, it then feels harder and noisier. 

23 hours ago, Jonro2009 said:

The majority of Mondeo Mk5 owners I know only tend to get between 10-20k out of tyres, that thing eats through them!

I had a Citroen C4 2 Litre Auto for a while (not a car of choice but it was free) that thing ate through front tyres too, Lucky to get 15000 Miles out of them even driving quite gently.

Think it was just a heavy front wheel drive car that put a lot of load on the fronts. The rears did over 30,000

 

1 hour ago, Buxty said:

My missus has a Mk8 St-Line and had PS4’s from new, they felt awful to me and we’ve since replaced them with some Yokohama Advan tyres. Now it feels like a completely different beast. Anecdotal, but i read somewhere that Pilot Sports have a sticky top layer which feel nice and smooth then when it wears off during its life, it then feels harder and noisier. 

That would certainly tally with my experience, they felt fine when I got the car and the handling was very good, then it slowly deterioated at around 15,000 to 18,000 miles.

Not so much a lack of grip but a harshness with vague steering at speed and twitchy over uneven surfaces. I suspected worn dampers or bushes but they all seemed to check out ok. With the new tyres on the front it feels good again now, will be interesting to see how long it lasts.

 

8 hours ago, cjay1 said:

if you have any questions about the cc2 ask away  

One concern I had was wether they were any noisier than something like the standard fitment Pilot 4's, The tread pattern certainly looks like it could cause some droning but I'm guessing you are suggesting they don't from your comment?

 

12 hours ago, Frembrit said:

But, I definitely drive a bit more enthusiastically (though not like my local boy racers) than Blatto.

I don't drive that slowly, I'll be doing 60+ on the A roads and 70+ on the motorways and generally at a brisk pace. Just economical with the braking 😉

I'll also have what's known as a "Spirited drive" every 😉 now and then, when the conditions and traffic allow.

12 hours ago, Frembrit said:

Was 2C this morning on the way to work, could feel that the PS4S's were not liking the cold.

Yes I noticed that on my Continentals on my previous Fiesta and on the Pilot 4's. Was a noticeable change at 7C or below, that was something I noted and then a few weeks later read about the exact same temperature issues  in a car magazine article.  Was quite suprised to see it was tallying so closely with what I was feeling.

 

The tread would make you think noisy. They have overcome this with "PIANO noise reduction technology" what ever that is. but I can honestly say they are much quieter than continental premiumcontact2 I had fitted before. 

Hm. I ran my son's 1.2 Zetec 2009 car for a month. It's quite relevant though as he had had brand new (budget) tyres fitted when we got it. 35,800 miles from new. 

Shortly after we got it the knocking a the back end made us return it to the dealer who fitted rear shocks. Didn't fix it so I replaced the rear beam bushes which were quite badly worn out.  Back end has bene perfect ever since. We used it mostly around town at slow speed but I took it to work in the UK (we live on the Isle of Man) and did a few 1,000 miles on motorways. over the next couple of months before bringing it home. The higher speeds meant I could tell the front shocks were well past their best, kicking off over bumps and such like, but gradually the handling got worse and worse and it really tram lined and reacted badly to surface changes and nervous just as the OP described. 

On returning home, I lifted the front and took the tyres off to find the inner 1 1/2" of both front tyres down to canvas! in 3,500 miles from new. Clearly loads of toe out which I'd not noticed on the slow driving around town, but there must be more to it than that. So new shocks, new tyres and a pair of lower arms going on right now, and I'll track it up next week before he comes home from Uni and gets it back. 

The Mk7 does indeed not ride happily with uneven tyre wear and can eat those fronts quite quickly if there's a problem.

 

Trying Pirellis this time.

 

No, the rotation front to back seems to be a good idea. Don't know if anybody does it these days but it improved my mk8.

I do it helps to ensure even tyre ware and allows you to replace all 4 tyres at the same time without wasting tread life on 2 of the tyres. 

I've done around 1200-1300 miles on my CrossClimate 2 (40% A road, 40% Motorway, 20% City) as my commute, Fiesta Active 125, 205/45/17 XL 88V. They were 7mm new, and I need to double check in the daylight, but I think they're already down to 6.5mm - 6.7mm, which isn't great wear rate. I'll have to check them after Winter, just in case the increased wear rate occurred during the warm spell we had in October. But bit worried I'll not get 20k miles out of them.