can anyone tell me if the 1.5 petrol engine in the ford tourneo connect 2024 has a wet timing belt ?also if the 2.0 diesel ford tourneo connect has a wet timing belt ?

Hi, this question is not as simple as it should be.

The Mk3 Ford Tourneo Connect is a rebadged VW Caddy using VW engines but Ford brand names.

Both 1.5 petrol (TSI/EcoBoost) and 2.0 diesel (TDI/EcoBlue) use dry timing belts. However the 2.0 TDI also uses a wetbelt for the oil pump.

Hi Tom thanks for ur reply, everywhere i have searched and a car dealer has told me that the petrol 1.5 has a wet belt but the diesel does not ! which is the total opposite of what id been led to believe , I have always known that they are both the same vehicle but rebadged ! so confused ! is there anyway i can check for a definitive answer ?

1 hour ago, mark 123456789 said:

Hi Tom thanks for ur reply, everywhere i have searched and a car dealer has told me that the petrol 1.5 has a wet belt but the diesel does not ! which is the total opposite of what id been led to believe , I have always known that they are both the same vehicle but rebadged ! so confused ! is there anyway i can check for a definitive answer ?

As far as I'm aware none of the 1.5 petrol's has a wet timing belt from either Ford or VW. I don't know where that information is coming from.

The latest FORD 1.5 petrols have a chain for timing but a wetbelt for the oil pump, so maybe that's causing confusion. But these vans use a VW engine anyway so that's irrelevant.

Unfortunately the parts catalogues I can access are a few years out of date and don't show the Mk3 Connect, so I can't provide any hard evidence unfortunately.

You can tell by the lower belt cover. A wetbelt cover needs to be sealed and is usually made of metal. A dry belt cover is unsealed and just made of plastic. (It is not so easy to tell with the top cover).

Thank you, yeh sounds like my wifes 24 plate ford puma 1.0 petrol mhev it has a chain but wet belt for the oil pump too !

The latest Caddy does appear to be shown in the parts catalogues.

1.5 petrol (DPBC)

2.0 diesel (DXRA)

so thats definatley not a wet belt ? in either engine as you previously stated !

12 minutes ago, mark 123456789 said:

so thats definatley not a wet belt ? in either engine as you previously stated !

Correct.

Also looks like the oil pump on 1.5 petrol is direct drive, so no belt or chain for that.

2.0 diesel oil pump has a wetbelt.

You're right about your wife's 1.0 MHEV too, that's very similar to the 1.5 Ford petrol engine. Both have chain cams but wetbelt for oil pump. And 2.0 Ford diesel has 2x wetbelts, one for cams and another for oil pump. So it does get confusing when Ford and VW share engines of the same sizes!

Definately ..... Thanks for your help

1 hour ago, TomsFocus said:

The latest Caddy does appear to be shown in the parts catalogues.

I have an idea I've seen those diagrams before on this or other forums? Certainly think the VW Caddy/Tourneo has been discussed somewhere and the same conclusions reached.

I'd very much thought VW didn't do wet belts, period, so that oil pump drive was a bit of a surprise.

The wet oil pump belt wouldn't seem so bad in itself (on the Ford triples at least) if changing the thing wasn't such a massive job! Have you seen anything about the ease (or otherwise) of changing the VW effort, Tom?

2 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

The wet oil pump belt wouldn't seem so bad in itself (on the Ford triples at least) if changing the thing wasn't such a massive job! Have you seen anything about the ease (or otherwise) of changing the VW effort, Tom?

Yes, it's easy enough to change on the VW's in fairness. There's just one small cover plate with a few bolts once the dry belt has been removed from the crank pulley. (Good visuals on this video clip).

Interestingly the 1.5 TSI petrol now uses a 'lifetime' dry belt (15 years). And Ford are also going with that recommendation. Though there is a caveat suggesting that it should be changed at 75k under harsh conditions.

I think that makes the 1.5 TSI the more desirable choice, as long as that dry belt really can last the recommendation!

36 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

Yes, it's easy enough to change on the VW's in fairness.

Thanks for that, Tom. Certainly looks easier than the Ford effort.

VW can't seem to make their mind up on the dry belt interval. I've mentioned before they seem to have several different recommendations across their brands and markets on the 1.0 triple - ranging from 4/5 years to almost infinity! Very helpful. Trying to figure out what to do with ours - stretched it (no pun intended) to 7 years last time, 5 years ago.

So guys are you saying that the1.5 petrol engine on both vw caddy and ford tourneo connect are both dry timing belts as opposed to the wet belts ?

14 minutes ago, mark 123456789 said:

So guys are you saying that the1.5 petrol engine on both vw caddy and ford tourneo connect are both dry timing belts as opposed to the wet belts ?

Yes.

42 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Thanks for that, Tom. Certainly looks easier than the Ford effort.

VW can't seem to make their mind up on the dry belt interval. I've mentioned before they seem to have several different recommendations across their brands and markets on the 1.0 triple - ranging from 4/5 years to almost infinity! Very helpful. Trying to figure out what to do with ours - stretched it (no pun intended) to 7 years last time, 5 years ago.

The latest 1.5 TSI engine uses a different type of belt material which is why they're saying that one is lifetime. I don't think that will apply to your 1.0 engine though.

The belt on my 2.0 TDI is 9 years old now. Though as you know, it's not being driven. If I ever do sell it I'll recommend that the new owner changed it asap!

7 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

The latest 1.5 TSI engine uses a different type of belt material which is why they're saying that one is lifetime. I don't think that will apply to your 1.0 engine though.

Don't want to hijack the topic! The debate on the 1.0 has been going on a long time though, certainly during the 12 years we've owned the car. Basically VW Germany said the interval is 160k, no time limit. VW UK said 5 years or 60k, other markets/brands (Skoda etc) some other variations!

1 hour ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Don't want to hijack the topic! The debate on the 1.0 has been going on a long time though, certainly during the 12 years we've owned the car. Basically VW Germany said the interval is 160k, no time limit. VW UK said 5 years or 60k, other markets/brands (Skoda etc) some other variations!

Yes, I know. The intervals for older models have changed recently. But I think there's something different and specific to the latest 1.5 TSI as well. That appears to be backed up by the Ford service schedules, which show the 1.5 petrol as lifetime, but the 2.0 TDI as 140k/10 years. Both for the Mk3 Connect, 2022 onwards.

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