1 minute ago, Alex.S said:

Much did you pay for the paint? My blue was £750. I don’t know if different dealers have different prices...

The list price for white was £250. Generally I find Ford paint to be crap. My black Titanium had a million tiny stone nicks, not even full blown chips. It's why I went for white, to hide the imperfections over time. The wife has a mk3.5 in ruby red.....nice colour, but awful paint. Never get pearlescent, so many layers it's a bugger once it gets chipped.

They make you pay for white?     Presumably Race Red is still free?  It's a good ploy by Ford to force everyone into an 'optional' colour!  

Stone chips are annoying on anything though, don't think I've ever had a dark car that wasn't peppered with them.  

Ford paints alright , there’s just not enough of it!! 
 

Each to their own but I couldn’t live with the bright red. Seriously considered the white to free up cash for extras. 

 

I had 2 fiestas early 90s . Paint was same then as now. Any half decent body shop could do better. 

I remember back in the day all the non-metallic paints were free apart from black. Race red is the only free colour now!

Mine is Chrome blue, I bought mine used but it's a £550 option.

2 hours ago, Sprawlsy said:

List price, I can see how adding lots of extras gets you closer to full on ST pricing, but I only had the pack with the camera & the cost of the paint. Once you've negotiated etc. the actual price paid was reasonable, I've seen 12 month old models at the same price point I paid.

An ST is almost fully loaded as standard, I believe paint and the sunroof are the only options. A fully loaded STX is £33k list, an ST is closer to £39k, estate pricing that is.

15 minutes ago, Frowma said:

An ST is almost fully loaded as standard, I believe paint and the sunroof are the only options. A fully loaded STX is £33k list, an ST is closer to £39k, estate pricing that is.

Where’d you get those prices from? Mk4 ST start at just under £30k 

 

At launch, the diesel five-door starts at £29,495, extending to £31,995 for the petrol. The estate version costs £30,595 and £33,095 for the diesel and petrol versions, respectively. Auto prices will be confirmed later this year.

 

*prices for the ST at launch 

I don’t own mine but I’ve seen the paperwork for it...£27k no extras apart from the paint.

ST would’ve been £32k 

 

 

30 minutes ago, Alex.S said:

At launch, the diesel five-door starts at £29,495, extending to £31,995 for the petrol. The estate version costs £30,595 and £33,095 for the diesel and petrol versions, respectively. Auto prices will be confirmed later this year.

Are these the prices for a new 2020/21 ST Line X diesel with no add ons ? 

42 minutes ago, Wino said:

Are these the prices for a new 2020/21 ST Line X diesel with no add ons ? 

ST 
At launch (2018) 

A fully loaded ST Line X 1.5L petrol cost almost the same as an ST, or Vignale 

A fully specced ST Estate is £37655.

Thats a manual petrol with - 

BLIS

Panorama roof

CD Player

Trailer coupling

£800 colour option. 

A fully specced ST hatch is £36505.

As above but with the performance pack added on. 

The only things I can think the ST is missing that isn't an option is Park assist, full leather and door edge protectors. 

 

4 minutes ago, shawty1984 said:

A fully specced ST Estate is £37655.

£4K on it since launch. 
I thought all ST were fully loaded? 

22 minutes ago, Alex.S said:

A fully loaded ST Line X 1.5L petrol cost almost the same as an ST, or Vignale 

A fully specced ST Line X is £33385 but that's a 1.0L Auto 125ps. 

2 minutes ago, shawty1984 said:

A fully specced ST Line X is £33385 but that's a 1.0L Auto 125ps. 

Mine, no extras £27k. All the toys work out at about £5k 

so £32k ..same price as an ST at the time 

4 minutes ago, Alex.S said:

£4K on it since launch. 
I thought all ST were fully loaded? 

No choice of all leather, no choice of park assist and no choice of door edge protectors. 

You can add, CD player, trailer coupling (two options) panorama roof, BLIS and performance pack.

I don’t think its had 4k on it since launch, I've just added every extra plus the highest paint price. 

The roofs about a grand 

5 hours ago, Alex.S said:

Ford paints alright , there’s just not enough of it!! 
 

Each to their own but I couldn’t live with the bright red. Seriously considered the white to free up cash for extras. 

 

I can remember comparing a mate's A3 to my Titanium, despite him doing many more miles per year he had about 4 or 5 chips compared to my bumper looking like the stars in the night sky! It just needs to be thicker/tougher. 

13 hours ago, Sprawlsy said:

I can remember comparing a mate's A3 to my Titanium, despite him doing many more miles per year he had about 4 or 5 chips compared to my bumper looking like the stars in the night sky! It just needs to be thicker/tougher. 

Back in the late 90's I bought a Fiat Bravo HGT, I did a lot of motorway mileage and after only a couple of months the bonnet looked like it had dandruff (was red with white base coat). I complained really loudly to Fiat, they said it was my fault for driving too close to the cars in front and there was nothing wrong with the paint. I had an independent check done by the AA and they said the paint was of the correct thickness. The AA guy said cars with a wedgy / sloping bonnet were more prone to chips than cars with a flatter fronted bonnet and there wasn't anything I could do. At the time protective coatings weren't around so I had to suck it up. I used a lot of the coloured wax on the front of that car 🙄

14 hours ago, shawty1984 said:

No choice of all leather, no choice of park assist and no choice of door edge protectors. 

You can add, CD player, trailer coupling (two options) panorama roof, BLIS and performance pack.

I don’t think its had 4k on it since launch, I've just added every extra plus the highest paint price. 

Performance pack is only available on the manual and only the hatch, not auto, diesel or estate, it's a £250 option.

Here are the base prices for an ST with zero options.

Petrol / Manual

£33,260 for the Hatch, £34,660 for the Estate.

Petrol / Auto

£34,710, Hatch, £36,110 for the Estate.

Diesel/ Manual

£30,575, Hatch, £31,875, Estate

BLIS is 400

Sunroof is £995

CD player is £200 😱

Tow bar is £250 for the wiring and £600 if you actually want the tow bar as well!

Paint is £250, £550, £700 or £800 depending which one you chose, the estate paint is the same price as the hatch.

I've never bought a brand new car so don't know if anyone actually pays catalogue price, either for the base car or options?  It probably gets lost in the conversion to PCP monthly payments so hard to keep track of anyway.  I ask because when I was looking to buy nearly new many of the adverts I saw referred to the full new price to show how much you were saving as a marketing ploy.  I ended up getting a 9 month old Mk estate which shows as just over £30k new including options and I paid just over £16k, so in theory its nearly half new price but looks less good if the dealer would have let me negotiate £5k off the price of a new one anyway.  The advantage is that I got a nearly new car with lots of options for a good price without having to wait months for delivery.  The downside is that I had to compromise on some options based on availability and had to travel quite far to get it.  I really like the car though so happy all around so far.

17 minutes ago, south_bound said:

I've never bought a brand new car so don't know if anyone actually pays catalogue price, either for the base car or options?  It probably gets lost in the conversion to PCP monthly payments so hard to keep track of anyway.  I ask because when I was looking to buy nearly new many of the adverts I saw referred to the full new price to show how much you were saving as a marketing ploy.  I ended up getting a 9 month old Mk estate which shows as just over £30k new including options and I paid just over £16k, so in theory its nearly half new price but looks less good if the dealer would have let me negotiate £5k off the price of a new one anyway.  The advantage is that I got a nearly new car with lots of options for a good price without having to wait months for delivery.  The downside is that I had to compromise on some options based on availability and had to travel quite far to get it.  I really like the car though so happy all around so far.

I've bought new cars back in the late 80s and 90s, if you're financing then you used to get around 15% off the list (including options). No idea about now.

I was initially looking for a 2018 MK3.5 ST Estate but boy are they rare in a colour that isn't shiny grey primer so I did the same as you, I looked at how much a new STX (I knew I couldn't afford a new ST) would be via a broker, the quotes I was getting (from nationwide cars, drive the deal etc) for a fully loaded STX were around the £27k mark which was more than I wanted to pay (I'd budgeted £20k for the MK3.5 ST). The list as we've seen is closer to £32k so a decent discount on new.

In the end my 11 month old fully loaded STX came in at £21.5k, only 3100 on the clock. Even though it was more than I wanted to pay I'm happy with what I've got. Yours at £16k is a veritable bargain.

The Ford Direct cars are pretty good value if you aren't that fussed about being the first owner of a car, they've got some that have less than 1000 miles on the clock!

That new car smell disappears pretty quickly so I'm not bothered that someone else has driven the car a few months before me.  It wanted the 2 ltr diesel engine which is getting to be quite rare as the the government is out bad-mouthing diesel right now, but being a German spec where they like their bigger engines there were plenty to chose from.  The options packages are different from the UK but having the equivalent of the Zetec trim with added comfort pack, design pack, winter pack gave me all the goodies I wanted to bring it up to STX spec plus B&O sound, foldable towbar, wheel upgrade and the magic ingredient of performance blue won me over (joking about the paint job, any colour except white would had done me).

40 minutes ago, Frowma said:

I've bought new cars back in the late 80s and 90s, if you're financing then you used to get around 15% off the list (including options). No idea about now.

I was initially looking for a 2018 MK3.5 ST Estate but boy are they rare in a colour that isn't shiny grey primer so I did the same as you, I looked at how much a new STX (I knew I couldn't afford a new ST) would be via a broker, the quotes I was getting (from nationwide cars, drive the deal etc) for a fully loaded STX were around the £27k mark which was more than I wanted to pay (I'd budgeted £20k for the MK3.5 ST). The list as we've seen is closer to £32k so a decent discount on new.

In the end my 11 month old fully loaded STX came in at £21.5k, only 3100 on the clock. Even though it was more than I wanted to pay I'm happy with what I've got. Yours at £16k is a veritable bargain.

The Ford Direct cars are pretty good value if you aren't that fussed about being the first owner of a car, they've got some that have less than 1000 miles on the clock!

Mines a lease car. I don’t know what kind of deal they have with the dealerships but the car gets bought at full price. In my case £27k STX no extras. With the internet these days the salesman know it’s a few grand off the list price straight away before negotiating extras. Best deals I’ve heard of are like the above , nearly new fully loaded. Everyone has their own circumstances . Could probably negotiate online these days.