1982 Granada 2.1Diesel exhaust manifold

[Bluewing]

Been searching all the local retailers for an exhaust manifold. I can find stuff for Capris and V6's really easily but nothing for my humble 2.1D. Any one have any ideas? don't need to be genuine parts or used parts, I'd even go for pattern parts, just need to keep the car in good health.

[Eric Bloodaxe]

I believe the 2.1D is a Peugeot engine? Might be worth having a look at breakers etc for Peugeot bits?

[st line x 140 driver]

What's wrong with your existing manifold? Cant you get an exhaust company to custom make one. Give you more power as well.

[Bluewing]

The existing one looks like someone sheared off a bolt in the clamp between the downpipe and manifold so the downpipe is not aligned and is blowing diesel fumes into the engine bay thus into the cabin

 

I got a custom build manifold back for 2 grand but on an engine I only intend to keep for a year or two tops before swapping out for a cosworth or v8, it feels a bit silly to spend that kind of cash. Saying that I'm about to drop a thousand on getting a full service and getting the paint touched up and sealed to prevent any further rust 😄 

[TomsFocus]

Did someone mention Peugeot?   

They were still using the 2.1 TD in the late 90's but I didn't know there was a non-turbo version.  I'm not even sure you'll find one at a breakers yard now and I'd be very surprised if there enough demand to make aftermarket replicas.

If the mani isn't cracked, can't the bolt be drilled out?  Even heli-coiled at worst case scenario?

[Bluewing]

Possibly? I wouldn't know how to do that 😄 Also yeah, I think I got the ugly duckling of Granada engines, the dealer also had a V6 ghia but in far worse condition(holes in the body, wouldn't run for long, no brakes), this was the only Granada of his 3 that passed MoT so we could drive it home.

 

I've been searching for pattern parts and making enquiries all over the place, the garage it's going to for service have managed to get fuel filter, oil filter, brake parts no issue but even they've come up blank on anything beyond the center section of the exhaust. 

[Eric Bloodaxe]

12 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

They were still using the 2.1 TD in the late 90's 

Lack your expertise with Pugs, Tom, but don't know if the that's the same one used in the Granada or a version of the XUD series? Anyway, I think (all a long time ago now) the non-turbo in the Granada was similar to that used in the Peugeot 504 about that time. The early Sierra diesel got a 2.3 version, still non-turbo, before going over to the 1.8 (Lynx?) turbo.

I recalled there was a old Peugeot parts specialist somewhere I used to drive past regularly, looks like it's still going:

http://www.peugeotparts.co.uk

Might be worth a call?

[TomsFocus]

28 minutes ago, Bluewing said:

Possibly? I wouldn't know how to do that 😄 Also yeah, I think I got the ugly duckling of Granada engines, the dealer also had a V6 ghia but in far worse condition(holes in the body, wouldn't run for long, no brakes), this was the only Granada of his 3 that passed MoT so we could drive it home.

We'd really need to know exactly what's happened to it.  If there's a bolt snapped in there, you can use a thinner drill bit to drill a hole in the centre.  Then use an easy-out and reverse the drill to try and unscrew it.  If that fails, you can drill out a larger hole than the original, tap a thread into it and then use a heli-coil which is like a blank that screws into the large hole, and can then be tapped back to the original sized hole ready for a new standard bolt to be fitted.  Sounds like a faff but it costs very little in parts and probably only an hours labour including removing & refitting the mani.  

If it's cracked or warped though, it's game over as cast iron is a pain to repair.

Do you know any of the Cornish DERV mafia out of interest?  Darren Lobb etc? 

[Bluewing]

I don't, I've been out of the social scene for years due to depression, only starting to make contacts now. I just grabbed some extra photos of the issue. If I can make the car run for another year or two I should be in a good position to put in a more popular engine like a cosworth or a crate motor of some kind. Hopefully within the next 6 months I'll also be moving to a place with a drive way, any heavy work has to be taken to my parents as street side parking aint a good place to be taking apart your car 😄 

[Bluewing]

24 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Lack your expertise with Pugs, Tom, but don't know if the that's the same one used in the Granada or a version of the XUD series? Anyway, I think (all a long time ago now) the non-turbo in the Granada was similar to that used in the Peugeot 504 about that time. The early Sierra diesel got a 2.3 version, still non-turbo, before going over to the 1.8 (Lynx?) turbo.

I recalled there was a old Peugeot parts specialist somewhere I used to drive past regularly, looks like it's still going:

http://www.peugeotparts.co.uk

Might be worth a call?

Just got in touch with them waiting to hear back if they have compatible parts, this could be the exact thing I need 😄  Thank you

 

[TomsFocus]

21 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Lack your expertise with Pugs, Tom, but don't know if the that's the same one used in the Granada or a version of the XUD series? Anyway, I think (all a long time ago now) the non-turbo in the Granada was similar to that used in the Peugeot 504 about that time. The early Sierra diesel got a 2.3 version, still non-turbo, before going over to the 1.8 (Lynx?) turbo.

I recalled there was a old Peugeot parts specialist somewhere I used to drive past regularly, looks like it's still going:

http://www.peugeotparts.co.uk

Might be worth a call?

My expertise is only newer Pugs tbf, late 80s onwards, 82 is a bit early for me!  There was an NA XUD11 but it seems to only have been fitted to the XM & 605 from 1989...  I suspect it was derived from whatever this engine might be but yes, not the one I was originally thinking of.  I didn't realise there was so much diesel choice back in the day, my Dad has never owned a diesel, nor either of my Grandads...  In fact, my Grandad had a huge Volvo estate for doing fayres, which was powered by a 1.6 petrol engine, seems mad looking back!    Someone must have been buying them back then though!

[TomsFocus]

5 minutes ago, Bluewing said:

I don't, I've been out of the social scene for years due to depression, only starting to make contacts now. I just grabbed some extra photos of the issue. If I can make the car run for another year or two I should be in a good position to put in a more popular engine like a cosworth or a crate motor of some kind. Hopefully within the next 6 months I'll also be moving to a place with a drive way, any heavy work has to be taken to my parents as street side parking aint a good place to be taking apart your car 😄 

Those manifold fixings are usually studs and nuts rather than bolts.  If it's a snapped stud with enough still poking out, that can be a bit easier to remove by heating up the surrounding area with a blowtorch and then using mole grips or stud extractors to remove.  Obviously easiest if you can just swap the manifold but if not, I think there will be repair options.  It'll need removing to see exactly what the issues are though.

Obviously Cornwall is a big place but if you can get in touch with Darren Lobb or some of the others they'll have the contacts for these sort of repairs...and know how to tune mechanical pumps for a bit more pace...   How much BHP do these have as standard out of interest? 

 

[Bluewing]

67HP I believe. She's no hill climber.. or motorway driver.. Or really good for anything other than taxying around the local area but I do have ambitions of an engine swap. Darren Lobb you say? I'll need contacts of people with engine crane, ramp and the willingness to absorb money and put engines in cars that weren't meant to have them.

Also that pugeot parts dealer, thank you so much for that recommendation, just ordered exhaust manifold, studs, gaskets!

[TomsFocus]

1 minute ago, Bluewing said:

67HP I believe. She's no hill climber.. or motorway driver.. Or really good for anything other than taxying around the local area but I do have ambitions of an engine swap. Darren Lobb you say? I'll need contacts of people with engine crane, ramp and the willingness to absorb money and put engines in cars that weren't meant to have them.

Also that pugeot parts dealer, thank you so much for that recommendation, just ordered exhaust manifold, studs, gaskets!

Wow haha, I was expecting around 85bhp...that's impressively low for 2.1 litres!  

Here's a link to Darrens YouTube channel - https://www.youtube.com/c/DarrenLobb/videos

Excellent news about the Peugeot Parts place!  

[Eric Bloodaxe]

36 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

My expertise is only newer Pugs tbf, late 80s onwards, 82 is a bit early for me!  There was an NA XUD11 but it seems to only have been fitted to the XM & 605 from 1989...  I suspect it was derived from whatever this engine might be but yes, not the one I was originally thinking of.  I didn't realise there was so much diesel choice back in the day, my Dad has never owned a diesel, nor either of my Grandads...  In fact, my Grandad had a huge Volvo estate for doing fayres, which was powered by a 1.6 petrol engine, seems mad looking back!    Someone must have been buying them back then though!

Yes, things really only started kicking off in the 80's on the diesel front. When I first got involved with buying fleet vehicles even things like Land Rovers were usually petrol. That n/a Peugeot was quite popular at the time (not necessarily with drivers!) but the advent of the Peugeot XUD turbodiesels and the VW equivalent, which morphed into the direct injection HDi  and TDi respectively, really stimulated the market and soon everyone was getting in on the act. Seems ironic now that it was greatly stimulated by Government policy (did I hear on the news that the petrol/diesel ban is to be brought forward to 2030?)😃

[Bluewing]

18 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Yes, things really only started kicking off in the 80's on the diesel front. When I first got involved with buying fleet vehicles even things like Land Rovers were usually petrol. That n/a Peugeot was quite popular at the time (not necessarily with drivers!) but the advent of the Peugeot XUD turbodiesels and the VW equivalent, which morphed into the direct injection HDi  and TDi respectively, really stimulated the market and soon everyone was getting in on the act. Seems ironic now that it was greatly stimulated by Government policy (did I hear on the news that the petrol/diesel ban is to be brought forward to 2030?)😃

I tend to try avoid discussion of politics unless I'm in such a place to discuss it but I wouldn't count on a combustion ban sticking for long if it even happens in the first place.

[Eric Bloodaxe]

1 hour ago, Bluewing said:

I tend to try avoid discussion of politics unless I'm in such a place to discuss it but I wouldn't count on a combustion ban sticking for long if it even happens in the first place.

Lol, yes generally we try and avoid direct political discussion on here but as political decisions affect all aspects of our lives (including what we drive) you can't really avoid it to some extent. In this particular instance they all seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet anyway. I think the crucial factor will be that if the EU make their ban stick then we'll have to follow suit as there won't be any i/c engined cars being produced for us to buy anyway.

Either way it would be good to have some clarity so I can accurately plan when to get my last gas guzzler!😃

[Bluewing]

Unless we didn't have to depend on and comply 🤷‍♂️ not to mention synthetic fuels, bio fuels, closed loop geological systems, sequestration and recovery but yeah.. I'll gladly have that conversation, just rather in private cause it usually gets spicy. 😄 

[Bluewing]

Manifold arrived today! service is on Friday, will send pics when the exhaust is back together and also hopefully my power steering has stopped gushing everywhere.

[Bluewing]

Manifold is now fitted and service inspection revealed that whoever had it before me fit the wrong centre section and just botched it in place, the studs also snapped off in the block during repair, they were able to fix it.. I'd take photos but it's hammering down with rain at the moment. 

News from the service is that:

Power steering rack is leaking badly, hunting for spares now, also contemplating removal of PAS entirely.

Engine has minor leaks but I intend to replace the engine within 2 years anyway.

Driveshaft doughnut is deteriorating.

There's no dipped, high, spot or fog light power on the left side.

Reverse light switch melted onto exhaust.

On the positives, there's no holes, no structural concerns, only minor rust, brakes and running gear give no cause for concern, if the lights were fixed it'd likely just sail through an MoT (though it currently has full Mot :D)

[Bluewing]

An update on this Granada, after getting the exhaust done and getting it on the road for a good few months, winter claimed the headgasket despite it being chock full of anti freeze. Naturally, I decided on a new engine.

The original 2.1D still runs perfectly fine, it wasn't over heated or seized and has been taken out of the car so if anyone wants that engine, I do have it up for sale now.

Now we're starting all over again and are going to need to figure out a lot of things because we're going with a 3.9L Rover V8 mated up to a 5 speed manual. The engine is currently being sized up for fitting and cutting of this otherwise very tidy body starts soon.