Just a bit of a question,I have noticed(and this is on past experiences) the oil seems to go very dark very quickly in these engines.(1 litre)I picked mine up on Friday(15/10/21) the vehicle had an oil change in August.I use to own a Ford Falcon Ecoboost they had the 2.litre Mondeo engine in them,they put out more power though,around the 180kw mark.I use to notice also the oil use to go very dark very quickly in this engine as well.Has anybody noticed this characteristic in this particular engine?Is it because of it having a turbo?🦘🦘🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🚗 

Yes, the oil works hard in the little Ecoboost I changed mine a little early and it not only looked well used but smelt it as well despite the oil life reader declaring 24%. I shall be amending my schedule to 12,000 miles next time as I suspect that it is not good for the cam belt.

I seem to be disagreeing with everyone these days in recent posts.

I'm doing about 20,000 miles a year in My Fiesta ST-Line 140 and I think the oil stays a light straw colour for most of that mileage. Starts to go a bit darker and brown at around 15,000 miles for me but much less so than other cars I've owned in the past.

Are you sure they are using the correct grade of oil in the oilchange?

Could also be down to driving conditions and the way you drive I suppose.

I'm doing most motorway journeys at 70mph (ish) and very rarely do a journey of less than 10 miles.

 

I'd have to agree that at 15,000 the oil looked clean and clear but at 17,000 it looked dark and grotty. Normal driving conditions until then at which point a busy few days put 1500 miles on it, not a few at 100MPH plus in Europe where permitted, of course. That certainly worked the oil but the life monitor gave it a clean bill of health and there is nothing wrong with the viscosity of the drained oil. As for the wrong oil grade being used, this would have gone in in the factory. 

4 hours ago, Blatto said:

I seem to be disagreeing with everyone these days in recent posts.

I'm doing about 20,000 miles a year in My Fiesta ST-Line 140 and I think the oil stays a light straw colour for most of that mileage. Starts to go a bit darker and brown at around 15,000 miles for me but much less so than other cars I've owned in the past.

Are you sure they are using the correct grade of oil in the oilchange?

Could also be down to driving conditions and the way you drive I suppose.

I'm doing most motorway journeys at 70mph (ish) and very rarely do a journey of less than 10 miles.

 

Correct grade of oil has been used.As I alluded to in my previous post,I previously owned a Ford Falcon Ecoboost,it had two oil changes in one year,always went dark very quickly.(This was serviced @ the local Ford dealer,& one independent,who I supplied the oil to.)Apparently this is not uncommon.I always service my vehicles around the 10,000km(6,000miles) mark.

doing mostly short trips ? not giving the engine the chance to heat up properly ?

Certainly I mix my motoring with both long and short trips but the majority are very short. Reviewing the stories of cam belt and oil pump problems, I think I shall change my oil at annual intervals  which is currently about 6000 miles as the oil breaks down and forms sludge if it isn't warmed through often enough .

10 hours ago, Eng_Ahmad1986 said:

doing mostly short trips ? not giving the engine the chance to heat up properly ?

No,that has nothing to do with it.This is also a very common issue with the Ford Ranger.Do an oil change,few hours later,it is a dark colour.It does not mean the oil is not doing its job.It also gets darker,because of the heat cycles in the engine,soot build up,oil also holds a lot of contaminates,which means it is doing its job.So,all in all nothing to worry about.🦘🦘🦘🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

2 hours ago, anon said:

Certainly I mix my motoring with both long and short trips but the majority are very short. Reviewing the stories of cam belt and oil pump problems, I think I shall change my oil at annual intervals  which is currently about 6000 miles as the oil breaks down and forms sludge if it isn't warmed through often enough .

Oil is cheap,major mechanical issues are not.🦘🦘🦘🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺👍👍👍

On 10/19/2021 at 9:50 AM, Hackney said:

No,that has nothing to do with it.This is also a very common issue with the Ford Ranger.Do an oil change,few hours later,it is a dark colour.It does not mean the oil is not doing its job.It also gets darker,because of the heat cycles in the engine,soot build up,oil also holds a lot of contaminates,which means it is doing its job.So,all in all nothing to worry about.🦘🦘🦘🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

I agree to this specially with those new full synthetic oils they get darker pretty quick and its part of their nature indicating that they are doing their job, but what I'm referring to is how much dark ? because short trips results in too much petrol in oil which can make it " very dark " much quicker 🙂 

any way short trips is not healthy for that engine for various reasons, it helps increase carbon buildup, it reduces fuel economy and shorten the engine oil's life and increase its acidity, not good for any engine, worse for direct injected engines, much worse for Ecoboost in particular 😄 

I think there needs to be a secondary service schedule at 48,000. Sump off, clean out oil pump strainer and evaluate belt condition based on what you find in there  then remove the inlet manifold and clean the carbon out.. a way needs to be found to replace the belt without recourse to a very expensive tool that will only be used once. 

51 minutes ago, anon said:

I think there needs to be a secondary service schedule at 48,000. Sump off, clean out oil pump strainer and evaluate belt condition based on what you find in there  then remove the inlet manifold and clean the carbon out.. a way needs to be found to replace the belt without recourse to a very expensive tool that will only be used once. Your kidding right?Who could be bothered?Not many(if any i suspect)‘Evaluate’ belt condition?If all is well,what a waste of money & time.There is no other way to replace the belt(fact).It is designed to be removed that way,as complex as it is.Ford should have put a lot more thought into the execution of the design,& put a chain in.(Why they never did is beyond me.)Most vehicles these days have chains.Toyota did away with belts on the Corolla,Mazda’s 2 has a chain,never needs to be replaced.Nissans Qashqai has no belt.I sure as hell would not be going down the path that you suggested,just get the thing replaced @ the recommended interval.If it blows the motor,ditch the car.

Some of us can do more than polish a car.

28 minutes ago, anon said:

Some of us can do more than polish a car.

As I can.Quite frankly,I doubt anyone would go down the path that you are suggesting.

Why would you scrap a car if the engine fails.? Why let it fail if it can be avoided?

10 hours ago, anon said:

Why would you scrap a car if the engine fails.? Why let it fail if it can be avoided?

If it fails(& they have been known to,well before recommended replacement)cars that are not worth that much,it is just not economical to source a new engine.I would certainly not worry about sourcing a new engine,second hand they are between $1,000 & $2,000,not worth touching.A new ‘crate’ engine would be well north of $5,000,very uneconomical putting into a car with a market value of around 9-10k.

On your planet chum,  maybe. We don't throw useful cars away, they are far too expensive and we, far too resourceful. It is only an engine, and it can be reconditioned comparatively cheaply. A crank regrind is about as bad as it will get and the torque multiplier I'd make out of motorbike bits. Not elegant but not £500 either. I would expect to get 15 years' use out of this one and that might mean at least one engine rebuild.  I'll just buy a cheap blown one and rebuild that in readiness.  After all, it won't take up much space and there isn't much of it, being a 3 pot. 

4 hours ago, anon said:

On your planet chum,  maybe. We don't throw useful cars away, they are far too expensive and we, far too resourceful. It is only an engine, and it can be reconditioned comparatively cheaply. A crank regrind is about as bad as it will get and the torque multiplier I'd make out of motorbike bits. Not elegant but not £500 either. I would expect to get 15 years' use out of this one and that might mean at least one engine rebuild.  I'll just buy a cheap blown one and rebuild that in readiness.  After all, it won't take up much space and there isn't much of it, being a 3 pot. 

Nobody rebuilds engines here,certainly not these. V8s & Sixes,yes,but not those.Not worth the time & effort.At the end of its useful life,I will just purchase another one.Not only,you also have a lot more of the 1.0 Ecoboosts in the UK,they were not that popular here.One reason Ford pulled them from the market.ST is the only variant currently on offer.Everyone buy’s Corolla,Hyundai,Mazda & Kia,Toyota especially,it’s all about brand perception & reliability,Toyota has this in spades,Ford is bit of a toxic brand here.The only vehicle that sells really well is the Ranger(currently #1 in the market place,followed by Hi-Lux)Ranger was developed & engineered here by Ford Australia.Corolla is ultra reliable,majority of buyers would not go near a Fiesta.Corolla also commands high resale value,Fiesta? No.

here in Egypt the dealer changes the timing belt and the oil pump belt at the 140k km service ( 87500 miles ), and its a part of scheduled maintenance, besides that the dealer changes engine oil and filter every 6k miles , all of this is done to avoid sudden belt failure.

Hot and dusty climate. Seems sensible. I live in France and the UK but I will be doing the same.

18 minutes ago, Eng_Ahmad1986 said:

here in Egypt the dealer changes the timing belt and the oil pump belt at the 140k km service ( 87500 miles ), and its a part of scheduled maintenance, besides that the dealer changes engine oil and filter every 6k miles , all of this is done to avoid sudden belt failure.

Absolutely,I change mine @ half the recommended interval(oil).👍🇦🇺🦘🦘

Just thought I would check my oil colour,it was changed about two weeks ago,I use a ‘Ryco ‘syntec’ (available in Australia only,but I should imagine who every you purchase off they would ship worldwide)long life oil filter(15,000kms) so they say,it has better filtration qualities(apparently) oil is not as discoloured as I thought it would be,in fact it has just changed a very small amount.My previous experience with a 2.litre Ecoboost is that it use to go a very,very dark brown almost instantly.

1 minute ago, Hackney said:

Just thought I would check my oil colour,it was changed about two weeks ago,I use a ‘Ryco ‘syntec’ (available in Australia only,but I should imagine who every you purchase off they would ship worldwide)long life oil filter(15,000kms) so they say,it has better filtration qualities(apparently) oil is not as discoloured as I thought it would be,in fact it has just changed a very small amount.My previous experience with a 2.litre Ecoboost is that it use to go a very,very dark brown almost instantly.

here the dealer uses the Ford Motorcraft engine oil made specifically for the 1.0l ecoboost , shipped to Egypt from Ford USA.

specs : 5w20 with Ford specifications WSS-M2C-960A1 ( the specs ford uses for the 1.0 Ecoboost in the USA )

No ta. I shall stick to Ford branded Castrol and a Ford branded filter which, incidentally is made to run 28,000 Km. I shall change it at 10,000

2 hours ago, Eng_Ahmad1986 said:

here the dealer uses the Ford Motorcraft engine oil made specifically for the 1.0l ecoboost , shipped to Egypt from Ford USA.

specs : 5w20 with Ford specifications WSS-M2C-960A1 ( the specs ford uses for the 1.0 Ecoboost in the USA )

Mine has 5w-30 in it currently,well within Ford specifications.