2 hours ago, anon said:

No ta. I shall stick to Ford branded Castrol and a Ford branded filter which, incidentally is made to run 28,000 Km. I shall change it at 10,000

You can use any well known branded oil,as long as it meets Ford specification.No filter should ever go past 15,000kms,no matter how good it is supposed to be.Changing your oil @ 10,000km intervals is sensible.As I keep saying,oil & filters are cheap.

The Ford specification is specifically for the belt in oil Ecoboost. Viscosity alone is not an adequate spec for the 3 pot. In our climate, Ford change the filter at 28000Km. I expect they know how their design is supposed to work and the vast majority of modern cars have service intervals around the 19000 Km mark so your assertion is out of date. Synthetic lubricant, much tighter build tolerances and improvements in forth fuel and thermal management have vastly increased engine life over the last 20 years. One reason why it is no longer necessary to have a three litre six in order to build a car that lasts.

1 hour ago, anon said:

The Ford specification is specifically for the belt in oil Ecoboost. Viscosity alone is not an adequate spec for the 3 pot. In our climate, Ford change the filter at 28000Km. I expect they know how their design is supposed to work and the vast majority of modern cars have service intervals around the 19000 Km mark so your assertion is out of date. Synthetic lubricant, much tighter build tolerances and improvements in forth fuel and thermal management have vastly increased engine life over the last 20 years. One reason why it is no longer necessary to have a three litre six in order to build a car that lasts.

Have to disagree on that point re service,in the handbook supplied with the vehicle it is every 15,000kms,28,000 is far,far to long(would hate see the inside of that filter @ that kms).If that is the case,you are contradicting your self saying you change @ 10,000.How does that work?You obviously do not agree with the servicing schedule.I understand why the oil is @ that spec,that is obvious,in fact the majority of these engines are around the 5w-20 & 5w-30 mark,this includes the vast majority of Japanese engines,especially with multi valve engines,certainly not new.It does not matter which brand you choose as long it is the right spec.As far as ‘it is no longer necessary’ to build a 3litre six or a 4 litre I might add,in order to build a car that lasts,is actually not entirely correct,most of our homegrown Holden Commodores & Ford Falcons could easily achieve 500,000kms & upwards,highly unlikely a Ecoboost 1.0 will ever achieve that kind of mileage.I would put more faith in a Japanese engine,Toyota,Honda(especially) that are exceptionally reliable & very easily achieve very big mileages.Would hate see the condition of the oil @ 28,000kms,sorry that does not sit very well  with me @ all.

As I said, in our climate. As the manufacturer says, 28000 Km.

I choose to change oil early because I usually drive short distances. I  drive on some of the few remaining unrestricted roads in Germany three or four times a year as well and will expect to travel fast over long distances. My other house in France is in a dusty rural location.  I work the oil hard.

Under these conditions of use Ford recommend more frequent oil changes.

Ford have been making motorcars for 120 years. I'll take their science over your prejudices, thanks.

160,000Km is a first cam belt interval for the Ecoboost. I expect it is entirely likely that the engine is good for three times that. Cars are not scrapped for failed engines these days. They are scrapped because when they are ten years old they cost so much to put through an MOT that it is no longer economically viable to keep them going. A well looked after car survives that but many viable cars are disposed of simply because they are old!

The next economic crash will change that. People will begin to look after them again which is pretty well the purpose of this forum.

10 hours ago, anon said:

As I said, in our climate. As the manufacturer says, 28000 Km.

I choose to change oil early because I usually drive short distances. I  drive on some of the few remaining unrestricted roads in Germany three or four times a year as well and will expect to travel fast over long distances. My other house in France is in a dusty rural location.  I work the oil hard.

Under these conditions of use Ford recommend more frequent oil changes.

Ford have been making motorcars for 120 years. I'll take their science over your prejudices, thanks.

160,000Km is a first cam belt interval for the Ecoboost. I expect it is entirely likely that the engine is good for three times that. Cars are not scrapped for failed engines these days. They are scrapped because when they are ten years old they cost so much to put through an MOT that it is no longer economically viable to keep them going. A well looked after car survives that but many viable cars are disposed of simply because they are old!

The next economic crash will change that. People will begin to look after them again which is pretty well the purpose of this forum.

Time will tell on the durability & longevity of the engine.They are a highly stressed engine,they work pretty hard.A lot of these belts have failed(as you well know).They have not got the best reputation.Prejudices?No,just experience.I always change before recommended intervals,whether high or low mileage,on all my vehicles,usually twice a year,or sooner if required.Cars are not meant to last(fact).People generally turn them over between 3-5 years.As far as not keeping them,because they are not ‘economically’ viable is rubbish,still a lot of older cars in this country,registration & inspection has nothing to do with it.Parts are pretty freely available for older vehicles.

4 minutes ago, Hackney said:

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Double post(error).

Put a sock in it Ron. You're here for conflict and I'm here to help.

You: 26th October.

"If it fails(& they have been known to,well before recommended replacement)cars that are not worth that much,it is just not economical to source a new engine.I would certainly not worry about sourcing a new engine,second hand they are between $1,000 & $2,000,not worth touching.A new ‘crate’ engine would be well north of $5,000,very uneconomical putting into a car with a market value of around 9-10k."

11 minutes ago, anon said:

Put a sock in it Ron. You're here for conflict and I'm here to help.

You: 26th October.

"If it fails(& they have been known to,well before recommended replacement)cars that are not worth that much,it is just not economical to source a new engine.I would certainly not worry about sourcing a new engine,second hand they are between $1,000 & $2,000,not worth touching.A new ‘crate’ engine would be well north of $5,000,very uneconomical putting into a car with a market value of around 9-10k."

How are you helping?You are debating a point,with a different point of view,which I don’t happen to subscribe to.As far as the first cam belt replacement @ 160,000kms,actually no,it clearly states 240,000kms OR 10 years.I highly doubt the belt would go that distance(fact)none that I am aware of,even 160,000kms is pretty high,but,time will tell,many have failed well before that time frame(fact yet again).The cam belt is undoubtedly the weak part of the engine(Achilles heel?).As far as you saying my saying my servicing ‘assertion’ of 19,000kms(really odd mileage by the way).Most manufactures of vehicles these days are around the 15,000km mark(fact).It use to be around the 10,000km mark,but with advant of modern synthetic oils it is longer.

allow me to throw my 2 cents 🙂 

I don't see any reason why a 1.0 ecoboost wouldn't last for a high mileage , all sorts of ecoboost failures I've seen till now are for a cracked timing belt or a failed oil pump due to debris from the belt, I mean there are no failed cylinder walls or piston rings due to wear and mileage, which suggests that these engine are durable.

For the belt issue, as I mentioned before, the Dealer here in Egypt changes the belt every 140k km, and changes the oil and filter every 10k km ( this schedule is according to ford specs for Egypt), and that was enough to take care of the belt issue, timing belt failure cases here in Egypt are very rare and mostly happen due to lack of service , and here in Egypt now we have 1.0 Ecoboosts that have gone beyond the 250k km mileage and still strong and going without issues.

and now before anybody begin digging in my old posts here , yes I had an engine replacement at 25k km but that was due to a manufacturing defect , piston rings of cylinder no. 1 were incorrectly installed from factory, very rare and very bad luck 🙂 

just my opinion 🙂 after all this is what the forum was created for, to exchange ideas and help each other 🙂 

My deep respect to both of you 🙂 

 

I mean there are no failed cylinder walls or piston rings due to wear and mileage

That does seem to be true.

Just the small point of sudden overheating and total loss of coolant causing major damage.

 

allow me to throw my 2 cents 🙂 

I don't see any reason why a 1.0 ecoboost wouldn't last for a high mileage , all sorts of ecoboost failures I've seen till now are for a cracked timing belt or a failed oil pump due to debris from the belt, I mean there are no failed cylinder walls or piston rings due to wear and mileage, which suggests that these engine are durable.

For the belt issue, as I mentioned before, the Dealer here in Egypt changes the belt every 140k km, and changes the oil and filter every 10k km ( this schedule is according to ford specs for Egypt), and that was enough to take care of the belt issue, timing belt failure cases here in Egypt are very rare and mostly happen due to lack of service , and here in Egypt now we have 1.0 Ecoboosts that have gone beyond the 250k km mileage and still strong and going without issues.

and now before anybody begin digging in my old posts here , yes I had an engine replacement at 25k km but that was due to a manufacturing defect , piston rings of cylinder no. 1 were incorrectly installed from factory, very rare and very bad luck 🙂 

just my opinion 🙂 after all this is what the forum was created for, to exchange ideas and help each other 🙂 

My deep respect to both of you 🙂 

Frequent oil changes are critical with these engines.Oil changes are ‘time based’(all manufacturers).10,000kms is what I change mine at,or if I have not reached the recommended mileage @ the specific time,it gets changed regardless.Oil & filters are cheap maintenance.Well said by the way.👍🦘🦘🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🚗