I've known about this for a while but it's shocking just how many don't! When I mention it to EV owners I'm always met with 'Below the belt' verbal abuse telling me I'm full of 💩 💩 and that'll never happen because it's 'free motoring' after the high purchase price 🙄 I'm even thinking of printing this out for the ''I'm saving the planet'' brigade.

Told a friend about this and she blew a gasket as she'd just got a mega low engined Fiesta just so she doesn't have to pay any such tax. 🤭

Fun whilst it lasted eh 🤡

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vehicle-tax-for-electric-and-low-emissions-vehicles

Yeah, your full of *****. 🤣🤣🤣. But it will happen. And so it should. And pay per mile for all.  No such thing as free motoring. Gov needs money from somewhere. Money don't grow on trees for the gov. Just a shame they waste alot of it( HS2 just one example) 

Those on ice £0 tax only have to  pay £20 in 2025. So not so bad for them. 

45 minutes ago, Ian Lanc said:

When I mention it to EV owners I'm always met with 'Below the belt' verbal abuse 

Given EVs tend to have list prices over £40k, have you told them about the "expensive car supplement" for the first 5 years as well? Or is there only so much abuse you can take?😀

2 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Given EVs tend to have list prices over £40k, have you told them about the "expensive car supplement" for the first 5 years as well? Or is there only so much abuse you can take?😀

That doesnt apply to current EVs but hopefully it will make manufacturers focus on smaller more affordable EVs instead of faux SUVs they make higher margin on. 

1 minute ago, alexp999 said:

That doesn’t apply to EVs. 

I believe the exemption ends next April? According to gov.uk:

Additional rate (expensive car supplement)

For new electric vehicles with a list price exceeding £40,000, you will now need to pay the expensive car supplement from the second tax payment onwards. This applies to vehicles registered on or after 1 April 2025.

2 minutes ago, alexp999 said:

That doesnt apply to current EVs but hopefully it will make manufacturers focus on smaller more affordable EVs instead of faux SUVs they make higher margin on. 

Lol, you must have been typing at the same time as me! Yes, let's hope it has that effect.

2 hours ago, iantt said:

Gov needs money from somewhere. Money don't grow on trees for the gov. Just a shame they waste alot of it( HS2 just one example)

I tend to disagree. The issue is that government thinking depends on 'money growing on trees'. That's how they can squander £120 Billion on HS2, £37 Billion on a useless 'track & trace' system, £70 Billion on furlough which gave us a nation of stay at home workers watching NetFlix, £11 Billion on giving money away to other countries to help their 'green' issues. Even Tony's government wasted £14 Billion on an NHS IT system that was so bad, it wasn't even commissioned.

Yep, to waste proper money you need to be government. Still, you could always abolish the winter fuel allowance on our pensioners to claw some back to pay Jnr Dr's, and train drivers 🤣

54 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

'money growing on trees'.

Can you recommend  a place where I can get a 'sterling' tree please 🤣

4 minutes ago, unofix said:

Can you recommend  a place where I can get a 'sterling' tree please 🤣

I'd say buy a decent metal detector and get on the beaches and get permission from land owners to scour farmlands!......

2 minutes ago, Ian Lanc said:

farmlands!......

Comrade Starmer is closing all the Farms 🙄

The Telegraph
Labour’s electric car push risks running out of road as fiscal realities hit home

https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/labour-electric-car-push-risks-080000469.html

11 minutes ago, eddie eastwood said:

Labour’s electric car push risks running out of road

Shocking !!!

but that's always the risk with electricity 🤣

12 minutes ago, eddie eastwood said:

Labour’s electric car push risks running out of road as fiscal realities hit home

But they're 'green' (aren't they?) ... the St Greta mob will lap them up at any price 🤣

21 minutes ago, unofix said:

Comrade Starmer is closing all the Farms 🙄

And opening new farms, wind and solar farms.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

3 minutes ago, iantt said:

And opening new farms, wind and solar farms.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

That'll be sub comrade Milliband's remit 😂

The Chinese will come to rescue soon with there affordable EVs. Some countries are getting 54 new models of EV in the next 18 months. Other countries pretty much none with 100% import tariffs stopping them. 

17 minutes ago, iantt said:

The Chinese will come to rescue soon with there affordable EVs.ntries pretty much none with 100% import tariffs stopping them. 

All manufactured by power from coal & gas. You gotta laugh 🤣

11 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

All manufactured by power from coal & gas. You gotta laugh 🤣

Nope, The Chinese now  have more renewable electric than all other countries in the world put together. Lots of coal fired power station stand idle due to being too expensive to run compared renewable. 

4 hours ago, iantt said:

Yeah, your full of *****. 🤣🤣🤣. But it will happen. And so it should. And pay per mile for all.  No such thing as free motoring. Gov needs money from somewhere. Money don't grow on trees for the gov. Just a shame they waste alot of it( HS2 just one example) 

Those on ice £0 tax only have to  pay £20 in 2025. So not so bad for them. 

We already are paying per mile if we use diesel or petrol - and the higher the fuel consumption, the more we pay per mile! (Fuel tax plus the vat on the fuel - and on its tax!)

4 minutes ago, iantt said:

Nope, The Chinese now  have more renewable electric than all other countries in the world put together....

Yes, but 70% of their electricity used is still generated from fossil fuels...

44 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

All manufactured by power from coal & gas. You gotta laugh 🤣

 

25 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

Yes, but 70% of their electricity used is still generated from fossil fuels...

So 100%, then 70%🤣🤣.

The share is reducing rapidly. 

 

Clean energy generated a record-high 44% of China’s electricity in May 2024, pushing coal’s share down to a record low of 53%, despite continued growth in demand.

The new analysis for Carbon Brief, based on official figures and other data that only became available last week, reveals the true scale of the drop in coal’s share of the mix.

Coal lost seven percentage points compared with May 2023, when it accounted for 60% of generation in China.

7 minutes ago, iantt said:

 

So 100%, then 70%🤣🤣.

The share is reducing rapidly.

 

... The average growth rate of coal consumption increased eightfold in the last two years, from 0.5 percent per year between 2016 and 2020 to 3.8 percent per year between 2021 and 2023, and new coal power approvals quadrupled between 2022 and 2023 as compared with the five years before the government pledged its strict controls.

This has contributed to a 12 percent rise in emissions in the energy sector between 2020 and 2023. To meet the government’s 2025 carbon intensity targets, emissions would have to peak this year and decline by 4 to 6 percent by 2025. Some analysts consider these targets already out of reach, but if China is to stay on track with its long- and short-term goals, the government must honor its pledge to control new coal capacity and continue its rapid buildup of renewables.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-renewable-energy

Your turn... 😂

1 minute ago, StephenFord said:

... The average growth rate of coal consumption increased eightfold in the last two years, from 0.5 percent per year between 2016 and 2020 to 3.8 percent per year between 2021 and 2023, and new coal power approvals quadrupled between 2022 and 2023 as compared with the five years before the government pledged its strict controls.

This has contributed to a 12 percent rise in emissions in the energy sector between 2020 and 2023. To meet the government’s 2025 carbon intensity targets, emissions would have to peak this year and decline by 4 to 6 percent by 2025. Some analysts consider these targets already out of reach, but if China is to stay on track with its long- and short-term goals, the government must honor its pledge to control new coal capacity and continue its rapid buildup of renewables.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-renewable-energy

Your turn... 😂

Ok. Will do. 🤣🤣

Fossil fuels now make up less than half of China’s total installed generation capacity, a dramatic reduction from a decade ago when fossil fuels accounted for two-thirds of its power capacity.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-renewable-energy

Same report. 

Uk doing better , virtually no coal now. We had excess electric production today with wind and solar so one energy utility were encouraging higher consumption at peak generation to balance the grid  by giving electric for free for an hour. I made the most of it managed to draw 21kw of electric, charging car, cooking, washing machine, etc etc. they did the same Thursday but I was at work.