12 hours ago, iantt said:

Uk doing better , virtually no coal now.

None at all from next month when the UKs last coal fired power station (Ratcliffe) is shut down.😀

Meanwhile (and visible in the far distance from where I live) Drax produces 4 times as much CO2 per unit on the dubious, and heavily subsidised, premise that burning trees shipped over from North America is carbon neutral.

 

8 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

None at all from next month when the UKs last coal fired power station (Ratcliffe) is shut down.😀

Meanwhile (and visible in the far distance from where I live) Drax produces 4 times as much CO2 per unit on the dubious, and heavily subsidised, premise that burning trees shipped over from North America is carbon neutral.

 

Yeah, that's just plain crazy

47 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Meanwhile (and visible in the far distance from where I live) Drax produces 4 times as much CO2 per unit on the dubious, and heavily subsidised, premise that burning trees shipped over from North America is carbon neutral.

I was wondering if you don't have any rubbish to burn up North...  But a quick Google suggests Drax is a much larger scale operation!

SUEZ Suffolk | Energy recovery (suffolkefw.co.uk)

1 hour ago, TomsFocus said:

I was wondering if you don't have any rubbish to burn up North...  But a quick Google suggests Drax is a much larger scale operation!

SUEZ Suffolk | Energy recovery (suffolkefw.co.uk)

To counteract any impression that Yorkshire folk are too tight to throw anything away, we've got one of those too!😀

https://thalia.co.uk/where-we-work/york-and-north-yorkshire/?redirectedFrom=rule04-allerton

EDIT PS: That's just North Yorkshire btw, there are several others in Yorkshire including on the sites of the former coal fired power stations at Ferrybridge and Skelton Grange, for example. 

ALL road users should pay allegedly for upkeep, not to top up the coffers, whatever fuel source.

1 hour ago, Jimpster said:

ALL road users should pay allegedly for upkeep, not to top up the coffers, whatever fuel source.

Most of us seem to agree with that, though it may go down better with the public if motoring taxation was spent on road related schemes, rather than disappearing into the general pot.

Looking like "pay per mile", as mentioned earlier, may be getting closer too:

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/consumer-news/364095/labour-could-introduce-regressive-pay-mile-road-tax-octobers-autumn-budget

As fuel duty revenue drops with the spread of EVs, something of this sort would seem inevitable.

I don't see what's been fair that I have paid over 10 years £160 in total on vehicle excise duty when when other car users may have paid that as a minimum or more each year for  similar sized  vehicles of differing ages . I'm obviously not going to offer to pay more, let's get that straight🤣

Pay per mile will disadvantage those in rural areas and those that have no choice but to drive to work. In my case there's no  alternative public  transport to my work place. Any scheme of any sorts will have winners and losers , or in the case of gov schemes, losers and really bad losers.

I'm generally supportive of pay-per-mile, even though I drive completely out of choice around 12k miles a year for fun. Agree with other commenters on that it might continue to be seen as a bad idea if its going into the general tax coffers when our government is considered to be very wasteful.

 

I think its the simplest way to continue getting Westminster money, without actively discouraging car usage/adding different taxes to keep the coffers full.

Am a low mileage user 3000 per year or less so depending on where they peg it, and make the exise duty fairer am all for it.

Unexpectedly (!), I am 100% against it (pay per mile). There is a fundamental flaw, in that the government will be running it. They can't manage to run anything properly, apart from running our great country into the ground. They should not be given any further powers whatsoever as they already can't manage the agenda on their plate...

4 hours ago, Jimpster said:

Am a low mileage user 3000 per year or less so depending on where they peg it,

Of course all deliveries to shops will cost a lot more, and staff who have to travel to work will all have to be paid more, or just quit their job and sit at home drawing benefits  !!

The knock of effect will be enormous. The complications of administering such a scheme will be mind boggling, just remember how well 'track and trace' worked, and how much it cost. 🤔

Just now, unofix said:

...just remember how well 'track and trace' worked, and how much it cost. 🤔

£37 BILLION in case anyone has forgotten 🤣

is that all, labours spent more than that on the doctors

6 minutes ago, Jimpster said:

is that all, labours spent more than that on the doctors

Doctors cost nowhere near that.

Here's the thing about Millions & Billions...

•    A million seconds is 12 days.
•    A billion seconds is 31 years.

They are both thrown about with such frequency these days, it's easy to get blase, there is a world of difference, and many politicians haven't a clue with our 'monopoly' money...