madmole Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Oh and time to get a mate to call them and ask if they can source an engine for his focus, bet they can! (your old one) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusowner1 Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 Would it be the police station I should visit? Or just trading standards? Thank you very much THE DARK KNIGHT for your advice. Very appreciated. They've said they will get the engine number for me if I pop down, they'll look on the engine for it. Wouldn't they have had the v5 for donor car? It'd be on there wouldn't it? They've said they haven't had chance to 'dig out' donor car registration yet. . They are seriously taking the !Removed!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEADS Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 That's becuase there is no donor car to speak of they have more than likely sourced the cheapest engine they can from a scrappy hence the reason not to come forth with details as they don't know themselves the hole is getting deeper for them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incontro Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 It really peeves me off how cowboys like this can take innocent people for a ride like this. I am not so sure if the police could help you in this situation (somewhat doubtful). (Clive may know the answer to this) But I think this is something that could be pursued in small claims court, provided you are able to gather solid evidence. Best of luck OP, if you fight it out, I am sure you will succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusowner1 Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 Thanks all. I think I'll at least get into citizens advice about it, see what they say. They are based in my home village, the owner is new to the area moved from about 30 miles away. I know many people in the village. Many people who know other people who also know people, who will all hearmy story. Its in his best interest to get me the information I have requested. I can't see his business succeeding without it. I haven't long moved here and didn't know the other local garages, but we have many friends in this village. I won't bother posting any more pics of the water pump, it seems you can see enough in the one I linked to. Thanks EVERY ONE for your input /help /advice :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Knight Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 The offence under the Road Traffic Act that I mentioned is a criminal offence and one of strict liability. Either they did or didn't fit an iffy part in simple terms. Whether a case could run against them on those grounds depends on the knock on effect the parts and engine have had to the car obviously. As for the mention of theft... Theft is the dishonest appropriation of property belonging to another with the intention to permanently deprive. There is case law that shows that when a vehicle is in the custody of a garage, they are effectively the temporary owners until the bill is paid. Even without that, it would be difficult to prove dishonest appropriation of any property here in my opinion. I speak with both academic and court based experience there. Apologies for going off on a tangent there! By all means total up your financial losses here by the way because that would be needed for legal proceedings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusowner1 Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 Many many thanks THE DARK KNIGHT! Have noted everything you've said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Well, you bought and paid for a car that included an engine with specific markings and age/history/warranty etc They have removed that with intent to deprive you of use of it Replacing it with something of no known history (possibly dodgy), little warranty, markings that don't tally with your registration and faults, is no different from me stealing your nice race bike and putting a £50 charity shop clunker back in its place, while I sell the race bike at a profit, telling you that you had a puncture so the new bike is better. That's illegal and so is what they have done. To compound matters they have lied as to why and falsified evidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusowner1 Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 Just Seen them posting on a social networking site.. In those 'free or for sale in (area)' pages. They're advertising,: offering House clearances. And ads for 'cars wanted for scrap' And some cars for sale. They're technically running 4 businesses then if you add these to the mechanic garage business? Hummm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Knight Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Well, you bought and paid for a car that included an engine with specific markings and age/history/warranty etc They have removed that with intent to deprive you of use of it Replacing it with something of no known history (possibly dodgy), little warranty, markings that don't tally with your registration and faults, is no different from me stealing your nice race bike and putting a £50 charity shop clunker back in its place, while I sell the race bike at a profit, telling you that you had a puncture so the new bike is better. That's illegal and so is what they have done. To compound matters they have lied as to why and falsified evidence It really depends what unfolds with the garage. If for example a trading standards investigation discovered fraudulent activity then that would aid any theft arguments but if it was a case of incompetence or negligence, it wouldn't pass the test for dishonesty. This is all speculation at this stage so we don't need to get bogged down in this of course. This is very interesting though. What is your next move Maxine? Are you going to let another garage give it a once over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusowner1 Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 I'm going to take it elsewhere, yes. And ask them to check it out. I don't mind paying them an hour of their time either. Then I'll go to citizens advice.. For their, well, advice on what to do next :) So appreciative of all your support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Knight Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I emailed citizens advice not long back to see if they wanted any volunteers when I had some time to spare but they never replied. I might try again if I ever get a chance. So busy at work its untrue! I would be interested to hear what they said in any case. Also worth noting that solicitors tend to give 30 mins free advice now and a follow up letter detailing costs and fees if you wanted to utilise their services. If you wanted to go down that road, look for solicitors who specialise in consumer related issues. I tried to keep up with this topic in my lunch break at work but today I had to work through my lunch break yet again. GGGRRR!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Knight Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Does the garage in question have a website by any chance? If not, what is the company called at least? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figgis41 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Im ondering if all this was dont to nick your engine with only 67k on it ?Replaced with a scrapper and hoped you would go away ?please go to the police. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsava Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Wonder if they put your engine on eBay for sale or their website. They may have a car for sale that had a "new" engine or just "low mileage" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Knight Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 What's the latest on this Maxine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figgis41 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Im ondering if all this was dont to nick your engine with only 67k on it ? Replaced with a scrapper and hoped you would go away ? please go to the police. let me start again,, lol im wondering if all this was done just to nick your engine,,, is what i ment :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusowner1 Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 They don't have a website. They do have a Facebook page. I don't know if I should name them here? Would that be, like, I don't know, should I? I don't mind giving the name of the place but I don't know if maybe I shouldn't name until this is all sorted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusowner1 Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 There will be Korea update after the weekend, my brother is getting married Saturday, I am mega busy now til Monday helping withsstuff. Will update you all soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Knight Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Don't worry about naming them in terms of defamation Maxine but if you feel better not naming them in case they read this and were therefore given a heads up, send me the name by PM. To be fair there's enough information in this topic for them to know who and what it's about in the unlikely event they did read it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusowner1 Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7Kr0QsufeWSYk9mWlFHOUZvbG8/edit?usp=docslist_api The pic in that link... I've pointed a 'spade' at a part of the engine... The mechanic read a number off that part of the engine to me and has given it to me as the 'engine number' that I've asked for. Can anyone confirm.. If that is indeed where the engine number would be found? They 'haven't found' the 'paperwork' with donor car registration on yet hahahaha!... Have been giving them the chance to get all the info I've requested before I take this further... So they've had plenty of opportunities to correct all their lies etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantt Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Engine code and serial number located low down on engine, on the right edge òf engine as your looking at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusowner1 Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 Lol... They looked there... And muttered to each other that it had 'corroded off'?! It's a joke really. I couldn't even make this up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London's Finest Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 corroded off? That's dodgy. Serial numbers and vin plates shouldn't ever 'corrode off' unless its physically tampered with on purpose. If the engine doesn't have an identity number the insurers (Based on how picky yours are) may not insure it, as it may possibly count as a modification and the serial number has to be declared. However your insurers may be straight forward about it and just list it on the system and may not require the number, just a scanned receipt of the work done for proof. Also, as a police matter if there are questions on the car's identity they may seize it as evidence because you cant prove that a crime hasn't been committed (i.e. stolen engine). Bit nasty, happened to one of dad's colleagues the dude bought a cheap late plate (silly money) 3 series and after 3 weeks got pulled over and long behold- no vin numbers on parts and the vin number on the dash didn't match to the one on the system. So he essentially lost his car. Honestly, take it to the RAC or dealers and get a professional opinion on the situation. It may cost a bit for an inspection but its better than writing your car off and having nothing to show for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artscot79 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 ive seen engines left out in the elements for years and the number isnt corroded off they dont corrode off im afraid and if thats his claim hes admitting the engine didnt come from a car if it did it wouldnt be corroded im afraid you need to take this to the next level now as the whole situation is beyond dodgy its a down right jolk you ideally need the reg number of the car to do a free dvla check it would tell you how long it was off the road last recorded mileage at mot etc and any issues on the mot the engine number is pretty much useless other than for youre own records. dark knight will know more than me but from what i can determine he has devalued youre car at the very least and left you with questionable reliability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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