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Tony Blair at lasts reaslises the futility of, 'net zero'...

Today has been a very significant day for the provision of energy in the UK though those with little interest in politics may have missed it. Tony Blair, the GodFather of the Labour party has at last come out and expressed his desire that we should stop our quest for 'net zero'.

Significant, in that this declaration allows Starmer 'permission' to legitimately lose Ed Miliband, and use him as the fall guy for this Net Zero nonsense.(He'll likely go and serve out the rest of his time in the house of lords)

The whole house of cards of net zero will hopefully collapse as even our current incompetent government realise how ridiculous it all is.

Parties of all colours have been complicit in this ludicrous policy, with Teresa May encapsulating net zero targets in UK law! Yes, a very significant day...



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2 hours ago, StephenFord said:

Tony Blair, the GodFather of the Labour party has at last come out and expressed his desire that we should stop our quest for 'net zero'.

Perhaps he's been watching the fun and games in Spain and Portugal the last couple of days 🤣

5 hours ago, StephenFord said:

Significant, in that this declaration allows Starmer 'permission' to legitimately lose Ed Miliband

Let's hope so!

BBC report on TB's comments:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvrwyp0jx3o

I expected TB's comments to be plastered all over the front page of the Daily Mail, but no:

 

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On 4/30/2025 at 6:06 AM, Eric Bloodaxe said:

I expected TB's comments to be plastered all over the front page of the Daily Mail, but no:

 

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Blair has been out of office for a long time. His influence is greatly diminished. His late admission regarding the green new scam and zero carbon emissions is a bit late and not a little disappointing. I have to lump him into the same pile of rubbish leaders as the Bushes, both Clintons, Obama and Trudeau. All of them are globalists with a throbbing desire to take orders from Brussels.

Things here are definitely in process of changing. One of my former colleagues, whose brother is probably the laziest man in North America, told me that his brother was complaining that his “free” government issued phone has been deactivated as of last week. That was a feature of the Obama administration to buy the voters affection.

Unless they are offering the people an actual improvement to their lives and a clear pathway to a better future for the next generation, these green energy advocates will have to be shown the door.

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35 minutes ago, Scottman said:

Blair has been out of office for a long time. His influence is greatly diminished. His late admission regarding the green new scam and zero carbon emissions is a bit late...

I have to disagree on that. Blair's influence on the Labour party, even after all these years, is still significant. His denouncement of, 'net zero' will throw the government into turmoil, with them already infighting over the topic. It will also give Starmer, the PM, legitimacy on losing Ed Miliband, the guy in charge  of our 'net zero' policy who only today has been disclosed to be in discussions to ban all domestic gas boiler installations in new builds from next year, 2026!

The man is a lunatic, and the sooner he is farmed off to the House of Lords, the better...

I certainly hope that you are spot on about that!

1 hour ago, StephenFord said:

and the sooner he is farmed off to the House of Lords, the better..

Can we not just skip that step and send him directly to the knackers yard ? 🤔

38 minutes ago, unofix said:

Can we not just skip that step and send him directly to the knackers yard ? 🤔

Surely there are still a few remote British Overseas Territories we haven't given away yet that we could send him to? Something might eat him - a polar bear would be appropriate.

Interestingly I've noticed that this petition, which seems to have been dormant, has started picking up a few signatories again:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/707101

Wonder if it's at all connected to the Iberian outages or Ofsted pulling out of the Hornsea 4 project?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce848g8l8vro

https://orsted.com/en/company-announcement-list/2025/05/orsted-to-discontinue-the-hornsea-4-offshore-wind--143901911

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1 hour ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Interestingly I've noticed that this petition, which seems to have been dormant, has started picking up a few signatories again:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/707101

I've always said that petitions are fairly useless as they make no difference, but you do feel smug when you sign one LOL

On 5/8/2025 at 6:21 PM, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Ofsted pulling out of the Hornsea 4 project

Didn't realise the Office For Standards in Education were involved in it 🤣

3 hours ago, mjt said:

Didn't realise the Office for Standards in Education were involved in it 🤣

Damn predictive text again - that's Orsted. 

Might as well be Ofsted though!😀

Another exploding EV story?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14695815/electric-car-bursts-flames-driveway-family-home.html

It'll be interesting to see what the actual reason was before jumping to conclusions Fault with the car or with the charger?

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Electrice cars are not the way forward as we have to somewhere in the chain use something to delivery the power needed to charge the cars.. the infrastucture is appaling on the roads. Soon it will be take a ticket to charge.😘😘

How is the goverment supposed to deliver a good standard of roads when all electric cars will be VED exempt?!!!

We are hearing more about the so called climate change cars. But they are too heavy. Old multi storey car parks cant handle them. They catch on fire with water present and burn hotter than a petrol car..battery life at best 12 years. Costing extra to buy putting you close to the £40000 luxury tax bracket. Range worry, and you cant travel from london to top of scotland without stopping..to recharge..

 Its worth buying your ford now and waiting till its 40..but im sure the goverment will have a tax for that..

Petrol and diesel must stay to fuel all our vintage cars for now and the future classics..

 

 

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2 hours ago, daren rice said:

Electrice cars are not the way forward...

Well said. Government removal of consumer choice is always wrong 👍

4 hours ago, StephenFord said:

Well said. Government removal of consumer choice is always wrong 👍

Government looks at it as “directing the market”. The problem is that they simply cannot anticipate the effects of forcing changes. One of the most telling signs that they don’t actually have good intentions is that they haven’t invested in infrastructure and power generation to anything near the point where it would meet the demand that they themselves have predicted their own decisions would create! So, using that as a guide for viewing the future outcomes leads me to conclude that they have absolutely no intention of implementing upgrades to the system. They are simply not telling everyone that they ultimately will greatly reduce the ability to own or operate a private vehicle! THAT is the actual plan.

Nobody should lie to themselves about the actual agenda that is in play here. The importance of seeing what is NOT being done is just as important as what they claim to be doing! The unspoken truth is that the government intends to make everyone poorer and have much less mobility.

It doesn’t matter what Continent you are living on or if the government is liberal or conservative. The thrust of the effort is the same, with only minor differences in the scope and speed of implementation. 

1 minute ago, Scottman said:

The problem is that they simply cannot anticipate the effects of forcing changes.

It's the old law of unintended consequences. We've probably all seen that the Government are putting money into this sort of research (article below), while simultaneously covering the countryside with solar panels:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/articles/c5ygydeqq08o

Another example, going off topic a little, is their plan to protect social housing by reducing the "right to buy" discount. Consequently thousands of tenants who may have been mulling things over have jumped in to buy before the discount cut, this causing an immediate reduction in the amount of of social housing.

“Right to buy” discounts and government subsidies or incentives are simply the Government trying to influence the market with taxpayer money. 
Considering that the government has no money, except that which they have taken from the taxpayers, they are basically setting up schemes to put people into vehicles and homes that they otherwise wouldn’t have chosen to buy, and doing it  all with the taxpayers money!

Probably almost no incentive to do anything that might be construed as “shady” or “unethical” mixed into the process of pulling off something like that!

1 hour ago, eddie eastwood said:

Hidden source of clean energy could power Earth for 170,000 years

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/hidden-source-clean-energy-could-202409697.html

May take that long to figure out how to extract it. Don't know if you read the original article li nkedin the yahoo one but, wow, that's one long read. Didn't understand most of it but quite a few could, maybe , ifs and buts, estimates.  🤣

What are your thoughts on the microbes feasting on the hydrogen? 

1 hour ago, iantt said:

Didn't understand most of it but quite a few could, maybe , ifs and buts, estimates.  🤣

No, it's a bit like Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" - most folk get to page 29 and give up!

I did see, though, that the 170,000 years-worth is an estimate of how much has been produced, not how much is actually remaining for use:

"Over the past billion years, this production is enough to supply the energy equivalent to 170,000 years of present-day societal oil use. However, most of this hydrogen would have been consumed in the subsurface or escaped to the atmosphere. Establishing how much hydrogen has been preserved in the crust and is accessible for economic exploitation remains highly uncertain."

54 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

No, it's a bit like Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" - most folk get to page 29 and give up!

I did see, though, that the 170,000 years-worth is an estimate of how much has been produced, not how much is actually remaining for use:

"Over the past billion years, this production is enough to supply the energy equivalent to 170,000 years of present-day societal oil use. However, most of this hydrogen would have been consumed in the subsurface or escaped to the atmosphere. Establishing how much hydrogen has been preserved in the crust and is accessible for economic exploitation remains highly uncertain."

Did you read it all in it's entirety? I hope not.i did and wouldn't wish that on anyone.  🤣🤣

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