Those in the comparison picture posted above Alex.S, are the plug in versions not the self charging ones 🤔

48 minutes ago, Wino said:

Those in the comparison picture posted above Alex.S, are the plug in versions not the self charging ones 🤔

Id realised that after posting it! They really are taking the p*** with the advance payments . But over maybe a year or so I’d maybe get that back in saved petrol costs. 

5 minutes ago, Alex.S said:

Id realised that after posting it! They really are taking the p*** with the advance payments . But over maybe a year or so I’d maybe get that back in saved petrol costs. 

Lol . No worries Alex. Will be keeping an eye on the self charging Kuga but can't see us changing for a year or so at the very least so will see how things evolve in the mean time. 

The plug ins are a deffo no go as our car is parked on the street about 50m away from our house on a good day and on the opposite side of the road hence the interest in the self charging versions. 

10 hours ago, Alex.S said:

Id realised that after posting it! They really are taking the p*** with the advance payments . But over maybe a year or so I’d maybe get that back in saved petrol costs. 

I've never seen such a high AP before...  Tiguan was about £3k last year and I thought that was bad enough!  But £4.6k for an ID3!? 😮 

 

1 hour ago, TomsFocus said:

I've never seen such a high AP before

I've not been taking too much interest, but I've noticed a few normal lease or PCP deals on EVs where the monthlies seemed pretty competitive..........then I saw the initial payment!

I don’t know the cost of making an EV compared to ICE but manufacturers knowing running costs are so much lower bump up the price. The lease companies including motability follow suit. My STLX was around a grand AP. Prices are much higher now across the board.
Did yous spot the range on the kuga ? 56km ! 
but 200mpg 

The st line and the st line edition...both the same price.. 🤔

4 minutes ago, Alex.S said:

companies including motability

Having said that it’s a not for profit organisation so it’s most likely manufacturers putting 10k on top for EVs 

 

38 minutes ago, Alex.S said:

I don’t know the cost of making an EV compared to ICE but manufacturers knowing running costs are so much lower bump up the price. 

It's interesting that when the threshold for electric vehicle grants was lowered recently from £50k to £35k, prices of many EVs were reduced to get under £35k and still qualify for the (albeit reduced) grant. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Alex.S said:

I don’t know the cost of making an EV compared to ICE but manufacturers knowing running costs are so much lower bump up the price. The lease companies including motability follow suit. My STLX was around a grand AP. Prices are much higher now across the board.
Did yous spot the range on the kuga ? 56km ! 
but 200mpg 

The st line and the st line edition...both the same price.. 🤔

I wouldn't take too much notice of that MPG figure.  Will totally depend on your driving.  If you do mostly town driving on electric then you'll get a decent MPG (equivalent).  If you're mostly on the motorway using the petrol engine you'll be getting petrol engine MPG.

20 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

Will totally depend on your driving.  If you do mostly town driving on electric then you'll get a decent MPG (equivalent).

I can see these things making a lot of financial sense to many people with the right driving mix, particularly business users who can take advantage of the tax breaks. I've certainly seen a fair number of BMW 330e's plugged in outside houses that previously had 320 or 330d's outside.

My company give us a car allowance, we can take it as cash (lose loads of it to tax and NI) and buy our own cars or pick a company car using the full allowance but have to pay company car tax. On an electric car the company car tax (benefit in kind) is 1% of the RRP rising to 2% next year, on hybrids it depends on the range it can do full electric so is somewhere between 7 and 14%. I've not found anything to replace my STLX Focus estate (186, 1.5 petrol) apart from a Beemer 330E and that is so expensive it isn't funny (£54k for comparable options!) which makes the car tax really expensive.

The MG5 is the only electric estate but it isn't really in the same class as the Focus.

I'll be keeping the Focus till more electric cars some out, I'm particularly interested to see what the Ioniq 5 and EV6 look like and cost when they're finally available to buy.

I did read that the Vignale was dropped on the Focus but the Vignale interior could be optioned on the STLXs

Personally I do not see the point in a hybrid, once the battery is flat you'll be relying on a smaller petrol / diesel engine to do all the work so I'd never get the 155 STLX hybrid to replace mine.

The 125 and 155 hybrid batteries don't get flat.  They are mild hybrids not plugins.

2 hours ago, Guy Heaton said:

The 125 and 155 hybrid batteries don't get flat.  They are mild hybrids not plugins.

There a pointless exercise in hybrid. Same goes for bigger battery "self charging hybrid" 

I don't agree.  In certain areas the Toyota hybrids are much more frugal than pure ICE.  

On 5/7/2021 at 9:07 AM, Guy Heaton said:

I don't agree.  In certain areas the Toyota hybrids are much more frugal than pure ICE.  

And THAT is the key point that most people don't recognise.  HOW a hybrid is driven, combined with the types of journeys made makes a massive difference to the MPG figure.  Having driven several recent model Toyota hybrids as hire cars I found the MPG to mirror what you'd expect when thinking about it:

1. Motorway driving - as you might expect, MPG similar to a mid sized petrol engine because the electric motors can't handle motorway speeds on their own, so the engine ends up doing most of the grunt work.
2. Urban driving (especially stop start traffic) - Really good MPG, especially if accelerating sensibly.

(With a CVT gearbox there really is no point in trying to "make progress", sitting a hybrid Auris near its rev limit for 8-10 seconds to get a shift on is neither pleasant or fun, for anyone IN the car or anyone the car happens to pass).

Yep, this is why one would make sense for me as I do very little motorway driving.  95% of my miles are urban or 50mph country roads.

I don’t know figures for kuga sales , I don’t see many but this new plug in is probably in kuga first to boost sales. Iirc 2.5L 220bhp , sounds interesting. I thought it was really new but found a YouTube review that wasn’t. I realise the 200mpg will be if it’s all 20mph city driving but even if it was double my 33.5 mpg it’d probably save around £100-£150 a month. But that’d just be payback for the huge AP. For 2 years of the 3 

Still interested 

Plug in hybrid Kuga been out a while but sales were effectively stopped late  last year until now due to faulty batteries. On battery only it lasts 23- 27 miles approx then it's effectively running on a 2.5l petrol thereafter. 

That’s the focus 1L 155 MH disappeared from the motability website. All that’s left are diesels 2L and 1.5L and petrol 1L 125ps...that’s it! 

They're surely about to release/ launch more options..

I've been actively looking at alternatives available atm but can't find anything that ticks the boxes so it looks like the Focus is staying for the time being.

1 hour ago, Alex.S said:

That’s the focus 1L 155 MH disappeared from the motability website. All that’s left are diesels 2L and 1.5L and petrol 1L 125ps...that’s it! 

They're surely about to release/ launch more options..

I hope so.  I'd have a Focus with the 2.5 fhev in it.

14 minutes ago, Guy Heaton said:

I hope so.  I'd have a Focus with the 2.5 fhev in it.

It’s only got 220ps though Guy! 

That's enough for me I'm an old man now. 😁

Yeah 220 should be sufficient! 

For those that remember,  I posted a screenshot of the motability advance payment for a VW id3. For what I believe is high spec (a MAX Pro) they were asking a ridiculous £4.6k ! For comparison my STLX 182 auto was about a grand ap but with some money back to spend on it from the stealer.   I had a look just now , it’s changed a bit! 
I’d still prefer the GTE…