2018 fiesta  25000 miles cam belt shreded teeth 

2 months out of warranty should Ford be sympathetic to our claim 

7 minutes ago, Clitheroe zoo said:

2018 fiesta  25000 miles cam belt shreded teeth 

2 months out of warranty should Ford be sympathetic to our claim 

If you have followed all the warranty conditions to every dot and comma then your case is stronger👍

Which engine?  Would like to think they'll offer a 'goodwill gesture' as long as it hasn't missed services or had the wrong oil/engine flush used.

I'd be more worried about what caused it as it's not normal at that mileage.

It's probably a 1.0L ecoboost. Not many other ford engines are likely to knacker the belt that quickly.

Hmmmm....picking up a 24k mile 2017 ecoboost Fiesta for daughter tomorrow: full Ford service history: I understand they are now every 2 years or 18k miles.

Anything we should be concerned about here? 

It’s always been an engine that is very susceptible to major damage in the blink of an eye if things go wrong.  Eg if you get a coolant leak the engine is toast before you realise anything is wrong.  This seemed more of a problem on the focus with that engine where hard plastic coolant pipe going to the coolant tank would fracture.   The metal coolant pipes on the turbo rust .  Ford solution was to clean rust off and paint them.  This might just be on older cars with that engine, not sure.  Timing belt is rubber and runs in oil. Granules come off the belt and block the oil strainer so low oil pressure wrecks engine.  Many cases where oil pressure warming light comes on.  Owner checks oil level, can’t see anything wrong so carries on driving. But it is a pressure light not a level light. So owner destroys engine because they don’t understand. I have no idea percentage wise how many cars die this way. In respect of the first post on this thread we don’t know the cause. It says shredded, it might have been something else broke eg tensioner.

1 hour ago, mikeiow said:

ecoboost Fiesta

I couldn't in all good consciousness recommend a 1.0 ecoboost to anyone unless it was covered by a cast iron, no quibble, Ford warranty.

There are many tales of woe on this forum, spend a little time reading just a few of them before making your decision.

11 minutes ago, unofix said:

I couldn't in all good consciousness recommend a 1.0 ecoboost to anyone unless it was covered by a cast iron, no quibble, Ford warranty.

There are many tales of woe on this forum, spend a little time reading just a few of them before making your decision.

In all honesty I / We love our EcoBoost Fiestas but would be very hard pushed to ever buy a used one.....

I'm glad i have the 1.6 Ti-vct  as i have heard on here and other places the problems with the ecoboost.

I only have 34k on the clock and runs like a dream.

2 hours ago, mikeiow said:

Hmmmm....picking up a 24k mile 2017 ecoboost Fiesta for daughter tomorrow: full Ford service history: I understand they are now every 2 years or 18k miles.

Anything we should be concerned about here? 

No modern engine is bulletproof...  You'll find horror stories about every engine if you look hard enough.

The reality is that the vast majority of 1.0EB are fine.  We do see a lot of wetbelt issues on the 1.0EB in comparison to other engines/faults but not usually at such low mileage as the OPs, hence asking which engine.  I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually a 1.5 TDCI that missed the cam sprocket recall...

2 hours ago, TomsFocus said:

No modern engine is bulletproof...  You'll find horror stories about every engine if you look hard enough.

The reality is that the vast majority of 1.0EB are fine.  We do see a lot of wetbelt issues on the 1.0EB in comparison to other engines/faults but not usually at such low mileage as the OPs, hence asking which engine.  I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually a 1.5 TDCI that missed the cam sprocket recall...

Unless of course it is a Honda!They are ‘bulletproof’,very well engineered engines!But in saying that the 1.0 has had its share of issues,but there are many around with high mileage with no issues.Frequent oil changes are of paramount importance with these engines,twice a year I have mine done.Oil is cheap,a destroyed engine is not.

10 hours ago, Clitheroe zoo said:

2018 fiesta  25000 miles cam belt shreded teeth 

2 months out of warranty should Ford be sympathetic to our claim 

Can you please tell us exactly what model you have?

Perhaps clithoroe zoo will clarify which engine and exactly what happened

2 hours ago, TomsFocus said:

No modern engine is bulletproof...  You'll find horror stories about every engine if you look hard enough.

The reality is that the vast majority of 1.0EB are fine.  We do see a lot of wetbelt issues on the 1.0EB in comparison to other engines/faults but not usually at such low mileage as the OPs, hence asking which engine.  I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually a 1.5 TDCI that missed the cam sprocket recall...

Hi Tom and all,

Just as I was getting relieved that I went for yet another diesel...🙄could you say more about the cam sprocket recall for 1.5 Tdcis?

12 hours ago, unofix said:

I couldn't in all good consciousness recommend a 1.0 ecoboost to anyone unless it was covered by a cast iron, no quibble, Ford warranty.

There are many tales of woe on this forum, spend a little time reading just a few of them before making your decision.

Decision is made! 
We considered (& tested) Pug 208.  Same things there: horror stories about the timing belt causing issues.  She quite liked it….
…but she had an ecoboost for over 3 years before it was stolen by druggies and written off…..absolutely loved it, no problems at all.

11 hours ago, TomsFocus said:

No modern engine is bulletproof...  You'll find horror stories about every engine if you look hard enough.

The reality is that the vast majority of 1.0EB are fine.  We do see a lot of wetbelt issues on the 1.0EB in comparison to other engines/faults but not usually at such low mileage as the OPs, hence asking which engine.  I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually a 1.5 TDCI that missed the cam sprocket recall...

I feel this is likely close to the mark.  It is clearly a big seller, there are high mileage examples out there, & I bet a lot of happy owners.

The one we are getting is 24k miles, 4 years old, 1 owner…..with full Ford service history (2 services!).

Fingers crossed 🤞

 

So: next question would be….which aftermarket warranty might be worth considering?  
I’ve always felt that once you are past the manufacturers, any extensions available will likely wheedle out of whatever any issue is🤷‍♂️  
I had looked at one (RAC, I think), which cost over £30pcm.   A few years of that and you’ve used money that could have dealt with many issues…..it is a bit of a lottery!

1 hour ago, mikeiow said:

Decision is made! 
We considered (& tested) Pug 208.  Same things there: horror stories about the timing belt causing issues.  She quite liked it….
…but she had an ecoboost for over 3 years before it was stolen by druggies and written off…..absolutely loved it, no problems at all.

I feel this is likely close to the mark.  It is clearly a big seller, there are high mileage examples out there, & I bet a lot of happy owners.

The one we are getting is 24k miles, 4 years old, 1 owner…..with full Ford service history (2 services!).

Fingers crossed 🤞

 

So: next question would be….which aftermarket warranty might be worth considering?  
I’ve always felt that once you are past the manufacturers, any extensions available will likely wheedle out of whatever any issue is🤷‍♂️  
I had looked at one (RAC, I think), which cost over £30pcm.   A few years of that and you’ve used money that could have dealt with many issues…..it is a bit of a lottery!

‘Aftermarket’ warranty’s are not worth the paper they are written on.There are always conditions attached,always.A lot of the time they will knock you back on things,or not cover the full cost(fact).Be very very cautious when purchasing one of these.Do your research on any one you are interested in.They also can be quite expensive,you have to way up the cost benefit & is it worthwhile.

11 hours ago, wordchild said:

Hi Tom and all,

Just as I was getting relieved that I went for yet another diesel...🙄could you say more about the cam sprocket recall for 1.5 Tdcis?

It's quite an old recall now so chances are yours will have had it done if it was required.  Essentially the sprocket could fail and take out the belt when it does.  Recall repair was a new sprocket, belt and possibly one or two other bits.  As with any recall, checking ETIS with your reg should show whether it's outstanding or not.

Thanks for that Tom - mine is a 2018 / 68-plate. I lost Etis access but will see if can reset password... 

1.0 EcoBoost Engine Problems and Reliability

The 1.0 EcoBoost engine got a bad reputation at the start of its life. But many issues were fixed and reliability was improved. Blown head gaskets and coolant leakages happen rarely. Many car owners report mileage of 80-100k miles without any engine problems. Together with its strong sides such as extremely low fuel consumption, high torque, and low emissions tax, the engine is a good choice in modern reality for a compact city hatchback or even bigger car.

 

full article:

https://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=131

8 hours ago, Hackney said:

‘Aftermarket’ warranty’s are not worth the paper they are written on.There are always conditions attached,always.A lot of the time they will knock you back on things,or not cover the full cost(fact).Be very very cautious when purchasing one of these.Do your research on any one you are interested in.They also can be quite expensive,you have to way up the cost benefit & is it worthwhile.

That was always my feelings on them.  That said, I did once pay for one for a couple of years on my Volvo (lot of tech in it!), & did claim for some electrical gubbins that broke ....but it was a ball ache.
The dealer had an RAC option which they suggested was not a less desirable "insurance backed" one (which I think WarrantyDirect, WarrantyWise, MotorEasy might be?).  Was about £1,300 for 4 years of cover (so a bit over £27pcm)......I do kind of feel they will still wheedle out of things, but he claimed you just take it to any VAT garage to deal with.   
Likely won't do anything.

More shocking was that I utterly failed to realise the car does not have a cruise control.   Has almost all the buttons.....

...but is a limiter, not cruise.   

I am slightly gutted I didn't spot that.....I've called one Ford dealer who said they cannot retrofit that to change it.   If anyone knows if that can be done (at a reasonable price), please let me know!
Daughter has an element of motorway driving most days, and that was kind of on the "must have" list.   Might have to live with it and perhaps chop the car in after 6 months (she would only be the second owner).  Grrr 🙄

Much gnashing of teeth and a rather flat feeling, when she should feel pleased with getting a car sorted.  Almost wish we had just gone for the Pug 208 we found online. 

We live & learn.   Today, I learned I haven't bought a secondhand car recently enough to properly check things 🤷🏼‍♂️ 

 

8 hours ago, TomsFocus said:

It's quite an old recall now so chances are yours will have had it done if it was required.  Essentially the sprocket could fail and take out the belt when it does.  Recall repair was a new sprocket, belt and possibly one or two other bits.  As with any recall, checking ETIS with your reg should show whether it's outstanding or not.

My 2015 1.5tdci did not show on Etis as needing recall. But it was around the same sort of age as some that were recalled. There is a post on this forum which showed a pic of the top sprocket shattered , not sure if it is on fiesta or focus forum. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that they knew what they were doing when they selected cars for recall and didn’t miss mine.it’s a bit worrying that we don’t really know why they were breaking eg one batch was made with the wrong metal?  Or didn’t undergo some part of heat strengthen process or quite what

 

7 hours ago, mikeiow said:

I utterly failed to realise the car does not have a cruise control. 

All might not be lost ........ Don't panic !!!!

If you were wanting "adaptive cruise control" that might be a stretch too far. However, if good old fashioned regular cruise control will do then it may be possible.

Many things on the car exist but are just not turned on, for example Auto Locking of the doors when the speed is approx above 12MPH.

I don't know for sure but I think it is possible to change the "speed limiter" to "cruise control" using the software FORScan. The steering wheel button pack will have to be changed so you have the extra button, but these can be found at scrapyards, or eBay for only a few pounds. There are quite a few guys on this forum who may know the answer and be able to tell you what needs to be done.

Just found this very useful guide for a Fiesta Mk7.5

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aqxke5tn8b9whhu/Activating cruise control.docx?dl=0&fbclid=IwAR12_BFIz_Yc8EKi2VP-JeIhO5BNkrP70o907BCykevSAHSTnkWL_mGePDE

Thanks for the words of encouragement - they are appreciated.

I think what I would need to find is a very qualified and competent auto-electrician capable of doing the work: that certainly isn't something I would take on myself!

That said, my fear is that if a Ford workshop won't take it on (citing concerns over safety, & reading your link, I see that this also involves disabling the airbag, etc - I can understand their reticence!), then it is likely beyond us getting done.    Easier to drive the car for a 6-12 months, and find one to a spec she wants.  Or longer, if she finds she doesn't miss the cruise control 🤷🏼‍♂️

My challenge was finding one in a very short timeframe - never a great place to be when car hunting.   Better to do it when we have time on our hands, & the luxury of not *needing* to find one!

If, however, anyone here is able to offer services to get this sorted at a reasonable price, I'm happy to receive a message to discuss!   Although we are in Leicestershire, she is in Manchester.

Well the easy alternative is just set the limiter and sit resting your foot down on the accelerator

Is the car a Mk7.5 or the Mk8 ?