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So whilst my nearest ford dealer 20 miles away quoted approx £1600 inc VAT for timing belt replacement, a garage down the road from me is looking into costs for doing the work themselves. Obviously being more conveniently placed, they do have a few queries.

Obviously having never done the job before they're asking me what I would like replaced. The main thread that pops up is the timing belt, but from what I understand, the oil belt should also be changed same time, and the tensioner as well.

I'm a bit out of my depth with regards to what actually needs doing as part of the 10 year service. I've had a quick look on the Euro car Parts website but they dont seem to stock any timing belt/kits matching my reg, so went to the Dayco website instead and there is all sorts of BIO belts matching various engine part numbers etc, out of my depth yes.

If any can confirm I do need oil belt and timing belt and tensioner, and what sort of websites you use to buy these just so I can point them in the right direction? Worst comes to it i'll  go to a ford dealer but this garage is the first one near me to actually make an effort to looking in to it.

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I assume you have the Ecoboost 1.0 which is due the wet timing belt change.

This is not the sort of job that should be considered by a small independent garage unless they are intending to be come specialists at this and do lots of them. To buy the correct tools needed will cost over £1000 and then of course the training or information needed to carry out the work. You won't find many general spares places stocking parts like the two belts as other than a few garages who have set up to do this work the only other people replacing the belts is Ford.

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Thanks chaps for the replies, yes probably better to do a ford service on this. Yes it's a 1.0.

I think a lot of independent garages will be losing business briefly next year then as I am a regular customer at mine, and may as well get the full service and MOT done same time. Obviously if they don't have the tools they can't do it but customers obviously need to go elsewhere.

Unless I get the belt done now and the usual service MOT etc done when it's due separately.

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You need to ask to have the Wet oil pump belt changed at the same time as the timing belt, not all garages will include that. It is also worth replacing the oil pump and also having the oil sump strainer checked and cleaned at the same time.

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52 minutes ago, unofix said:

You need to ask to have the Wet oil pump belt changed at the same time as the timing belt, not all garages will include that. It is also worth replacing the oil pump and also having the oil sump strainer checked and cleaned at the same time.

Cheers, may as well. After 10 years probably the water pump too unless that isn't as much of a mare to fix? Ford quoted an extra £150ish for that at the same time.

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Have a look on the Fiesta forum on here.  A chap is asking the same question and getting quotes from dealers of 850 ish.  Bit of confusion going on and the post is ongoing but worth a look.

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Whereabouts in the country are you ? There's a garage at Lincoln called EcoPro who specialise in this job on the 1.0 Ecoboost engine , I had a price for mine earlier in the year and it was around £650 +/- a few pound . 

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12 hours ago, Bxzx16v said:

Whereabouts in the country are you ? There's a garage at Lincoln called EcoPro who specialise in this job on the 1.0 Ecoboost engine , I had a price for mine earlier in the year and it was around £650 +/- a few pound . 

Peacehaven. I've asked CR Allen who do quite a lot of things, from remaps to bigger jobs. Quite a big place. Guess if a garage is going to do the job they've got to start somewhere 

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Sorry to bump this up again.

Another ford dealer near me has quoted £2000 for both the cambelt and oil belt (including water pump- which he said does need doing at the same time as it's on the front cover.

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He claims that the oil belt doesn't actually need doing after 10 years because it's "not under strain". 

At an extra £300 for an oil belt (claiming 4 hours extra work due to taking the sump off), am I right to think he's taking the *****?

Fron videos I've seen online you seemingly need to take the sump off anyway to access the crankshaft pulley for the cambelt change ? Can't say I've spent much time looking at it but my initial thought was both belts would have formed part of my initial £1600 quote, but it turns out not.

I can only assume these dealers are taking me for an idiot. You'd think I'd want the oil pump checked as well incase the belt has degraded in the oil and started clogging the pump.

He's going to send me a quote Monday, but for £2,000 I may as well let a local garage do the job and buy the tools they don't have myself...

Those that have got this job done - did you job include the oil and cam belts? And the water pump? He's basing the above quote on a job he supposedly did last week

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Well the price of £2000 is a new record as far as I know. Mostly the Ford price is between £1400 and £1500.

Does the water pump need replaced ? probably not. With traditional cam belt changes it was always good practice to replace the water pump, but on your engine, personally I wouldn't unless you have a problem.

1 hour ago, mburdett555 said:

He claims that the oil belt doesn't actually need doing after 10 years because it's "not under strain". 

Oh dear !!! What can I say?  The guy clearly seems to have missed the point that the oil pump belt is made of the same material as the timing belt. It has just as much chance of disintegrating due to age and exposure to oil contaminants as the main timing belt.

1 hour ago, mburdett555 said:

At an extra £300 for an oil belt (claiming 4 hours extra work due to taking the sump off), am I right to think he's taking the *****?

On this one the Guy is correct that it will take extra time (probably 2 to 3 hours) due to the need to remove part of the exhaust to enable the sump to be removed. This stage is not need to enable the timing belt to be replaced. In my opinion it would be prudent to get the oil pump belt and the oil pump replaced while such a major job as replacing the timing belt was been done. I would also recommend that the oil strainer be inspected and cleaned (or replaced).

1 hour ago, mburdett555 said:

I may as well let a local garage do the job and buy the tools they don't have myself...

You might not be so keen to buy the special tools when you learn they can cost around £1500 but you could always keep them and hire them out in the future.

I think you need to visit another Ford dealer and get a second quote.

 

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Special tools etc for changing the belts aside, is plonking in a new/second hand/refurbed engine less work of a job for an indie garage? Tempted to just run it until it snaps which could be another 5 years

Expensive, probably, but going back to my latest quote, another dealer did quote £1600 and that didn't mention anything about the oil belt so I fear that most dealers in my area are in fact going to be around the £2000 mark for both belts and water pump...

I'm sure there's a few second hand engines lying around that I could get put in cheap and it'll be more convenient for me if it doesn't require any special expensive tools as I have a good few trusted garages near me and some pretty expensive breakdown cover im paying for lol 

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1 hour ago, mburdett555 said:

Tempted to just run it until it snaps which could be another 5 years

I would agree with you !!

Provided you accept that it could fail at an inconvenient moment then running it until it goes 'boom' and then replacing the engine with a brand new one from Puma Speed (presently around £3000 fitted) would be a good solution.

I'd not waste money replacing the engine with a second hand one as the condition will most definitely be unknown. Then you would be crazy to fit the replacement with out replacing the wet belts first and so your back to where you started !

For Example: https://pumaspeed.co.uk/product-Brand-New-Ford-Service-10-EcoBoost-Engine_18898.jsp

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4 hours ago, mburdett555 said:

some pretty expensive breakdown cover im paying for lol

Bear in mind that if you choose not to comply with the service schedule, by not renewing the belts at the specified interval, you could find they won't pay out.

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33 minutes ago, mjt said:

Bear in mind that if you choose not to comply with the service schedule, by not renewing the belts at the specified interval, you could find they won't pay out.

Paying via Green Flag rescue plus so not expecting any sort of pay out. For £100+ a year they take me to a destination of my choice in the UK. Some things like tyres they'll only do a certain distance I think, but regardless of belt being changed or not, I think they still need to respect my choices re moving me and my car.

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If it helps anyone, Ford dealer in mid-Essex quoting £1564 inc VAT for cambelt, oil belt and water pump.

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2 minutes ago, alanfp said:

£1564 inc VAT for cambelt, oil belt and water pump.

Absolute bargain 🤣

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7 minutes ago, unofix said:

Absolute bargain 🤣

Indeed, on a car worth £4k - £5k! Though we know there is a lot of work involved.

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Will get an updated quote from my 2 other dealers. Saturdays one never bothered to call me back.

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21 hours ago, alanfp said:

If it helps anyone, Ford dealer in mid-Essex quoting £1564 inc VAT for cambelt, oil belt and water pump.

Please can you let me know which dealer? I'd like to see if my local will price match if I get a similar quote. I'm not far from essex and like @mburdett555i'm seeing some quotes also in the region of £2k.

Cheers

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Northwest Engines in Rochdale are an ecoboost specialist and charge £750 all in for cambelt/tensioner, oil pump belt, new oil pump, new water pump new oil and filter

 

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18 minutes ago, morton61 said:

Northwest Engines in Rochdale are an ecoboost specialist and charge £750 all in for cambelt/tensioner, oil pump belt, new oil pump, new water pump new oil and filter

 

Seems unusually cheap when you take into consideration the labour and parts, might be that they get so many they do more than one on the go

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On 11/17/2022 at 2:42 PM, mburdett555 said:

Seems unusually cheap when you take into consideration the labour and parts, might be that they get so many they do more than one on the go

They're an Ex-Formula 1 pit crew. The whole job takes less than 10 minutes 🤣

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7 minutes ago, mburdett555 said:

Seems unusually cheap when you take into consideration the labour and parts, might be that they get so many they do more than one on the go

they also do 2nd hand engines and refurbed engines as well seem to have a great rep !! I have no association with them just looking for an alternative to Ford dealers as mine is due a change now

 

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17 minutes ago, mburdett555 said:

Seems unusually cheap when you take into consideration the labour and parts, might be that they get so many they do more than one on the go

Yes, there's got to be some economies of scale to get that figure!

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