Good evening to all the forum ( forgive the bad English ). I own a Ford fiesta mk8 St200, which as standard mounts both steering wheel controls, sensors and rear view camera. I wanted to change the stock car radio to put a better one ( alpine, sony, pioneer ), the connections to put back the steering wheel controls and sensors are ok, but the problem is that I don't understand which cable is the one for the original rear view camera. I took apart the whole dashboard to access behind the instrument panel, but I don't understand which cable carries the video signal from the camera to the original ford display. Does anyone have an idea which one it is ?

Hi — figured this out on a Mk7.5 — it's possible to do the same but I'd need photos of the connectors you currently have, the part numbers of the dashboard screen you've removed, and ideally the same wiring diagram. I'm not sure on the differences in ICE design between the Mk7.5 and Mk8, but I can take an hour to investigate if you can send over the above.

1 hour ago, rubynerd said:

Ciao, l' ho capito su un Mk7.5  , è possibile fare lo stesso, ma avrei bisogno delle foto dei connettori che hai attualmente, dei numeri di parte dello schermo del cruscotto che hai rimosso e idealmente dello stesso schema elettrico. Non sono sicuro delle differenze nel design ICE tra Mk7.5 e Mk8, ma posso prendermi un'ora per indagare se puoi inviare quanto sopra.

Hi, I will take pictures of the various connectors tomorrow.

fiesta 19 r cam connector.pdf

21 hours ago, rubynerd said:

Hi — figured this out on a Mk7.5 — it's possible to do the same but I'd need photos of the connectors you currently have, the part numbers of the dashboard screen you've removed, and ideally the same wiring diagram. I'm not sure on the differences in ICE design between the Mk7.5 and Mk8, but I can take an hour to investigate if you can send over the above.

 

17 hours ago, Grisleigh said:

fiesta 19 r cam connector.pdf 184.96 kB · 1 download

hi, thank you for the picture you turned me. I guess this connector is located in the back of the car. is it possible to trace the cable where it goes ? although I guess it is that big connector you see in the picture I posted.

3 hours ago, Sconaus said:

hi, thank you for the picture you turned me. I guess this connector is located in the back of the car. is it possible to trace the cable where it goes ? although I guess it is that big connector you see in the picture I posted.

Is it a sync 3 unit? APIM

 

12 minutes ago, Grisleigh said:

Is it a sync 3 unit? APIM

 

https://pinoutguide.com/Car-Stereo-Ford-Volvo/Ford_2015-2020_Fusion_API_pinout.shtml

1 hour ago, Grisleigh said:

Is it a sync 3 unit? APIM

yes I have a sync 3

 

The apim pinout above should show the connections you refer too?

If you need other connection details let me know & I'll see if I can help 👍

11 hours ago, Grisleigh said:

The apim pinout above should show the connections you refer too?

If you need other connection details let me know & I'll see if I can help 👍

So should I take the video signal from the APIM 54 pin connector ? I got an alpine iLX-F903D, it has the video input with a yellow RCA. Is there an auxiliary connector that takes the video signal from the APIM connector ?  

I'm not sure, do you have the wiring diagram for your Alpine head unit?

is the rear Camera OEM or aftermarket? if its aftermarket it won't have a LIN connection, If it is then ideally the Head Unit is compatible?? There are several variables... Basically you need the "Camera+ & the "Camera -" and a switching power feed "Ideally triggered by the reversing switch (Gearbox not Light cluster?)"  & probably a permanent earth.

This is I imagine is dependant on the Head Unit required inputs?

There is very probably a Loom connector - conversion available (worth a look?)

The output on the loom I had for the Mk7.5 doesn't co-operate with the PAL/NTSC composite (yellow RCA) connector, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Mk8 is also doing something similar/funky enough composite won't work. I don't have an oscilloscope (yet!) to confirm what the camera is actually pushing out, but because it occasionally comes through in black-and-white, I'm thinking it's something analogue, archaic, and ancient.

On the Mk7.5/Sync 1, the camera comes into the FCDIM (screen module) not the APIM (under glovebox module) — @Sconaus what module is the bottom screenshot? Do you have a part number for it?

Also of note, the two connectors on the left-hand-side of the APIM pinout & bottom photo are Fakra/HSD connectors, which are used as camera connectors (GMSL2) in "modern" (the Mercedes A-Class I hired, which had the best quality reversing camera I've ever seen) cars. I'm really interested on what I can do to improve the quality of reversing camera in my Mk7.5, but short of building a new head unit myself, there's not much in the way of options right now.

I would think a OEM (Factory fit) should be fully compliant with all matching Ford Components but cross matching? 🤔😉😉Dunno

4 hours ago, Grisleigh said:

Non ne sono sicuro, hai lo schema elettrico della tua unità principale Alpine?

la fotocamera posteriore è OEM o aftermarket? se è aftermarket non avrà una connessione LIN, se lo è, allora idealmente l'unità principale è compatibile?? Ci sono diverse variabili... Fondamentalmente hai bisogno della "Telecamera+ e della "Telecamera -" e di un'alimentazione elettrica commutata "Idealmente attivata dall'interruttore di retromarcia (cambio non gruppo luci?)" e probabilmente una terra permanente.

Immagino che questo dipenda dagli input richiesti dall'unità principale?

Molto probabilmente c'è un connettore Loom - conversione disponibile (vale la pena dare un'occhiata?)

the rear camera is OEM. that's why I was trying to find out if there was an adapter like this to connect. in the description of these adapters it says that "Enables connection of an aftermarket NTSC camera to the vehicles OEM screen" basically it means that it doesn't fit the OEM camera, or am I reading it wrong ?

? Does that go from the Ford APIM Harness, Converting to suit your Alpine? if so, it should be a straight forward swap with no re-wiring? The additional RCA would be for an additional video input (Front camera possibly, Games console for rear occupants etc?)

That would be my understanding? somebody else here may know better

1 hour ago, rubynerd said:

L'uscita sul telaio che avevo per il Mk7.5 non coopera con il connettore composito PAL/NTSC (RCA giallo), quindi non sarei sorpreso se anche il Mk8 facesse qualcosa di simile/abbastanza originale. non funziona. Non ho un oscilloscopio (ancora!) per confermare ciò che la fotocamera sta effettivamente spingendo fuori, ma poiché a volte appare in bianco e nero, penso che sia qualcosa di analogico, arcaico e antico.

Sul Mk7.5/Sync 1, la fotocamera entra nell'FCDIM (modulo schermo) e non nell'APIM (sotto il modulo vano portaoggetti) —@Sconaus quale modulo è lo screenshot in basso? Hai un codice articolo per questo?

Da notare inoltre che i due connettori sul lato sinistro della piedinatura APIM e nella foto in basso sono connettori Fakra/HSD, che vengono utilizzati come connettori per fotocamera (GMSL2) in "moderno" (la Mercedes Classe A che ho noleggiato, che aveva la telecamera di retromarcia della migliore qualità che abbia mai visto) auto. Sono davvero interessato a cosa posso fare per migliorare la qualità della telecamera di retromarcia nel mio Mk7.5, ma a parte costruire io stesso una nuova unità principale, non ci sono molte opzioni in questo momento.

do you mean this unit ?

This a bit confusing, apparently your unit isn't SYNC 3 but is upgradeable with a suitable SYNC 3 APIM??

this is an excerpt that I have found:

Posted by

u/Twisted_Rathius

1 year ago

SYNC 3 + APIM Upgrade

I've recently bought a used Fiesta MK8 2017 and the infotainment display it has is the small one, non-touch screen. I was looking to upgrade it to SYNC 3 so I bought the 8" display without the APIM. The thing is I went to Ford and they told me that each display has a different APIM and that I should buy them as one as the product code for each one is different.

My question is: Can I buy the APIM separately? And if so, how can I know if it'll work with the display I bought?

The display I have: H1BT-18B955-HD The SYNC 3 display I bought and need the APIM for: K1BT-18B955-FC

 

This is the link, You may get more info here?

 

@Grisleigh ? Does that go from the Ford APIM Harness, Converting to suit your Alpine?

that's exactly what i can't understand. if only this cable is enough to connect everything i have solved my problem. But I can't find anything that explains whether this cable is only for connecting the aftermarker cameras to the OEM unit or it can also connect OEM rear view cameras to the aftermarker units. But from the way I interpolate it, my guess is that this cable gives the imput in this way :
* aftermarker rear view camera ->connection to this cable -> input to APIM unit -> connection from APIM to OEM screen

This throws any version of APIM you may have into confusion ref the wiring configuration?

I would go with the 

solution & just hardwire it directly to suit the Wiring diagram you have with your new Head Unit?

7 minutes ago, Grisleigh said:

Questo crea un po' di confusione, a quanto pare la tua unità non è SYNC 3 ma è aggiornabile con un APIM SYNC 3 adatto??

questo è un estratto che ho trovato:

Pubblicato da

u/Twisted_Rathius

1 anno fa

SYNC 3 + aggiornamento APIM

Recentemente ho acquistato una Fiesta MK8 2017 usata e il display di infotainment di cui dispone è quello piccolo, non touch screen. Volevo aggiornarlo a SYNC 3, quindi ho acquistato il display da 8" senza APIM. Il fatto è che sono andato da Ford e mi hanno detto che ogni display ha un APIM diverso e che avrei dovuto acquistarli come uno solo, come indica il codice prodotto perché ognuno è diverso.

La mia domanda è: posso acquistare l'APIM separatamente? E se sì, come posso sapere se funzionerà con il display che ho acquistato?

Il display che ho: H1BT-18B955-HD Il display SYNC 3 che ho acquistato e mi serve l'APIM per: K1BT-18B955-FC

 

Questo è il link, potresti avere maggiori informazioni qui?

 

OK, let's make a point. I bought my ford ST in 2019, it comes standard with the B&O entertainment system, including rear sensors, touch display and integrated nvigator/GPS. I understood this from when you wrote about the 'small screen unit, at which point I went to search with the search engine, and found the version I have that is touch and the basic version that is analog only. 

2 minutes ago, Sconaus said:

@Grisleigh ? Does that go from the Ford APIM Harness, Converting to suit your Alpine?

that's exactly what i can't understand. if only this cable is enough to connect everything i have solved my problem. But I can't find anything that explains whether this cable is only for connecting the aftermarker cameras to the OEM unit or it can also connect OEM rear view cameras to the aftermarker units. But from the way I interpolate it, my guess is that this cable gives the imput in this way :
* aftermarker rear view camera ->connection to this cable -> input to APIM unit -> connection from APIM to OEM screen

That sounds right, you should be able to rewire the OEM Camera but will loose some of its functionality? I.E. Zoom & Guide lines (the purpose of the LIN line)??

Those adaption connectors are available for approx £13... I would bite the Bullet & give it a go using the APIM harness Pinout 14 & 15 to connect to the adaptor I listed above for the input & see if the Can Bus will provide a reverse switch signal? (Should do) then you just need to power the camera

9 minutes ago, Grisleigh said:

Ciò crea confusione in qualsiasi versione di APIM in merito alla configurazione del cablaggio?

Io andrei con il 

soluzione e semplicemente cablarla direttamente per adattarla allo schema elettrico che hai con la tua nuova unità principale?

ok, so you say get the signal from the 54 pin WHT/GRN and BRN/VIO cable and then connect to the alpine unit as you pointed out in the post above, pointing me to the red and black ? if I can't do otherwise I think I will opt for this solution. 

I have only shown the wiring information that I have according to the details that you have given.... i do not have access to the after market wiring required for an Alpine Head Unit? I am just trying to assist & offer advice as to what I assume I would do, but without the Vehicle & Head Unit here with me, I am afraid that it is mainly guesswork - assumption & experience.

I hope you manage to work it out 👍

7 minutes ago, Grisleigh said:

That sounds right, you should be able to rewire the OEM Camera but will loose some of its functionality? I.E. Zoom & Guide lines (the purpose of the LIN line)??

Those adaption connectors are available for approx £13... I would bite the Bullet & give it a go using the APIM harness Pinout 14 & 15 to connect to the adaptor I listed above for the input & see if the Can Bus will provide a reverse switch signal? (Should do) then you just need to power the camera

Perfect. but i was thinking, the basic signal is already there because it is all connected to its original system. so theoretically i would only need the video signal, or am i doing something wrong ?