Haha, it's a great motor, would give you the fun back, but to be honest of you want the mondeo, go for the 2.2 titanium x version and oat to remove the dpf then you get the best of both worlds.

Is there not a £1000 fine for that though? Like the emissions go up, but you're still paying the lower tax rate?

Is there not a £1000 fine for that though? Like the emissions go up, but you're still paying the lower tax rate?

You pays your money and you takes your choice

You pays your money and you takes your choice

True but if the car had one from factory, and MOT finds it removed, it's and instant fail. Not sure what others do but it would I'd have to refit and remove it each time it was due for MOT or have a friend who's willing to look the other way...

This is interesting, do the M.O.T. centres know the DPF been taken off? I'd have a diesel tomorrow!! if I knew I could have the reliability of a petrol , is this possible??

As of Feb this year, they're supposed to check, yes. If a factory fitted DPF is removed it's an instant MOT failure.

That's a shame!, I'd save a fortune from what am hearing ( my mechanic son inlaw ) says there's tons of problems with DPF's hes fitted 2 to the same company car within 15months and it's a expensive job especially for Joe public like us,

DPF, Clutch, Injectors, EGR etc How many diesel problems do you want, I rarely see a petrol engine problem on these pages, ill stick to my petrol thanks.

Actually that's a good point!, me too

Dpf removal can and will pass an mot. This is because the mot station will check for the presence of the canister, if the canister is there and the dpf has just been gutted and sealed up they legally cannot take it apart. Therefore as long as you don't replace with a straight through pipe your fine. Blanking the egr and gutting the dpf can and will see the emissions CLEANER than with both.

People have had mot stations comment how the emissions are excellent without both.

Unless you leave a paper trail of dpf removal and leave the receipt in the car you have plausible deniability. Pay for the service in cash, destroy the receipt or hide it somewhere well and forget about it.

Clutch is going to go on all cars at the end of the day, dmf I believe can and is seen on petrols too to prevent extra unnecessary vibration, egr can be blanked and removed, injectors are probably the only serious issue but they are on mk3 but not mk4 that I have read yet. Granted it's more investment to complete these services, but, for better fuel economy, more grunt, longer lifespan, give me a diesel over a petrol any day.

Comparatively speaking, my kia ceed 1.6 petrol cost me 250 minimum a month in fuel, my 1.8 diesel mondeo costs me between 130 and 180 on average. This month it's cost me 110. Egr blank was a fiver, no dpf from factory and when I get it terracleaned it will be better still.

On the point of failed mot, in the event the dpf is found to be removed and you can convince the garage you had absolutely no knowledge of the removal (what's a dpf? I have never even heard of it) worst case scenario the garage may charge to refit the part, you can get them for about 180 quid for a used part or around 300 for a non oem.

Hi Jeebo, so I could get a 2.0 / 2.2 diesel Titanium X Sport Powershift and do the same? As I'd love all that grunt but with good mpg

Technically yes, you would need both the dpf removed and the egr both blanking and removing from the ECU. Basically it's electronically controlled above the 1.8 which means a blank plate would most likely set off the eml. Being real for a moment, you could be looking at 700 or the abouts in some places to have both done, but if they are done right...

I went for the 1.8 as I didn't have the capital to invest in removal, plus having never owned above a 1.6 it was a good next step, so it worked well for me, but honestly if I could get the 2.2 and get the removals done, I would and I wouldn't think twice about it.

That's great, my son-inlaw mechanic with a major bluechip garage and as spent 6 years in a apprenticeship with them and luckily he's able to service family vehicles as a perk , Uuuummmmm your've got me thinking now? Am not due a change for 12-15 months but definitely be looking at this option ! Many thanks ;-)

No worries as said you always take a risk with these modifications so be prepared to pay if it goes wrong but either way we have members who have passed mot tests with both removed.

Be warned though just putting superchips on may begger it up... Unless he can ensure the egr is not touched along with the dpf he should be fine. But you need to be wary that if you pay for both to be removed and deleted then he accidentally undoes it you may be without a leg...

OK, so 6 months on and I still haven't got a !Removed! car. I was set on getting a 2L petrol Zetec, but my many accounts, they're very thirsty for their performance. So, now I'm back at considering the 2.5T Titanium, from 57-08 era. I have these in mind, all of which are a good 150 miles from me, so I'd really appreciate any thoughts before I set off with my dad...

Full Sat Nav, 60k miles, but £7k...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201409307834531/sort/locasc/fuel-type/petrol/radius/1500/page/1/postcode/ne77rt/model/mondeo/maximum-age/up_to_8_years_old/maximum-mileage/up_to_70000_miles/price-to/7000/make/ford/keywords/2.5/usedcars/engine-size-cars/2l_to_2-5l/transmission/manual/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew?logcode=p

No Sat Nav, 64k miles, cheaper at £5800

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201412139628568/sort/locasc/fuel-type/petrol/radius/1500/page/1/postcode/ne77rt/model/mondeo/maximum-age/up_to_8_years_old/maximum-mileage/up_to_70000_miles/price-to/7000/make/ford/keywords/2.5/usedcars/engine-size-cars/2l_to_2-5l/transmission/manual/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew?logcode=p

Or this, No Sat Nav, 57k miles, £6000

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201410148203566/sort/locasc/fuel-type/petrol/radius/1500/page/1/postcode/ne77rt/model/mondeo/maximum-age/up_to_8_years_old/maximum-mileage/up_to_70000_miles/price-to/7000/make/ford/keywords/2.5/usedcars/engine-size-cars/2l_to_2-5l/transmission/manual/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew?logcode=p

What do you think? I factor in that I should easily get £500 off all three of those prices with a bit of bartering...

Have you considered ex fleet, I bought my 2010 (59) 2.0L Tit Petrol Estate 18 months ago for £4400, ok 127k on clock but immaculate condition and drove like new with full service history, wanted to start with clean sheet so new tyres and discs/pads all round although not needed immediately, since then only expenditure for one side light bulb and sailed thru last Mot, admitted consumption bad on the recent 3 mile cold morning journeys I do, but generally can achieve 35-40 mpg on mixed runs, but did achieve 65mpg once (most of my outbound trips are downhill for about 8 miles, only 35mpg on return, so cheating a little bit) overall I am still very happy with performance, consumption and comfort.

Incidently the consumption compares very much with our previous 2012 1.6 125ps focus Estate

Have you considered ex fleet, I bought my 2010 (59) 2.0L Tit Petrol Estate 18 months ago for £4400, ok 127k on clock but immaculate condition and drove like new with full service history, wanted to start with clean sheet so new tyres and discs/pads all round although not needed immediately, since then only expenditure for one side light bulb and sailed thru last Mot, admitted consumption bad on the recent 3 mile cold morning journeys I do, but generally can achieve 35-40 mpg on mixed runs, but did achieve 65mpg once (most of my outbound trips are downhill for about 8 miles, only 35mpg on return, so cheating a little bit) overall I am still very happy with performance, consumption and comfort.

Incidently the consumption compares very much with our previous 2012 1.6 125ps focus Estate

Thatnks for that but I don't want to go for a car that old. I'd rather spend a bit more and have a car that doesn't have as much risk of something going wrong on it soon if that makes sense.

Well, I am really confused, your last post said you were now looking at cars for 57-08 era ????.

the ones you listed were all 57 models.

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Sorry I was in a hurry when posted that. By old I meant mileage. 120k is too much for my liking, especially in a car that I'm going to want to keep a while...

Modern diesels will go on for 250k as long as they are cared for. I bought mine at just over 100 and ok it needs a little love but otherwise drives well. All I need for it is probably a glow plug or four and a thermostat housing and it's good for another year I hope.

Can the same be said for petrol though? Diesel is not practical for me due to the short hops and low annual mileage.

Most modern engines can do a lot more. It all depends on the care. I have seen petrol engines touch 180k personally. Hell I saw a Renault espace petrol tick to 220. Whatever car you get, treat it. Buy it a terraclean service, then give it a major service, then look after it as much as you can, and let a garage, or mechanic do what you can't.

Preventative maintenance is what keeps cars running. Reactive maintenance is what leads them to beer cans, or a recently discovered infestation to the motoring world griffins diseases.

The 2.0L petrol is a rugged engine, certainly have no worries on its future life, I had the same fears when I bought mine but the saving of probably £5k reassured me by being in my pocket for taking a possible gamble, I also took out green flag breakdown cover for £52 with free halfords £54 MOT for peace of mind and it passed with no advisers, I would imagine that anything that wears or needs changing is within the first 100k but a decent leased vehicle with recorded history shows that it gets everything done and serviced on time, which mine had with no major problems occurring, mine uses no oil, no rattles whatsoever and engine bay as clean as a whistle and I am still very pleased with it and no concerns whatsoever.

Couldn't agree more, mine had its dmf and clutch done at 60k and nothing else. I put a new battery on it at about 118k and I need to give it a good service, needs new glow plugs but these are the only 3 parts that really needed replacing. Oh and a very expensive 2 quid earth bolt lol....

The 2.0L petrol is a rugged engine, certainly have no worries on its future life, I had the same fears when I bought mine but the saving of probably £5k reassured me by being in my pocket for taking a possible gamble, I also took out green flag breakdown cover for £52 with free halfords £54 MOT for peace of mind and it passed with no advisers, I would imagine that anything that wears or needs changing is within the first 100k but a decent leased vehicle with recorded history shows that it gets everything done and serviced on time, which mine had with no major problems occurring, mine uses no oil, no rattles whatsoever and engine bay as clean as a whistle and I am still very pleased with it and no concerns whatsoever.

Good info, but after seeing the way a few friends of mine treat their lease cars, I personally will never go for an ex lease car. Just my opinion.

Basically, what I need to know is: is the 2.5T much thirstier than the 2L Zetec? If there's not that much in it, I know which engine I'd prefer. However, if the 2.5T is a lot worse than the already quite poor economy of the 2L zetec, I'll stick to the slower engine and save some cash...