25 minutes ago, unofix said:

......and maybe for other more personal reasons.

 

 

I lost my mam in that year too maybe due to covid but it wasn't checked for because of other family members who didn't want it to be recorded as that or maybe because of the way they was still if it came out that way 💩 would have seriously hit the fan. Sorry to hear your nephew was 1 of the blood clots victims ☹️

I didn't even know people were still being vaccinated against Covid !
Surely it should just be combined with the flu vaccine ? After all that's pretty much what Covid is by now isn't it ?

14 hours ago, doggsbody said:

I lost my mam in that year too maybe due to covid but it wasn't checked for because of other family members who didn't want it to be recorded as that or maybe because of the way they was still if it came out that way 💩 would have seriously hit the fan. Sorry to hear your nephew was 1 of the blood clots victims ☹️

My Dad died of Covid in Dec 2020, at the time I was obviously upset but also very frustrated as he'd only have had to last another month or two to be vaccinated.

However, he was 93 and his health was seriously beginning to fail, that was made worse by him trying to look after my Mum (who had dementia) with as little help as possible, so on reflection I do sometimes think it was for the best he went when he did and relatively quickly. Don't get me wrong I would have loved for him to have kept living more than anything in the world, but only if he'd had a decent quality of life.....
The thing that does upset me with hindsight is because my wife didn't want to catch Covid (or for our boy to get it*) she insisted I wear all the protective crap and keep my distance to a certain extent, which was the last thing I wanted to do. As he lay on his death bed (he died a day or so after) I wanted to give him a big long hug, I did manage a kiss on the forehead, but it wasn't the same through a soddin' mask.

What put much of this in context for me the other day was the realisation that because it's been about 5 years since the pandemic , and the average age of a Covid death was early 80s, the great majority of anyone saved from a Covid death (and the jury is out on just how many were saved) would actually be dead by now anyway.....

* not because we were in any way apprehensive about the danger to him (kids were at almost zero risk from Covid) but because it would have given us loads of problems having to isolate for a week, or whatever it was.

On 9/5/2025 at 1:45 PM, Justin Smith said:

My Dad died of Covid in Dec 2020, at the time I was obviously upset but also very frustrated as he'd only have had to last another month or two to be vaccinated.

However, he was 93 and his health was seriously beginning to fail, that was made worse by him trying to look after my Mum (who had dementia) with as little help as possible, so on reflection I do sometimes think it was for the best he went when he did and relatively quickly. Don't get me wrong I would have loved for him to have kept living more than anything in the world, but only if he'd had a decent quality of life.....
The thing that does upset me with hindsight is because my wife didn't want to catch Covid (or for our boy to get it*) she insisted I wear all the protective crap and keep my distance to a certain extent, which was the last thing I wanted to do. As he lay on his death bed (he died a day or so after) I wanted to give him a big long hug, I did manage a kiss on the forehead, but it wasn't the same through a soddin' mask.

What put much of this in context for me the other day was the realisation that because it's been about 5 years since the pandemic , and the average age of a Covid death was early 80s, the great majority of anyone saved from a Covid death (and the jury is out on just how many were saved) would actually be dead by now anyway.....

* not because we were in any way apprehensive about the danger to him (kids were at almost zero risk from Covid) but because it would have given us loads of problems having to isolate for a week, or whatever it was.

I think personally the covid jab was designed to weaken our system. So those like the old was most vulnerable to infections and the what l believe is an improved version of the flu ( youtube wuhan ) the video footage sneaked out the Oct before hand was definitely different to what we got or the area it was released by the American opps had a massively bad health rate because they were dropping like flies which made it look like a movie scene more than life. I can get where your dad came from with wanting to look after your mam as long possible himself well all feel like that when we have been with someone for so long, l can totally understand what you mean about it being better my mam had dementia ( it was a slow progress version ) to me I was more happier that she was asleep when she went and in the very early stages while she remembered a lot still, if the same ever happens to me l hope to go while I still remember everything and nobody ( like you and some the memory of not being known who they are ) that has to be even worse on top of just passing away. At that point of time during covid as much as l believed it can't be as bad as it was being made out l did exactly the same with my mam because l didn't want her to get anything and it was 3 days after l last saw her looking well that she went.

In the end we was taught a lesson we would do what is required to look after our closest when needed, years have passed and now we know the truth about it and we know to be more cautious about any other attempts at controlling us ( the monkey flu didn't work as they found ) we were all to wise to it so hopefully the gmo that was in the jab has now run it's course and passed ( l think new jabs will contain new improved versions) that will cause more problems. 

Just remember you, me and others did what we had to at the time because we thought it was right. We just can't let them do it again. 

On 9/6/2025 at 6:29 PM, doggsbody said:

we know to be more cautious about any other attempts at controlling us

Sadly, judging by the people I still debate with* over the rights and wrongs of the Covid suppression strategy, I do not think most people agree with you. If the Covid madness taught me anything it was that governments, even Tory ones, do not value personal freedom, and, even more worrying, a lot of people don't either. We live in an over sensitive world where anyone getting upset is the ultimate sin and it is prepared to give up freedoms in order to be "kept safe", and I am being even more cynical here, wants to virtue signal at how much it is prepared to give up "to protect others". Those types were blazing hypocrites anyway as they had minimal empathy for those of us at the end of our tether with all the suppression of society.

* in my experience people are more likely to be "still in favour of the Covid suppression strategy" when debating online, not so much face to face.....

I know one person who died during the Covid (did have the virus), one that pulled through (barely), and none to have died from the vaccines. I think by now the covid is basically just another cold.

What I can say from personal experience is that my body reacts really bad when an "unknown virus strain" enters it. And by unknown I mean that my immune system doesn't know it. I have switched countries a lot in the past 18 years, and every time I had at least one nasty cold. The worst I remember was the first time I relocated to another country. I got extremely ill (compared to what I was used to back home). After that, the next 5 years I spent in that country were without even a cold. This scenario repeated each time I relocated, but I was never as ill as that first time. My guess is that each country had a some kind of virus strain my body wasn't used to. All the natives had a running nose while I couldn't even stand up...

I guess, that the first Covid that hit us had similar impact on many people, and some died. Many die each year from the flu. Do vaccines work? For some people do. Do they have side effects? For some people they do. Can the side effects be really bad and cause death? Looks like yes.

I have a cousin who has quite a few health problems and she was told not to get the covid vaccine as it was very risky. More risky than the virus itself.

To be in favor or against a "suppression strategy" is probably anyone's choice. From a government point of view, there is no right answer. If the gov doesn't do anything the public opinion goes 'ooooh they let us die like rats. they want to control the numbers". if the gov does something then the public goes "they want to take our freedom away, put fear into us, control our minds".

No matter where I am, these two points of view are always present.

23 hours ago, RaduF86 said:

What I can say from personal experience is that my body reacts really bad when an "unknown virus strain" enters it. And by unknown I mean that my immune system doesn't know it. I have switched countries a lot in the past 18 years, and every time I had at least one nasty cold. The worst I remember was the first time I relocated to another country. I got extremely ill (compared to what I was used to back home). After that, the next 5 years I spent in that country were without even a cold. This scenario repeated each time I relocated, but I was never as ill as that first time. My guess is that each country had a some kind of virus strain my body wasn't used to. All the natives had a running nose while I couldn't even stand up...

The fact countries which had been exposed to SARS had a lower death rate supports your view. In fact there is evidence that SARS (a related but different Coronavirus) may have imparted a certain degree of immunity to Covid amongst some Asian countries. The obvious implication being that if that is the case with a different Coronavirus why would a different strain of the same Coronavirus suddenly stop pre-existing immunity (whether gained by infection or buy vaccination) ?

On 9/9/2025 at 2:25 PM, RaduF86 said:

To be in favor or against a "suppression strategy" is probably anyone's choice. From a government point of view, there is no right answer. If the gov doesn't do anything the public opinion goes 'ooooh they let us die like rats. they want to control the numbers". if the gov does something then the public goes "they want to take our freedom away, put fear into us, control our minds".

Once I discovered* that Covid was NOT indiscriminate, and 99% of people survived it, I was virulently opposed to the suppression strategy, particularly as I am essentially a libertarian who thinks people's freedoms should only be taken away if the case is utterly unassailable, which it never was in the case of Covid.

The government started the cycle of fear which made the Covid madness almost inevitable :

Government tells public they have to do XYZ (unprecedented restrictions in fact).
Public become fearful.
Government respond to the public's fear by increasing restrictions.
This makes the public even more fearful.
And so it goes on.

* And I discovered that on the 17 March 2020 (i.e. before the 1st lockdown on the 23rd) by reading table 1 on this article :
https://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51

9 hours ago, Justin Smith said:

Once I discovered* that Covid was NOT indiscriminate, and 99% of people survived it, I was virulently opposed to the suppression strategy, particularly as I am essentially a libertarian who thinks people's freedoms should only be taken away if the case is utterly unassailable, which it never was in the case of Covid.

The government started the cycle of fear which made the Covid madness almost inevitable :

Government tells public they have to do XYZ (unprecedented restrictions in fact).
Public become fearful.
Government respond to the public's fear by increasing restrictions.
This makes the public even more fearful.
And so it goes on.

* And I discovered that on the 17 March 2020 (i.e. before the 1st lockdown on the 23rd) by reading table 1 on this article :
https://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51

I would agree with you l don't believe that people's freedom should have been suppressed as much as it was. But as we came to find out for definite it was all just a control test to see how far we could be pushed and it worked well for the most. But now they know it wouldn't be so easy to do it again after all we know. So how would they get you to take it weather you like it or not ?

Digital id that's how.. it'll replace mo ey and everything that way they'll control everything down to if your allowed to eat because if anyone helped someone they have banned then they follow the same. It would so simple to implement they are way more advanced in tech than they make out they just need the right thing in place to use it and the Digital id is the final piece required because when money becomes obsolete what you going to use to buy things and everything that is bought will be registered by who and how much and how often.

On 9/6/2025 at 6:29 PM, doggsbody said:

I think personally the covid jab was designed to weaken our system

You do write some absolute rubbish on here!! This forum seems to have become populated by a lot of conspiracy theorists.

No it's just a debate, along with other stuff thats being mentioned, if it was rubbish n just a conspiracy theory why reply about it, it obviously got you attention to read through it all. Did you get the jab n if so what is the gmo that you got in your jab then since you obviously know more about this than me and others to be saying its just a conspiracy 🤔

13 hours ago, mjt said:

You do write some absolute rubbish on here!! This forum seems to have become populated by a lot of conspiracy theorists.

I don't like that phrase "conspiracy theorists" because it was often used during the Covid madness to smear people / organisations making perfectly legitimate points. And, I have to say, much of what many of those conspiracy theorists were saying proved to be correct in the end, or at least more correct than what we were being told (even officially) by the government :

29th March 2020 : Robert Jenrick (minister for Communities and Local Government) stated in the official government Covid briefing
"The virus is indiscriminate. It doesn’t matter who you are, where you are or how old you are". 

 

 

13 hours ago, doggsbody said:

if it was rubbish n just a conspiracy theory why reply about it

Because rubbish like this needs to be called out and since I spent over 30 years working for the Medical Research Council I think there's a fair chance I do know a lot more about it than you.

We've had our Covid jabs today. They've gone back to a Pfizer one which I guess is tweaked for the two latest variants. In the past we've had Pfizer and Moderna and never had any adverse reactions so hopefully we'll be fine this time as well.

Next week it's flu jabs.

5 hours ago, mjt said:

Next week it's flu jabs.

Same for us. My wife gets a Covid for reasons of reduced immunity, but this year I'm too young for one. Very long time since I was told I'm too young for anything!😀

53 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Same for us. My wife gets a Covid for reasons of reduced immunity, but this year I'm too young for one. Very long time since I was told I'm too young for anything!😀

As someone who was diagnosed with MS about 14 years ago and had to deal with a parent going through Alzheimer's and admission to a care home through the mad time that was COVID, I'm well aware of, and have taken advantage of, COVID jabs as well as a flu jab. 

This year I have been diagnosed with Prostate Cancer and Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia which are both prone to give you a weakened immune system, so I have been offered and have had the first dose of a Pneumonia jab and a Shingles vaccination. Got the flu jab in a couple of weeks time and the second doses of the pneumonia and shingles jab in November. 

I work with a chap who also has MS and has been off work for over 4 weeks with initially COVID and now pneumonia! 

So if my getting the vaccinations makes me a sheep, then Baaa! I'll take my chances, thank you! 

9 hours ago, mjt said:

Because rubbish like this needs to be called out and since I spent over 30 years working for the Medical Research Council I think there's a fair chance I do know a lot more about it than you.

We've had our Covid jabs today. They've gone back to a Pfizer one which I guess is tweaked for the two latest variants. In the past we've had Pfizer and Moderna and never had any adverse reactions so hopefully we'll be fine this time as well.

Next week it's flu jabs.

So if you have had 30 yrs experience in the field l would hope that you do know more than me on this kind of thing, but what your implying is that all the people that passed away after getting the covid jab was just coincidence then n the thousands like me who had an after affect was just coincidence too 🤔 

So do you know what the GMO is that was in the jabs because if not then you saying it's rubbish is of no use because on the government's website they state in there own word about it - ( not of public intrest ) how can it not be of our intrest when they jabbed thousands with it then gave the company's immunity from being sued.. l don't call that coincidence or rubbish it's a straight out cover up of something that was put in how ever many people without there consent.

Now if l was to start going with the tracker chip that was mentioned that l would say l think l might be loosing the plot but even l don't believe in that 1.. they don't need that.

I hope that all who still go with it still continues to be just as good as before l have no problem with people getting them it's 100% there choice there's no such thing as being a sheep as mentioned by Turvey. you do what you think is right for you l did at the time and completely refuse to continue it but that's my choice those who want to spout sheep don't say NO when they need ibuprofen or aspirin which could have anything..

11 hours ago, Justin Smith said:

I don't like that phrase "conspiracy theorists" because it was often used during the Covid madness to smear people / organisations making perfectly legitimate points. And, I have to say, much of what many of those conspiracy theorists were saying proved to be correct in the end, or at least more correct than what we were being told (even officially) by the government :

29th March 2020 : Robert Jenrick (minister for Communities and Local Government) stated in the official government Covid briefing
"The virus is indiscriminate. It doesn’t matter who you are, where you are or how old you are". 

 

 

It has very much a good bit been correct even some that l thought was a bit far fetched.. ***** hell that alex Jones proves a good about of what he says is true where most l think ( looney bin man ) 😂 conspiracies start from something sometimes the wrong thing but sometimes it's the right thing and it just takes a while to show.

I will never take an MRNA injection. Learning how it works and I am not liking what I am seeing. That they ever characterized it as a “vaccine” is reason enough to be concerned.              Dr. John Campbell has a very informative YouTube channel that has several videos about how the MRNA spike protein behaves in the body. View it and have your eyes opened!         I’m not a anti vaccine person by any means. But, MRNA gene therapy is not a vaccine. Anyone who has allergies should not have any kind of MRNA injection. Given the number of allergies I have had my whole life, I decided to avoid it because it could cause my immune system to attack me in myriad ways.

On 9/1/2022 at 6:36 PM, StephenFord said:

The public inquiry starts today on the governments handling of Covid. It has a budget of £120 Million, and a planned timescale of 4 years. Here's my predictions.

• It'll cost in excess of £500 Million
• It'll take 8 years till release
• Not one single minister (including the PM) will be found culpable of any wrong doing in the decision making of multiple lockdowns, or closing our education system
• Furlough attracted in excess of £8 Billion in fraudulent use, less than £1 Million, if that, will be recovered
• There will be no evidence whatsoever found of a cost/benefit analysis of lockdowns, and the economic aftermath it would cause.
• 'Following the science' was such a built in government mantra, that they actually forgot to follow the science.
• Comparisons with how other countries fared by not locking down, or not closing their schools (like Sweden) will not be made as it's just too embarrassing.
• The decision to squander £37 Billion on a failed  'track & trace' system will be swept under the carpet
• The impact that our own government has caused on our current economic situation, will just not be made.

See, I could do a proper report in about a week, and I'd only charge an amount to cover my winter fuel bill 🤣

 

I know it's an old thread, but the Covid inquiry has just been reported on, and I was wrong on many accounts!

The cost was a bargain at only £200 Million

It only took 3 years to compose.

However, everything else was pretty accurate! The report suggested we should have locked down quicker, and harder, totally ignoring the fact that Sweden, who did NOT lockdown had far fewer 'excess' deaths, and their economy wasn't f*cked up, whereas ours was totally destroyed. (Furlough alone cost upwards of £400 Billion!!)

Bottom line is that when your government legislates that when you're seated in a restaurant you don't have to wear a mask, but stand up, and by law you need to wear a mask. You just know that government hasn't a clue what they're doing.

I for one will never forgive the destruction of our liberties during this period, not by following the science, but by sticking your finger in the air and following which way the wind is blowing. The report is every bit a whitewash as predicted, and not only a shameful waste of our money, but also useless as a planning document for the future. Still, what else was expected?? .

 

I fear we may have to read the report itself to find out exactly what it actually says. I've seen contradictory comments - one suggesting earlier lockdown would have saved lives, another that lockdowns could have been avoided altogether if other action had been taken sooner.

How it's interpreted seems to depend on the positioning of the media doing the reporting on the left - right scale. From what I have seen so far though, the inquiry does not seem to have assessed the efficacy of the various measures - lockdown, distancing, masks, school closures, etc - but concentrated on timing.

 

30 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

I fear we may have to read the report itself to find out exactly what it actually says.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-reports-2025-to-2026-season/national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-report-20-november-2025-week-47

On 10/1/2025 at 12:13 PM, mjt said:

Because rubbish like this needs to be called out

I actually had to use ChatGPT to decipher and summarise some of the posts in this thread! 

And in response to copy and pasting one of the posts with "can you decipher and summarise this for me?", when the first sentence ChatGPT replies with is: Here’s a clear, neutral, and corrected summary of what the writer is trying to say, without endorsing any incorrect claims they made. I’ll also gently clarify where the original text contains misunderstandings about health or vaccines. I knew my hunch about the content was correct.

5 hours ago, StephenFord said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-reports-2025-to-2026-season/national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-report-20-november-2025-week-47

I think that's the regular flu/covid stats report?

The report from the Hallett Inquiry appears to be here:

https://covid19.public-inquiry.uk/documents/module-2-full-report/

and summary here:

https://covid19.public-inquiry.uk/documents/module-2-in-brief-report/

There's even an easy read version which looks like a "Janet and John" book from primary school for those of us of a certain age!

Post Covid America now has an almost 25% higher baseline death rate than we did before the pandemic and vax. That is not an insignificant increase! I remain unsatisfied with what has happened since the pandemic and lockdowns. There’s no reason to believe that the State and Federal governments will behave any differently. It was a disaster that is still causing problems. Economically, societally and culturally. I would be more comfortable if I knew that the government was unable to do anything, good or bad, in a future public health crisis. I dread the prospect of what they will try to achieve. I guess being subjected to psy ops, disinformation campaigns and bald faced lies will do that to a person.

One thing often ignored is a massive change in social culture in the UK post Covid. During furlough, people got paid 80% of their salary by the government to sit at home, watch TV, and do nothing. Many realised the futility of actually going out to work as they could easily manage on 80% salary to do nothing!

So many never did return to work, and this culture is now bankrupting our economy as many of those now claim spurious benefits to remain at home to watch NetFlix (other equally rubbish subscription channels are available) ...

The government truly shot themselves in the foot by legislating mass lockdown by not realising that paying people to do nothing would be so popular.