7 minutes ago, jr795 said:

I had that happen with the original ones using a 6 sided hex socket. Is there an alternative part that people use?

The original ones have the ability for the chrome cap to be taken off and then the steel nut under is a 19mm

I'm looking at using this set from Amazon. They can't be any worse than the last ones I fitted.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/MIKKUPPA-M12x1-5-Wheel-Lug-Nuts/dp/B081V9WKWZ/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1M78BA7CKGDU7&keywords=Ford+wheel+nuts&qid=1704127786&sprefix=ford+wheel+nuts%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-3

10 minutes ago, Neb_engineer said:

The original ones have the ability for the chrome cap to be taken off and then the steel nut under is a 19mm

Does that apply to the earlier ones too? (non-global). If so I'm not sure how the cap comes off, I have one that rounded where the cap comes off but that's because it's deformed, the ridges near the top of the cap sit in a groove on the steel nut so that they stay on I think

8 minutes ago, unofix said:

I'm looking at using this set from Amazon. They can't be any worse than the last ones I fitted.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/MIKKUPPA-M12x1-5-Wheel-Lug-Nuts/dp/B081V9WKWZ/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1M78BA7CKGDU7&keywords=Ford+wheel+nuts&qid=1704127786&sprefix=ford+wheel+nuts%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-3

Those look similar to the aftermarket ones I have on it now, although a different size. These are the ones I have: https://www.amazon.co.uk/SurePromise-Alloy-Floating-Captive-Washers/dp/B077TRVQVY?th=1

5 minutes ago, jr795 said:

Those look similar to the aftermarket ones I have on it now, although a different size

Well I'll let you know what there like, I've ordered a set for this Thursday.

12 minutes ago, jr795 said:

Does that apply to the earlier ones too? (non-global). If so I'm not sure how the cap comes off, I have one that rounded where the cap comes off but that's because it's deformed, the ridges near the top of the cap sit in a groove on the steel nut so that they stay on I think

If it does come off you will need to use a pair of pliers and pull or even peel of the chrome c

51 minutes ago, Neb_engineer said:

The original ones have the ability for the chrome cap to be taken off and then the steel nut under is a 19mm

*18mm.  The standard wrench won't undo them when the cap comes off.

I wouldn't recommend using the spinning washer type nuts.  They are meant to be torqued to a different setting than solid nuts.

I just used the genuine ones myself but appreciate they're expensive if you need a full set.

15 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

I wouldn't recommend using the spinning washer type nuts.  They are meant to be torqued to a different setting than solid nuts.

I just used the genuine ones myself but appreciate they're expensive if you need a full set.

Oh I didn't know that, I've just been doing them up to 110nm for 2+ years. The aftermarkets I have on it now are rusting so need to be changed anyway, I'm going to just buy a set of 16 and get rid of the lockers as you suggest.

Would you say those Febi ones are the best?

1 hour ago, jr795 said:

Oh I didn't know that, I've just been doing them up to 110nm for 2+ years. The aftermarkets I have on it now are rusting so need to be changed anyway, I'm going to just buy a set of 16 and get rid of the lockers as you suggest.

Would you say those Febi ones are the best?

Looks like you're right with that.  110Nm for spinning washer, 130Nm for one piece nuts.

Not sure if I ever had any Febi nuts.  Luckily I knew a few people working at Ford so got a good supply of brand new surplus nuts cheap.

Part number 1678260.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/393525337553?

1 hour ago, TomsFocus said:

110Nm for spinning washer, 130Nm for one piece nuts.

I think the standard one piece nuts are 110nm, the guides on this forum say so anyway (and the dreaded haynes manual)

 

1 hour ago, TomsFocus said:

Not sure if I ever had any Febi nuts.  Luckily I knew a few people working at Ford so got a good supply of brand new surplus nuts cheap.

Part number 1678260.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/393525337553?

Fair enough, thanks for the part number 🙂. Febi ones are a fair bit cheaper so I think I'll probably just go for those, I've heard good things about Febi Bilstein generally

5 hours ago, unofix said:

I've used those exact nuts on a 2010 Kuga with VERY poor results. I'd not use them again. When you try and loosen them after the wheels have been on for a long time, the silver cap (which doesn't come off) just rounds off and your socket spins. Perhaps it would be OK if using a 6 sided socket instead of a 12 pointed one.

Sorry meant to ask earlier, did you use the exact Febi ones I linked to or just that OEM design of wheel nut? (two piece with the cover).

One of the original ones covers did round for me so I'm hoping the Febi ones might be better quality and hopefully won't do it

1 hour ago, jr795 said:

did you use the exact Febi ones I linked to

Yes I used the same Febi ones that you had linked to. After only 4 years they have been nothing but a problem.

4 hours ago, TomsFocus said:

Part number 1678260.

I'm assuming they come and fit them for you at that price 🤣

Only £116.60 for a full set of wheel nuts. Should last a lifetime ........... but then they don't.

1 hour ago, unofix said:

Yes I used the same Febi ones that you had linked to. After only 4 years they have been nothing but a problem.

Damn that's a shame, as I say I've had some of the aftermarket ones on for 2 or 3 years now and they don't round but they have corroded to the point that I'd want to replace them even if the lockers hadn't become an issue. I'd be happy with 4 years out of the Febi ones to be fair (for the price) so I think I'll give them a go but cheers for the heads up mate.

I guess worst case if the covers do round you can just pull them off with some pliers and undo the 18mm underneath

12 hours ago, jr795 said:

I think the standard one piece nuts are 110nm, the guides on this forum say so anyway (and the dreaded haynes manual)

Does that specifically state one piece?  One piece on the Focus is definitely 130Nm.  Though may be less on a Fiesta.  But if that's the case, it makes me think the two-piece should probably be lower on the Fiesta as well. 🤔

 

**EDIT**

Torque specs are in the handbook.

Pre-facelift Mk7 - 110Nm. Wheels and Tyres - Technical Specifications (fordservicecontent.com)

Wheel type	Nm (Ib-ft)
All	110 (81)

 

Facelift Mk7 - (global nuts) - 135Nm. Wheels and Tyres - Technical Specifications (fordservicecontent.com)

Wheel Type	Nm (lb.ft)
All	135 Nm (100 lb.ft)

 

1 hour ago, TomsFocus said:

it makes me think the two-piece should probably be lower on the Fiesta as well. 🤔

Yeah if the difference is 20nm then I assume the spinning washer type nuts should be 90nm? I don't know, to be fair though at 110nm they seem to have been fine for a couple of years now so I think it probably doesn't make much difference

1 hour ago, jr795 said:

Yeah if the difference is 20nm then I assume the spinning washer type nuts should be 90nm? I don't know, to be fair though at 110nm they seem to have been fine for a couple of years now so I think it probably doesn't make much difference

It might be a percentage, rather than a straight 20Nm.  

Either way, it seems unnecessarily complicated.  As long as the wheels are remaining tight and not bending the hubs then I'm sure it's fine.

Garages never used to bother torquing them up anyway.  The original nut caps get wrecked by garages gunning them up with air tools.

2 hours ago, TomsFocus said:

Garages never used to bother torquing them up anyway

Never have myself 🫢, despite my engineering background and ownership of two suitable torque wrenches.

Finding the subject interesting though, perhaps the next time I have a wheel off I'll do a comparison between just using the Ford supplied wrench vs torque wrench.

Ps. Google is watching; just had an eBay ad for Febi nuts pop up on my screen 👁️

Just about to order a set of new nuts, noticed something strange. There are two parts on autodoc:

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/febi-bilstein/1885748

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/febi-bilstein/8008130

One is cheaper. Looking at Febi's partsfinder it seems that the cheaper one is sold in sets of 20, the more expensive one is just sold individually:

https://partsfinder.bilsteingroup.com/en/article/febi/46674

Is this just a case of Autodoc buying the set of 20 and splitting them up to sell individually for cheaper? Is there any difference between the two parts?

 

On 1/4/2024 at 9:12 PM, jr795 said:

Just about to order a set of new nuts, noticed something strange. There are two parts on autodoc:

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/febi-bilstein/1885748

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/febi-bilstein/8008130

One is cheaper. Looking at Febi's partsfinder it seems that the cheaper one is sold in sets of 20, the more expensive one is just sold individually:

https://partsfinder.bilsteingroup.com/en/article/febi/46674

Is this just a case of Autodoc buying the set of 20 and splitting them up to sell individually for cheaper? Is there any difference between the two parts?

 

In case anyone finds this thread in future, autodoc never got back to me but Febi confirmed they are the same part, just different quantities. So I bought the cheaper one and saved a bit of cash

I've just today fitted the ones I bought on Amazon. They seem decent quality but only time will tell. The 19mm socket was a good fit and they torqued up without any issues..

Unfortunately I have 6 of the old nuts stuck (4 on one wheel and 2 on another). The 19mm socket slips, and the 18mm is just to small. So it looks like a job for the weekend. I need to get the caps off and then I'll be able to use the 18mm socket to loosen the nuts.

6 minutes ago, unofix said:

Unfortunately I have 6 of the old nuts stuck (4 on one wheel and 2 on another).

It would seem this a common problem?

Having had all 4 alloys off the Ecoboom with no problem (except needing to encourage them off the hubs) I assumed it was a problem with overtightening or neglect. 

Can't imagine Unofix doing that 🤔😀

3 hours ago, unofix said:

I've just today fitted the ones I bought on Amazon. They seem decent quality but only time will tell. The 19mm socket was a good fit and they torqued up without any issues..

Unfortunately I have 6 of the old nuts stuck (4 on one wheel and 2 on another). The 19mm socket slips, and the 18mm is just to small. So it looks like a job for the weekend. I need to get the caps off and then I'll be able to use the 18mm socket to loosen the nuts.

12 point sockets on wheel nuts are not kind to the nuts, should always use 6 point (hexagonal) sockets to avoid rounding.

13 minutes ago, RL123 said:

should always use 6 point (hexagonal) sockets to avoid rounding.

Totally agree, but unfortunately my sockets are mostly 12 point. I'm considering getting a 18.5mm socket and seeing if I can get that on. Or spend the time and try and remove the caps. One way or another they "will" becoming off 🤣 

Halfords do the six sided 18 and 19 six point sockets for about £5 each.  The reversible ones on the aftermarket wheel wrenches don’t fit the torque wrench due to the length of the square drive on the wrench.