49 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

Fair enough.  I'll have a look on there tomorrow if it's publicly accessible.

Last time I checked, I found it was mostly just rants against Ford rather than a technical discussion about which components had failed and why.

I don't think we've had any failed oil pump belts on chain engines on this forum so far, so it seems odd that there should be so many on there.

I will have to modify my advice in future if these are becoming unreliable.  Though I'd need proof that it isn't being caused by incorrect oil or engine flush.  And that the resulting engine failure isn't being caused by the driver ignoring the oil pressure light.

I can save you a bit of time. If I type '2019' in the search, these are some of the results that come up:

I have a 2019 Ford Focus Vignale auto, 45,000 miles.

Ford serviced, in April the oil light came on. Had the car recovered to a local garage, £1880 and 3 months later, got the car back.

Two days ago got several notifications on my phone (ford app) service engine soon. My partner was driving the vehicle at the time. The engine timing has shifted, took it somewhere for a check over, and lo and behold the engine is ****ed.

I am beyond ***** off, it’s having a replacement engine fitted. Another £2.5k, and Ford don’t want to know!

This vehicle has the new 1l eco boost engine, one chain and one belt, how does 4 year old, £30,000 serviced car need an engine!

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Hello, I have a 2019 plate focus, it came up with an engine management light a couple weeks ago, otherwise running fine. The garage said diagnostics has said its the wet belt. It's gone be £1300 to put a new one in. I took it to ford dealer for its first service when I had it, then last year to an independent garage for service. I'm guessing Ford won't entertain me as I haven't went to ford dealership for last years service even though I always serive my cars yearly and never miss it? Thanks

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Hi all, sorry for the hefty post…

This is the response I had from Ford today on my engine failure my car has only done 40,000 miles & is a 19 plate with new model engine, I am absolutely devastated. They advised me to drive it knowing full well it was a danger & my engine failed on a 70mph dual carriage way resulting in the fire brigade having to drag it to safety. Ford are refusing any kind of help towards & I am sick to death of them getting away with it. We need to push for a recall & compensation to those who were/are out of pocket due to a fault that is clearly a manufacture fault! I have always had services & MOT on time & this just should not happen.

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My 2019 1.5 ecoboom focus picked up on number 1 cylinder after 19500miles, with no warning, just over 3.5 months out of warranty after a long drawn out battle ford eventually paid £4500 and I had to contribute £2800 for a new engine. Customer relations were a joke and ford would not confirm what caused the issue even though we all know. I'd never buy another ford, absolute junk.
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Just got a 2019 1.0 eco boost focus. Has anyone had any engine issues on this age vehicle? Literally had it 2 weeks yesterday and the eml is on.
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DIESEL: I have a 1.5 litre diesel ford focus 2019 plate. Without any warnings my car would not start. Running absolutely fine prior. Towed to a independent ford garage they have found that the chain has snapped. I am now waiting for the engine to be completly stripped down as to weather fords will contribute to the repair cost. Any information would be great. (£1k repair)
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Ecoboost 1.0 L 2019,oil pump drive belt.All teeth are gone nothing left

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My Ford eco boost has ‘wet belt disintegration and engine failure’ at 48,000 miles and is a 2019… I’ve serviced and cared for the car and have a £8,000 bill… am also fighting Ford for this!

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Morning ,

Here is my story and any advice or help would be great .

We have a 1.0 Eco- Boost ( Boom) Ford Focus 2019 .

Brought in from Ford with 20,000 on the clock back in March 22 .

Just over 3 weeks ago oil came on then EM light took it to my local garage who said take it back to Fords .

I have and I have been told it needs a new engine ( £5,995 ) it’s only done 37,000.

We have had it for 15 months and we have a 3 year warranty.

After nearly 4 weeks it’s still in Fords and we are still waiting on a assistance to decide on if I pay or the warranty .

Thank you

 

That's just 5-10 mins of copying and pasting scrolling through the 2019 cars, this is why I'm set on a Diesel. 

Thanks.  As expected, 90% rants, no technical diagnosis...

Buying a used car does not reset the engine to as-new condition.  Having owned a used car two weeks is not relevant.

The car having an RRP of £30,000 4 years before it broke is not relevant.

Having the car serviced by an independent garage is relevant and makes the likelihood of incorrect oil much higher.

If the timing has shifted that's potentially due to a failing chain tensioner.  (Oil pump belt alone can't change timing).  I would need to see some proper diagnosis for that.

The engine failing at 70mph without the driver being able to coast it off of the carriageway seems very odd.  Possibly poor observation skills and a missed oil pressure warning.

The oil pump belt with all teeth missing is the most interesting post there.  But doesn't say what caused it, so again not actually helpful.

You are welcome to choose whichever engine you like.  Funny thing is, when I first joined here, it was with the 1.6 TDCI (that has morphed over the years into the 1.5 EcoBlue) and everyone was saying how terrible the 1.6 TDCI was back then and that they should be avoided!  

I've just read someone mention that the 1.5 Ecoboost is chain oil belt until 2019.... that correct?

25 minutes ago, smr said:

I've just read someone mention that the 1.5 Ecoboost is chain oil belt until 2019.... that correct?

Sort of, it was driven from the Crankshaft as part of the Balance Shaft arrangement, no Wet Belt and I don't think it had a Chain either up until early January 2019 manufacturing date.

4 minutes ago, Tizer said:

Sort of, it was driven from the Crankshaft as part of the Balance Shaft arrangement, no Wet Belt and I don't it had a Chain either up until early January 2019 manufacturing date.

The 1.5 Ecoboost oil belt is a chain after Jan 2019?

24 minutes ago, smr said:

chain oil belt

Not sure what one of those is!

It does appear that the 1.5 3 cylinder built up to late February 2019 (I've seen slightly different dates mentioned) has a gear driven oil pump, after that, wet belt to drive the oil pump.

The only failure of an oil pump drive on this engine that I've seen reported so far, though, was of the drive gear on an early build Fiesta 1.5 ST.

Apparently the gear itself is not solid metal but has an elastomer insert which is what failed in that case. It seems that to replace the failed gear involved removing the cam chain, so no advantage over the belt driven oil pump it appears.

 

11 minutes ago, smr said:

The 1.5 Ecoboost oil belt is a chain after Jan 2019?

As already mentioned above, oil pump is gear driven up to (we believe) late February 2019 or thereabouts, from then on it is a wet belt.

Right ok, well they're as rare as the rocking horse proverbial anyway, 1.5 Ecoboosts before early 2019.

I'm undecided as to whether to buy the Diesel or the Ecoboost. The car would have to be automatic. I've heard the 1.0L isn't a great match with the 8 speed auto gearbox, do you know what's meant by that? I guess there is a 2L Ecoboost, but I'm just wondering whether to go with the Diesel 1.5 instead as there is no belt for the oil pump.

It's basically whichever is the most reliable, that's all I'm interested in. I'm not bothered about 0-60 in 8 seconds or pulling power. I'm just after the most reliable engine I can get.

I'm thinking with the 1.5 Ecoblue the only thing which could probably go wrong is the 7mm chain but shouldn't mean a complete engine replacement. The Diesel has a dry cam belt and no belt for the oil pump. Dry timing belt over chain I don't mind as they should last 10 years and I'd get it changed well before, probably around 8 years.

The Ecoboost - if the wet belt for the oil pump fails as I understand it can mean debris getting into the engine and wrecking it meaning a complete engine replacement.

Looking at a 1.5 Ecoblue 6 years old, only had two services, one at 35k and the other at 55k. Seller says the timing belt is being replaced and it'll have new oil.

I think the first interval should've been done at 2 years or 20k, not 4 years and 35k. Avoid?

If you go for a 1.5 EcoBoost pre-2019 you'll get independent rear suspension.  The 1.5 diesel never got proper rear suspension in Mk4, though it sounds like that might not bother you.

There isn't a 2.0 EcoBoost in Mk4 Focus in the UK.  The only 2.0 is the EcoBlue, with wetbelts.

Regarding the chain failing on the 1.5 EcoBlue - that could leave metal swarf and debris which will cause damage if it gets into bearings etc.  As said before, there isn't a totally reliable engine.  

Servicing on a 2018 1.5 EcoBlue is every 10k or 12 months.  (No adblue means the EGR has to work overtime which ultimately means more DPF regens and more oil contamination).  2 yearly servicing is for the EcoBoosts OR the Adblue models which weren't introduced until 2020.

My heart is saying ST Line X but my head is saying Ford Active. I absolutely love the Desert Island Blue and the Sporty profile etc. but I do Landscape Photography so travel around the UK and I know the Active would probably suit me a lot better. 

Anyone driven the Active and if so how is it ? I've driven an S-Max Titanium X before and really liked that car so I'd imagine I'd probably like the Active, even the standard Active Spec seems really well equipped and it's a lot cheaper than the ST Line. £14k gets a 10k mileage 2020 Active Ecoblue, and an 18/19 plate 50-60K ST Line X

I had an Active X Vignale Edition from brand new and hated it.  Somehow the suspension was both too rough over poor surfaces and too wallowy around corners or throttle/brakes.  Impressive feat tbf...  Sadly adaptive suspension was not an option on them.

I also had a Titanium X (non Active) which rode much better.  Still a bit rough on poor surfaces, but at least the body roll wasn't so severe.

Haven't driven an ST-Line X as the sports suspension and low profile tyres were never going to meet my comfort requirements.

It's probably time to stop reading and get a couple of test drives.

 

Couldn’t find a better thread for this! My mk4 was built summer 2019. A 69 plate. I’ve read focus built 2018 early 2019 had a wet timing belt. Later models having a chain. So if the turbo is at the back of the engine it’s a chain ? Otherwise it’s a wet belt ? First car I’ve had with a turbo…. I took a photo. Which is it? 

Advise was front or back. Mines on the ***** side !! lol 

Your turbo is at the back. But the front or back turbo location for chain is only for the 1.0. Not the 1.5. 

1 minute ago, alexp999 said:

Your turbo is at the back. But the front or back turbo location for chain is only for the 1.0. Not the 1.5. 

So the 1.5 has a wet timing belt? 

2 minutes ago, Alex.S said:

So the 1.5 has a wet timing belt? 

All 1.5 ecoboost in the mk4 are timing chain. It’s the oil pump that was being discussed above. 

Just now, alexp999 said:

All 1.5 ecoboost in the mk4 are timing chain. 

Didn’t know that Alex. 👍 I’m still bitter about the MLS lol 

I read an American article about the top ten most reliable Ford engines. Top of the list was the big V8 and V6 engines they have. The 1.5 ecoboost was in 5th place with a mention of the oil pump issue , the 1L ecoboost wasn’t on the list , neither was the ecoblue engines (I don’t think) I forget. It was probably published pre MHEV times , not sure. Too easy to read online then realise it was posted years ago !! 

Bronco sport has the 1.5 ecoboost in USA. 

6 minutes ago, Alex.S said:

the 1L ecoboost wasn’t on the list , neither was the ecoblue engines

The chances of any American buying the 1.0 Ecoboost is very slight 🤣 As regards diesel engines most don't even know that cars can have a diesel engine, they think it is only for big trucks.

17 minutes ago, unofix said:

The chances of any American buying the 1.0 Ecoboost is very slight 🤣 As regards diesel engines most don't even know that cars can have a diesel engine, they think it is only for big trucks.

I’ve been over a few times. Never driven though, I’ve got family there. Motors were just a means of getting from a to b in those days for me. But My sister’s Lincoln Navigator was pretty special tbh ! Made by Ford I think  

 

On 3/4/2024 at 8:00 PM, TomsFocus said:

Though I'd need proof that it isn't being caused by incorrect oil or engine flush.  And that the resulting engine failure isn't being caused by the driver ignoring the oil pressure light.

I came here from there.

At least one was "I've never had the car serviced....."

1 hour ago, tonycollinet said:

I came here from there.

At least one was "I've never had the car serviced....."

That doesn't surprise me.  

During the VW scandal a few years ago, may people were complaining of blown engines due to oil dilution.  They freely admitted to never checking the oil level as 'the dealership should check the level when it gets serviced'. 😮 

So if I were to look at the Focus 1.0 Automatics, what do you advise I look for... I'm guessing only consider buying based on the following criteria:

1. Full Main Dealer Service History (I'm guessing this is important as Ford won't have flushed the engine and will have used the correct oil specification for oil changes)

2. At which mileage would you recommend the wet belt for the oil pump is changed (I have read that this involves removing the timing chain and so is an expensive job - how much would it cost?) 

3. What maintenance does the gearbox require and when?

Any other things I should look out for? As mentioned reliability and not performance is important for me. It has to be automatic, 10 years of driving autos and I just can't go back to manual cars. I've read that the automatic gearbox isn't well suited to the 1.0L Ecoboost - why is that particularly ? 

I don't want to buy one if it's going to be at a mileage where the belt needs immediately replacing, but if all is ok and it has a FDSH with low mileage I may consider them as it makes car shopping a lot easier, there are hardly any diesels about.

Trim level I'd like the ST Line or ST Line X, tbh as long as it's got an automatic gearbox and in Desert Island Blue I'd be happy so part leather isn't a deal breaker nor the slightly smaller screen and wheels, I dare say the 17s make for a comfier drive.

Appreciate any advice.