Have you got the codes read correctly to see what the fault is?

Get yourself set up on FORScan and read the codes.

You may just need a sensor or you may need a cat

1 hour ago, Zippy020171 said:

Failed the MOT again!! 

I'm at a complete loss, I could 😭 

Same failure again?  Did you get a print-out showing the exact figures so we can see how far off it is?

2 hours ago, Zippy020171 said:

Failed the MOT again!! 

I'm at a complete loss, I could 😭 

 

its in this post by a few people near the start - if he's doing his job - it can't pass due to the EML bulb not functioning

as others ask, exactly what has the tester failed it on this time ?

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Zippy020171 said:

Failed the MOT again!!

Why are you surprised? If the EML doesn't work, we've all told you it's an MOT failure.

Why don't you tell us EXACTLY what the fail certificate states...

It didn't fail on the EML first time.  If it's gone back to the same tester I'd expect it not to fail on EML this time either.  Was only high CO content before.  I'm not entirely sure where the suggestion of faulty lambda sensors or missing EML has come from.

so back to the start - has the car just had a CAT sensor replaced (around 80 quid but might have robbed you for £150 plus 30 mins labour to fit ? )

From how I have read this thread - sounds like someone diagnosed it as faulty (quite normal / likely), and later in the thread seems to suggest it was just changed (good)

if so - is the engine management info coming out the ODBII port now happy ?

if yes - either

a) the CAT is dirty and might get happier but depends how much abuse it's had
b) as the light was got at - maybe someone knew the CAT died
c) if it was turbo'd I'd think the post suggesting it was remapped seems worth the effort of an expert sorting back to std - however if the cluster light test shows no EML - surely that failure mode is not driven from a nasty remap

a good MOT tester should know what the emission's of a focus with this engine normally look like - and should have offered a clue as to what he felt was going on

does the engine use any oil or water in month to month driving - a good one won't ?

 

 

 

2 hours ago, DaveT70 said:

Have you got the codes read correctly to see what the fault is?

Get yourself set up on FORScan and read the codes.

You may just need a sensor or you may need a cat

Yeah been read by my mechanic and the front lambda sensor was changed. Readings on the MOT are better but still failed.

Having the CAT changed now!

😞

 

2 hours ago, TomsFocus said:

Same failure again?  Did you get a print-out showing the exact figures so we can see how far off it is?

Yeah same failure. These are the readings from the 1st MOT.

The second MOT today (left paperwork in car with mechanic) shows the top one now 37 I think it was and the bottom one 34. They both need to be 20 apparently.

 

55 minutes ago, Botus said:

 

its in this post by a few people near the start - if he's doing his job - it can't pass due to the EML bulb not functioning

as others ask, exactly what has the tester failed it on this time ?

 

 

 

EML wasn't picked up by the MOT tester. Mechanic looking at it now to see if he can fix it whilst fitting a new CAT to hopefully get it through on the 3rd attempt.

 

 

59 minutes ago, Botus said:

 

its in this post by a few people near the start - if he's doing his job - it can't pass due to the EML bulb not functioning

as others ask, exactly what has the tester failed it on this time ?

 

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Zippy020171 said:

Yeah same failure. These are the readings from the 1st MOT.

The second MOT today (left paperwork in car with mechanic) shows the top one now 37 I think it was and the bottom one 34. They both need to be 20 apparently.

🤣 No mention of EML not working! Now, who started that rumour?? 😂

53 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

It didn't fail on the EML first time.  If it's gone back to the same tester I'd expect it not to fail on EML this time either.  Was only high CO content before.  I'm not entirely sure where the suggestion of faulty lambda sensors or missing EML has come from.

Yes same tester so not picked up the EML but mechanic looking at it now obviously. Front lambda sensor was changed as it showed as a problem on the mechanics box of tricks when he connected it to the car. EML if working would have shown this.

Yeah that CO is way off.  

HC's are much higher than I'd expect as well.  (Although within pass limits).

But lean lambda mixture so there should be plenty of oxygen to convert the CO into CO2.

I'm now not sure it's burning fully at the engine, before considering the cat.  Do you know when the spark plugs and air filter were last changed?

6 minutes ago, Zippy020171 said:

Yes same tester so not picked up the EML but mechanic looking at it now obviously. Front lambda sensor was changed as it showed as a problem on the mechanics box of tricks when he connected it to the car. EML if working would have shown this.

Maybe...  Lambda faults don't all trigger the EML.  You would need Forscan to check whether that particular fault had triggered the EML or not.  (Forscan will show whether EML triggered even if it doesn't show in the dash).

38 minutes ago, Botus said:

so back to the start - has the car just had a CAT sensor replaced (around 80 quid but might have robbed you for £150 plus 30 mins labour to fit ? )

From how I have read this thread - sounds like someone diagnosed it as faulty (quite normal / likely), and later in the thread seems to suggest it was just changed (good)

if so - is the engine management info coming out the ODBII port now happy ?

if yes - either

a) the CAT is dirty and might get happier but depends how much abuse it's had
b) as the light was got at - maybe someone knew the CAT died
c) if it was turbo'd I'd think the post suggesting it was remapped seems worth the effort of an expert sorting back to std - however if the cluster light test shows no EML - surely that failure mode is not driven from a nasty remap

a good MOT tester should know what the emission's of a focus with this engine normally look like - and should have offered a clue as to what he felt was going on

does the engine use any oil or water in month to month driving - a good one won't ?

 

 

 

Front lambda changed (invoice attached for recent works).

ODBII happy now as far as I know.

The CAT is now being changed £300 plus labour.

Not sure what to do about the EML at the moment, lets see what the mechanic says tomorrow I guess.

No oil and water used. Seems to run well and is very quiet. Runs even better after previous works, just the MOT to get through! 😞

Thanks again for your help 🙂 on this!

5 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

Yeah that CO is way off.  

HC's are much higher than I'd expect as well.  (Although within pass limits).

But lean lambda mixture so there should be plenty of oxygen to convert the CO into CO2.

I'm now not sure it's burning fully at the engine, before considering the cat.  Do you know when the spark plugs and air filter were last changed?

Changed on Saturday 8th Feb '25

35 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

🤣 No mention of EML not working! Now, who started that rumour?? 😂

it was never a rumour - and OP certainly should not tell the MOT tester - if he's too stupid to do his job - good

OP posted it failed again - but (at the time) hadn't provided info on why - all I was doing was mentioning a reason it should fail (never said - that was the cause)

1 hour ago, Botus said:

it was never a rumour - and OP certainly should not tell the MOT tester - if he's too stupid to do his job - good

OP posted it failed again - but (at the time) hadn't provided info on why - all I was doing was mentioning a reason it should fail (never said - that was the cause)

Hopefully we can get the EML light working!

It failed on the retest for the exhaust emissions (same issue)

Hopefully the new CAT will be the last of it.

He prays!

Anything else I shoud know?

its a 3 cy ford keep a eye on oil ad water regularly - and if its got a wet belt - get saving

15 minutes ago, Botus said:

its a 3 cy ford keep a eye on oil ad water regularly - and if its got a wet belt - get saving

what do you mean?

there are a few issues to look out for - a key one, to get a 20% increase in efficiency on what makes the camshaft go round they invented a good idea - except it wasn't - it was a terrible idea - along with other elements of the engine design - it could be wise to take out a warranty - it might save you a large amount of money

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Zippy020171 said:

Hopefully we can get the EML light working!

I'm going to say that there is at least a 90% chance the EML has been disabled in one of two ways. In both cases the instrument cluster will have been taken apart (which is probably why you have problems with the Rev counter).

Option 1: Some black electricians tape will have been put over the LED for the EML

Option 2: The LED for the EML will have been removed or broken.

Hope for option 1 as that's easy to fix. It's easy to fix option 2 if you have a new LED and can solder.

11 hours ago, Botus said:

there are a few issues to look out for - a key one, to get a 20% increase in efficiency on what makes the camshaft go round they invented a good idea - except it wasn't - it was a terrible idea - along with other elements of the engine design - it could be wise to take out a warranty - it might save you a large amount of money

 

 

 

Oil and water seem to be ok. The timing belt hasn't been changed the mechanic said, 7000-10000 miles left he said just by looking at it. Is that right? 

How do I go about taking out a warranty and what for and who with. Not something I am familiar with?

Thx

9 minutes ago, Zippy020171 said:

Oil and water seem to be ok. The timing belt hasn't been changed the mechanic said, 7000-10000 miles left he said just by looking at it. Is that right? 

How do I go about taking out a warranty and what for and who with. Not something I am familiar with?

Thx

Which engine is it?  The 1.0 EcoBoost belt is buried deep in the engine.  Not a 2 minute job to check.  It's also absolutely impossible to suggest 7-10k miles left on a belt from a visual inspection alone.  If it looks rough enough to put that sort of mileage on it, it needs changing asap.  Cost will be around £1000 at independent.

Places like WarrantyWise sell car warranties, but I would expect most of them not to pay out on a car that hasn't had the belt changed within Ford's recommended interval of 10 years.

23 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

Which engine is it?  The 1.0 EcoBoost belt is buried deep in the engine.  Not a 2 minute job to check.  It's also absolutely impossible to suggest 7-10k miles left on a belt from a visual inspection alone.  If it looks rough enough to put that sort of mileage on it, it needs changing asap.  Cost will be around £1000 at independent.

Places like WarrantyWise sell car warranties, but I would expect most of them not to pay out on a car that hasn't had the belt changed within Ford's recommended interval of 10 years.

Yeah it's the 1.0L eco boost engine.

How can the mechanic say that then? He didn't take the engine apart.

I can't afford the timing belt as well as all this other expense right now. Still need 3 tyres. Probably why the last person turned the EML off and sold the car to the crooked garage bloke I seem to have bought it off.

Not my best purchase, done in haste unfortunately! 😔