Industry in China suffers from the heavy oversight of the CCP. Products are produced because the state must provide employment. 
many of the hard decisions that are made in a market based economy are rendered invalid by the Party.

 

Loved this video.  Hadn't found a copy of Rowan Atkinson's recent article so v interesting to be taken through it by such a cheerful young chap (who drives a 24 year old Fiesta).

 

Depends which version of Rowan Atkinsons article you read. The original one that all the media jumped on has now been altered due to quite a few inaccuracies. He obviously didn't do his homework before releasing the article . 

6 hours ago, iantt said:

Depends which version of Rowan Atkinsons article you read. The original one that all the media jumped on has now been altered due to quite a few inaccuracies. He obviously didn't do his homework before releasing the article . 

Can you point me in the directions of these "jump-ons" ... i'd like to read them.

5 hours ago, Linds said:

Can you point me in the directions of these "jump-ons" ... i'd like to read them.

Nothing major but shows some articles are having to be altered afterwards to more accurately reflect the facts. 

There was a fact check response from another guardian article. How accurate that was we don't know either. 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/08/fact-check-why-rowan-atkinson-is-wrong-about-electric-vehicles

That's the trouble, every side of the debate come up with differing views and who knows who's right or wrong. I haven't a clue. 

3 minutes ago, iantt said:

every side of the debate come up with differing views and who knows who's right or wrong. I haven't a clue. 

Oh that's easy !!

If they agree with me they must be right 🤣

On 6/17/2023 at 9:11 PM, iantt said:

Nothing major but shows some articles are having to be altered afterwards to more accurately reflect the facts. 

As you say, "nothing major" but I am all for accuracy.  What you have kindly provided here confirms Rowan Atkinson should have perhaps been more precise in the language he used but seems to indicate his arguments were not so far out that, if redrafted, he would have been led to conclude differently.

On 6/17/2023 at 9:19 PM, iantt said:

There was a fact check response from another guardian article. How accurate that was we don't know either. 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/08/fact-check-why-rowan-atkinson-is-wrong-about-electric-vehicles

That's the trouble, every side of the debate come up with differing views and who knows who's right or wrong. I haven't a clue. 

Thank you for this ... I think that what Covid has taught me is that if articles come with the sniff of government, or big money interests about them then they should be viewed with a certain amount of scepticism.  This strikes me as one such article.

That said, everyone has a right to be heard.

On 6/17/2023 at 9:19 PM, iantt said:

That's the trouble, every side of the debate come up with differing views and who knows who's right or wrong. I haven't a clue. 

Absolutely. It's very hard to find comment from someone who isn't biased one way or the other.

Interesting that the Guardian article says Volvos (actually their Polestar subsidiary iirc) comments about the " emissions payback" time have been thoroughly debunked. I ask myself why a leading manufacturer/exponent of EVs would make such comments if they hadn't got their facts right?

Elsewhere it mentions that batteries will last for the life of the vehicle. Haven't we seen that claim made in respect of other components, e.g. wet belts?

I watched this Panorama episode recently which is still on i-Player and seemed pretty balanced:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001mwr2/panorama-electric-cars-is-it-time-to-buy

38 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Elsewhere it mentions that batteries will last for the life of the vehicle.

and indeed that in most cases will be true. When the battery fails the cost of replacement will be more than the vehicle is worth and therefore  by default the battery will have lasted the life of the vehicle.

2 minutes ago, unofix said:

and indeed that in most cases will be true. When the battery fails the cost of replacement will be more than the vehicle is worth and therefore  by default the battery will have lasted the life of the vehicle.

I suppose the same argument could then be made for the 'ecoboom' engine failures... the wet belt system lasted the life of the car LOL

Just now, StephenFord said:

the wet belt system lasted the life of the car

Yes, a point I've made many times before. Just like humans we are born with a heart that lasts a lifetime, but no manufactures warranty as to just how long  a 'lifetime' is. 🤔

4 minutes ago, unofix said:

Yes, a point I've made many times before. Just like humans we are born with a heart that lasts a lifetime, but no manufactures warranty as to just how long  a 'lifetime' is. 🤔

LOL, I know, I had the exact same conversation with my heart consultant who gave me a triple heart bypass complete with a mechanical heart valve 😂 He guaranteed the aortic valve for 'life'...

14 minutes ago, unofix said:

. Just like humans we are born with a heart that lasts a lifetime, but no manufactures warranty as to just how long  a 'lifetime' is

I thought we did get a 70 year manufacturers warranty (Psalm 90:10). Mine has expired anyway!😀

3 hours ago, StephenFord said:

I suppose the same argument could then be made for the 'ecoboom' engine failures... the wet belt system lasted the life of the car LOL

But you only got a 3 year warranty .

It will be interesting to see the various schemes to add profits to a charging station. I understand that you folk in England have a subscription app for a charger that actually adds in a parking fee of something like twenty five cents a minute in addition to the recharge of the battery!

 I believe that it will become quite clear, sooner rather than later, that the whole move to the battery vehicle is not about air quality. It’s about controlling and then eliminating your ability to move around freely!

2 hours ago, Scottman said:

that actually adds in a parking fee of something like twenty five cents a minute in addition to the recharge of the battery!

Now there's a trick that the crazy mayor of London, Sadiq Khan has missed !!!

He could impose a £10 parking charge on diesel vehicles while stopped at a garage to fill up. 🤣

I'm just going to drop him an e-mail now, I know he needs every penny he can get to prop up his woke dictatorial regime.

This parking fee sounds more like a scheme to rake up more money for the charging station. They are just pushing a higher cost to the end user.  The EV owner can easily find themselves in a bad situation. The charging station might have entered into an agreement with an adjacent business where they have paid nothing or a pittance for the space. The business looks at the charging station as a cost effective way to attract customers who may browse and buy while they wait.

I could see where they might not even be aware that the space that they practically gave away to a charging outfit is being pirated for even more revenue! That’s some kind of evil genius thinking! LoL.

4 minutes ago, Scottman said:

That’s some kind of evil genius thinking!

Oh so you know Sadiq Khan 🤣

I have read some articles! He genuinely despises the people of London. It’s almost like every morning he rolls out of bed, rubs his hands together and gleefully plots new ways to screw the city dwellers!

33 minutes ago, Scottman said:

... and gleefully plots new ways to screw the city dwellers!

There's a reason he drives around with a host of bodyguards inside a bomb proof/ bullet proof £500,000 Range Rover! (Apparently it is not ULEZ compliant, but I'm sure he raids the petty cash to pay any congestion charges 🤣)

Is the public mood finally catching up to the reality of 2030?

Daily Mail - Monday 3rd July 2023

51 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

Daily Mail - Monday 3rd July 2023

Thank goodness - you've not defected to The Guardian after all!😀

This car dealer often comes up with sensible comments - one in this link is pertinent to this thread:

https://www.luscombemotors.co.uk/news/robins-diary-158