Haven't seen a topic on this yet so thought i would start one.

The face lift focus is now on the Ford website and is configurable up to the St Line V model: https://www.ford.co.uk/cars/new-focus

 

Suspect the ST will follow, but strange they haven't included it right away like with the fiesta considering its only meant to be a face lift.

I thought the Vignale was dropped due to lack of sales.  Now there's a Titanium Vignale, Active Vignale and ST-Line Vignale!

 

Vignale as a stand alone spec no longer but may be  there using the vignale as an "X" spec previously or something along those lines. I'm not a spec expert. Unless I'm buying one I wouldn't know one trim from the next and what you get. 

11 minutes ago, iantt said:

Vignale as a stand alone spec no longer but may be  there using the vignale as an "X" spec previously or something along those lines. I'm not a spec expert. Unless I'm buying one I wouldn't know one trim from the next and what you get. 

Yeah that's exactly it.

Basically the specs are now poverty (Trend), sporty (ST-Line), comfort (Titanium) and rugged (Active).

All except the Trend come with the Vignale option to boost the luxury...so basically what the X used to mean.

Not a fan tbh, it's cheapened the Vignale name a bit by doing that.

That enormous dash screen has definitely stopped me going for another Focus anyway.  (Briefly considered swapping finance onto a facelift Titanium hatch).  Can't get a manual diesel either, don't want MHEV, so only option would be the basic 125 EcoBoost...eurgh...

 

How long does it take to deliver Focus after sending the order - any tips? I mean in times of chip shortages...

28 minutes ago, MartinCZ said:

How long does it take to deliver Focus after sending the order - any tips? I mean in times of chip shortages...

How longs a piece of string? 

I imagine ordering now, probably aug/sept delivery fingers crossed. 

Some manufacturers are quoting 16-20 weeks dependant on spec, but it will probably be even longer so middle/end of summer would be a good bet

Thanks for the tips, crossing fingers then...but could be worse - I have heard about 6 month too.

If I was to sign contract for one via ford privilege today,  the last date of having it registered is for delivery is end sept. So to have that in the terms must mean about that at latest I'm guessing. 

I understand some people love the idea of having a brand new car, but in the current climate we are in I just couldn't wait half a year plus for a car, I'd be too impatient 😄

I'll wait for the Titanium X Vignale Ghia trim to be available. 

3 hours ago, MartinCZ said:

How long does it take to deliver Focus after sending the order - any tips? I mean in times of chip shortages...

I was asking this in my local Peoples Ford dealership today, they advised some customers who ordered their cars in January 2020 are still waiting for their cars, it is looking like they won't be delivered until May!

I was expecting roughly 6 months as i only have 10 months left on my current finance agreement but they said minimum a year

This is in Liverpool Btw, it may be different in your region

Thanks for sharing the info.
Here in Czech Republic I was told 6 month but it may differ both ways they said (I suspect, that they have no clue...).
Also I have heard that Ford has some problems with the chips for lights - not sure if that can affect it in terms of another delivery prolongation.

I spoke with a dealer today (UK) who quoted me 6 months. Not sure I believe them but there it is.

Thinking about ordering one to replace my 2011 Fiesta (in need of a bit more space). As you can imagine I’m quite behind on car tech stuff, what trims/engines (would be petrol)/options do the good people here recommend as worth the upgrade price?

3 minutes ago, Jibberish333 said:

what trims/engines (would be petrol)/options

Petrol engine you have a choice of ............ 1.0 three cylinder Ecoboost, which only runs on 2 cylinders for some of the time.

Trim level, everything has been down spec'd so even the Titanium X is more like a poverty model. A drivers seat and a steering wheel is still included as standard but not sure for how much longer.

I think Ford are just about to throw the towel in and walk away from Europe. The tree huggers have forced car manufacturing to the point of extinction.

Anyhow, I wish you good luck with your new car whatever you decide to go with 👍 

Jibberish333: It depends on many factors...
Are you looking just for the Focus or not? (There are many competitors - Ceed, i30, Golf, Octavia, Leon, 308, Astra, Corolla...)

I am always looking at the best price to performance ratio - for example here in Czechia, Golf, Leon and Octavia are more expensive than Focus so I was not interested.
I didnt like a lack of space for rear passengers, so I have excluded 308 and Astra.
And even that Ceed was tempting and a little bit cheaper, I preferred Focus...somehow more desirable for me.

And yes, I have gone for poverty 😄 -> 1.0 Petrol 92kw Trend edition (that means that older 8 inch screen - I think that this is not possible in UK) - We have here this trim without that battery (which I absolutely dont need) under the seat, so I am waiting those 6M now 🙂 

10 hours ago, Jibberish333 said:

I spoke with a dealer today (UK) who quoted me 6 months. Not sure I believe them but there it is.

Thinking about ordering one to replace my 2011 Fiesta (in need of a bit more space). As you can imagine I’m quite behind on car tech stuff, what trims/engines (would be petrol)/options do the good people here recommend as worth the upgrade price?

The Ford 'build & price' section of the website helps you compare trims.  Essentially you have to choose between sporty, comfortable or SUV...then decide if you want to pay a little extra for the Vignale additions on top.  Also bear in mind it may be cheaper to choose a lower spec model and just add one or two options instead of going for the whole Vignale trim with extras that you may not want.

On 1/28/2022 at 9:04 PM, TomsFocus said:

Yeah that's exactly it.

Basically the specs are now poverty (Trend), sporty (ST-Line), comfort (Titanium) and rugged (Active).

All except the Trend come with the Vignale option to boost the luxury...so basically what the X used to mean.

Not a fan tbh, it's cheapened the Vignale name a bit by doing that.

That enormous dash screen has definitely stopped me going for another Focus anyway.  (Briefly considered swapping finance onto a facelift Titanium hatch).  Can't get a manual diesel either, don't want MHEV, so only option would be the basic 125 EcoBoost...eurgh...

 

The mhev is quite good and for real much better than the normal ecoboost without any disadvantages. 
 

the mhev one has a smoother idle and at low rpms you get a little help with electric torque when you push hard. Win win

 

also the part that i love most is that the electric motor helps you decelerate even more than a diesel car!! You'll notice that the little break press is no longer done as the car decelerates enough. Marvellous!

49 minutes ago, ford focus 155 active said:

The mhev is quite good and for real much better than the normal ecoboost without any disadvantages. 
 

the mhev one has a smoother idle and at low rpms you get a little help with electric torque when you push hard. Win win

 

also the part that i love most is that the electric motor helps you decelerate even more than a diesel car!! You'll notice that the little break press is no longer done as the car decelerates enough. Marvellous!

I have an MHEV and hate it...  The idle is awful, and when transmitted through the solid Vignale leathers, shakes my eyeballs out!  And as you say it's very intrusive with the regeneration under lift off...  I need to be able to control the car, not have it jerking about when it feels like it.  If my body could manage unexpected jerking I'd be driving an auto...or taking a Taxi...

I am glad you like yours though.  I'm well aware that the real problem here is my body, not the car itself!  

1 hour ago, TomsFocus said:

I have an MHEV and hate it...  The idle is awful, and when transmitted through the solid Vignale leathers, shakes my eyeballs out!  And as you say it's very intrusive with the regeneration under lift off...  I need to be able to control the car, not have it jerking about when it feels like it.  If my body could manage unexpected jerking I'd be driving an auto...or taking a Taxi...

I am glad you like yours though.  I'm well aware that the real problem here is my body, not the car itself!  

Actually your problem is your throttle control. Not your body. What you describe to me is what i felt when i first drove the car. In 500km I already managed to know how much throttle i need to apply so the system doesn't Regenerate break. If you press really slightly the throttle it doesn't kick regenerative  breaking. If you are in neutral the regenerative breaking is impossible to work as the motor is decoupled from the transmission.  
 

i don't know about your car but comparing the 3 mhev cars that i drove and my focus all had the smoothest IDLE i have experienced from a 3 cylinder engine. Almost no rattle and shaking. This compared to a regular ecoboost feels like comparing a diesel 4 cylinder car to a 6 cylinder petrol one. 
 

if it shakes when idling go to ford because something is broken. 
 

thank you for your response 🌞. Have a nice drive 

5 hours ago, ford focus 155 active said:

Actually your problem is your throttle control. Not your body. What you describe to me is what i felt when i first drove the car. In 500km I already managed to know how much throttle i need to apply so the system doesn't Regenerate break. If you press really slightly the throttle it doesn't kick regenerative  breaking. If you are in neutral the regenerative breaking is impossible to work as the motor is decoupled from the transmission.  
 

i don't know about your car but comparing the 3 mhev cars that i drove and my focus all had the smoothest IDLE i have experienced from a 3 cylinder engine. Almost no rattle and shaking. This compared to a regular ecoboost feels like comparing a diesel 4 cylinder car to a 6 cylinder petrol one. 
 

if it shakes when idling go to ford because something is broken. 
 

thank you for your response 🌞. Have a nice drive 

The problem is definitely my body...but that doesn't mean it isn't also the car!

You may be right about the throttle control.  I use cruise control for 90% of the time (again, due to my dodgy body lol).  But Ford have ruined that on the Mk4!  I used to drop a gear for a junction without touching throttle or brake, just press the clutch, drop to 3rd then gently lift the clutch for a very smooth transition and gentle deceleration.  No longer possible now they've stopped the clutch-cancel on the Mk4.  I'd have to brake or press cancel on the steering wheel when approaching the junction, which is one of the scenarios when the brake regen cuts hard and jolts the car.  I know the VW group cruise is also set up like that now, so I may never find another suitable car and will have to change my whole driving style and rarely use the cruise control.

With regards to the idle vibrations, I've asked on here a few times whether it's normal or not.  But I'm not comparing to a normal 1.0 EcoBoost...I had one of those 4 years ago and hated it so much that within a week I went back to my lovely smooth, torquey diesel Golf...no vibrations at all transmitted through the cabin in the Golf.  The seats, chassis and engine mounts must all make a difference there as the 2.0 TDI idle isn't exactly smooth when you see it under the bonnet!

14 hours ago, TomsFocus said:

I used to drop a gear for a junction without touching throttle or brake, just press the clutch, drop to 3rd then gently lift the clutch for a very smooth transition and gentle deceleration

That's exactly what I do in the MK3 Tom. I can't imagine what possible reason they have for deleting the clutch-cancel. From what I've read about the later models I'm more determined than ever to hang on to our old ones, even though I'm going to be hit with a big bill for a wetbelt change this year.

Thanks everyone who’s replied so far. The information is really helpful.

On 2/4/2022 at 6:57 AM, MartinCZ said:

Are you looking just for the Focus or not? (There are many competitors - Ceed, i30, Golf, Octavia, Leon, 308, Astra, Corolla...)

I have considered a few different models (although not all the ones listed). My shortlist has ended up at the Leon and Focus (which spec for spec here in the UK seem to be about the same price, both a little cheaper than the golf). I was leaning towards the Focus purely because I’ve had nothing but good experiences with my little Fiesta but reading on here maybe the new Fords aren’t quite as good?

On 2/4/2022 at 9:41 AM, TomsFocus said:

The Ford 'build & price' section of the website helps you compare trims.  Essentially you have to choose between sporty, comfortable or SUV...then decide if you want to pay a little extra for the Vignale additions on top.  Also bear in mind it may be cheaper to choose a lower spec model and just add one or two options instead of going for the whole Vignale trim with extras that you may not want.

Thanks for this, I had a proper look and it really is quite comprehensive and much easier than some manufactures build sections I’ve looked at. I don’t think I’d go for the Vignale spec (they seem a bit pricey for me) and titanium seems like my sweet spot (I quite like look of the upgrades Sync 4 screen).

Does anyone here have any experience with the Ford adaptive cruise? I’ve seen mixed things that some systems are pretty good and some a bit jerky but not much on the Ford one.

On 2/4/2022 at 11:04 AM, ford focus 155 active said:

The mhev is quite good and for real much better than the normal ecoboost without any disadvantages. 
 

the mhev one has a smoother idle and at low rpms you get a little help with electric torque when you push hard. Win win

 

also the part that i love most is that the electric motor helps you decelerate even more than a diesel car!! You'll notice that the little break press is no longer done as the car decelerates enough. Marvellous!

23 hours ago, TomsFocus said:

I have an MHEV and hate it...  The idle is awful, and when transmitted through the solid Vignale leathers, shakes my eyeballs out!  And as you say it's very intrusive with the regeneration under lift off...  I need to be able to control the car, not have it jerking about when it feels like it.  If my body could manage unexpected jerking I'd be driving an auto...or taking a Taxi...

I am glad you like yours though.  I'm well aware that the real problem here is my body, not the car itself!  

Interesting to hear conflicting thoughts on the MHEV modes. I might see if my local Ford dealer has a vehicle with one I can test drive to get gauge how I feel. I’m sure MHEV or not though they will be both be a huge improvement on my 1.2 fiesta petrol.

46 minutes ago, mjt said:

That's exactly what I do in the MK3 Tom. I can't imagine what possible reason they have for deleting the clutch-cancel. From what I've read about the later models I'm more determined than ever to hang on to our old ones, even though I'm going to be hit with a big bill for a wetbelt change this year.

I can't understand it either.  It seems to be part of the adaptive cruise functionality but I have no idea why it's also implemented on non-adaptive spec Ford models.  Or why it's not an option that could be changed in the dash menu.  After all, it's a convenience feature rather than a safety feature so there shouldn't be any legal issues.  I was hoping to find that it could be disabled on the Mk7/8 Golf using VCDS but haven't found anything online suggesting that it can be yet.  I did find this thread interesting though...totally opposing views of cruise control usage.  Clutch doesn't disable Cruise Control (?) | VW Vortex - Volkswagen Forum

42 minutes ago, Jibberish333 said:

I was leaning towards the Focus purely because I’ve had nothing but good experiences with my little Fiesta but reading on here maybe the new Fords aren’t quite as good?

Interesting to hear conflicting thoughts on the MHEV modes. I might see if my local Ford dealer has a vehicle with one I can test drive to get gauge how I feel. I’m sure MHEV or not though they will be both be a huge improvement on my 1.2 fiesta petrol.

It depends what you're after from a car but in my experience the newer Focus's aren't as good as the Mk2.5 was.  The mistake I made (several times now!) was assuming they could only make them better as time went on...  The Mk3 was disappointing (had a 1.6 TDCI & 1.0 EB Titaniums) and the Mk4 even more so (had a 1.5EB TitX and 1.0 155 MHEV Active).  However, the latest generation of Golf/Leon seem to be worse than the previous generation as well.  I guess that's 'progress' though!

Again, don't just assume that any newer engine must be better than yours.  Faster, yes!  More economical, maybe.  But modern engines seem to have lost the refinement, ease of driveability and general 'solid' feeling of 2000's engines.  Emissions regs and cost cutting are at least partly to blame for that.