I know every person is not the same regarding changing cars , but as I said in my above message  , I have been offered £7900 for my 8 Yr old ecco boost. I have been told its better to have the belt changed early rather than leave it untill the last moment so I am thinking of having it done at the same point as its next Mot. Does any one else think its worth doing ,  at the prices quoted ( 1500 ) or would you change the car?

If someone's offering £8k for a 14 plate Fiesta then I'd take that and buy something else personally!  But of course that only works if there's something else suitable for you and available the time.

If you do have the belt done at £1500, you'd really need to be intending to keep the car for another 5+ years at least imo.

Thanks  Tom for your reply. Because I'm  retired my mileage is very low,  last year  i only did 2500 so if I did get it done my mileage would only be about about 10k in the next 5 years

42 minutes ago, aot871 said:

my mileage is very low,  last year  i only did 2500 so if I did get it done my mileage would only be about about 10k in the next 5 years

In my opinion just take the risk and save your money. Change the oil at least once a year and by 2032 the cost of filling the tank will be more than the value of the car !

Partners car is on 78k and 6yrs old. At 100k or 8-9 yrs it's getting sold on. I'm not doing an ecoboost timing belt. 

Luckily she now works from home instead of her 70mile round trip to work. So we could just sell the car . Her daughter's Peugeot tin can is sat outside too not getting used. My Mondeo will soon be sat there too when weather is better for biking to work and back. (and no I don't mean pushbike) 

22 minutes ago, unofix said:

In my opinion just take the risk and save your money. Change the oil at least once a year and by 2032 the cost of filling the tank will be more than the value of the car !

As I said earlier in this thread, rubber has a shelf life, even if you keep the mileage low the rubber timing belt will still get brittle at 10 years, even if it doesn't snap on you immediately, it will more than likely start flaking and clogging the oil pickup leading to oil starvation

1 hour ago, aot871 said:

Thanks  Tom for your reply. Because I'm  retired my mileage is very low,  last year  i only did 2500 so if I did get it done my mileage would only be about about 10k in the next 5 years

In that case, I'd recommend looking for something with a lifetime chain instead of a belt.  Suzuki Swift for example.  

Some chain driven engines also have common faults (generally tensioner faults) so you do need to do a bit of reliability research.  But as has been said above, belts degrade over time regardless of mileage, so a chain drive is usually better for low mileage users.

10 hours ago, TomsFocus said:

Most indy's over here won't touch them due to their reputation.  As with yours, I doubt the majority will ever be changed.  By 10 years old it's just not worth the cost.

If mine goes, the car will be gone,period.I won’t even have it replaced @ the scheduled period, just not worth it economically.

Luckily my partner's fiesta we bought at 12 months old and saw the receipt for the first service and no flushing agent on there. So since then twice yearly oil and filter changes with the correct Castrol oil. Fingers crossed the belt should last until it's sold on.

Just now, iantt said:

Luckily my partner's fiesta we bought at 12 months old and saw the receipt for the first service and no flushing agent on there. So since then twice yearly oil and filter changes with the correct Castrol oil. Fingers crossed the belt should last until it's sold on.

Yup,that’s  the way to do it.I have my oil & filter changed twice a year.Small price to pay.If the belt does go, well that is the way it is.I am lucky to do 2,000kms a year in it.

8 hours ago, aot871 said:

I know every person is not the same regarding changing cars , but as I said in my above message  , I have been offered £7900 for my 8 Yr old ecco boost. I have been told its better to have the belt changed early rather than leave it untill the last moment so I am thinking of having it done at the same point as its next Mot. Does any one else think its worth doing ,  at the prices quoted ( 1500 ) or would you change the car?

What spec is your Fiesta? Mine is a Titanium X of the same year with 28K on it, Thinking about swapping as just starting with a possible engine rattle and poor fuel economy.

Also how many miles has your car covered just to give me a expected price for mine?

Thanks

2 hours ago, statts said:

What spec is your Fiesta? Mine is a Titanium X of the same year with 28K on it, Thinking about swapping as just starting with a possible engine rattle and poor fuel economy.

Also how many miles has your car covered just to give me a expected price for mine?

Thanks

Mine is sames as yours,  63 plate  first reg Jan 14 40575  miles but running like a dream

This thread is literally proving one of the reasons why that engine has the "ecoboom" nickname, it's far cheaper to do a belt than blow up your engine and have to get a new one for the car, I've seen it a lot more than you would think funnily enough on all of them although they hadn't got to belt day age wise they had got there and surpassed it mileage wise and "I spoke to the owners and they literally said oh they are not lifetime belt?" So please actually get your belts done, it's worth the £1500 or so to do

I'm told that I should   replace the water pump at the same time as the cam belt, what about the oil pump or can u just clean it out?

I thought the water pump is electric as it continues to pump water around engine when switched off when hot. It does on mine at least.

2 hours ago, aot871 said:

I'm told that I should   replace the water pump at the same time as the cam belt, what about the oil pump or can u just clean it out?

It is possible to clean them out but is not as easy as one might think. The larger black material can be scraped out but if you look at the metal gauze under magnification you will see that there is a significant amount of almost translucent fibres/matting still blocking it.

Access is poor because of the shape of the shroud around the gauze filter. Of course there is other work required, removal of the cat from the turbo, exhaust clamp and exhaust mounting bracket, removing the sump and unbolting the pump itself. 

I used multiple cans of brake cleaner, various small stiff brushes, small scrapers and even sewing needles to clear the one in my daughters car. I've done it twice (for reasons i wont go into here) and it took many hours each time (hence why garages prefer to replace them).

As for the main water pump, many do replace them, however I didn't replace it as we weren't sure if the car would be kept at that stage and the fact that it can be replaced independently of the timing belt

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52 minutes ago, cjay1 said:

I thought the water pump is electric as it continues to pump water around engine when switched off when hot. It does on mine at least.

There are two pumps. One driven, one electric.

Main driven water pump and auxiliary water pump

1 hour ago, RayC333 said:

There are two pumps. One driven, one electric.

 

On 3/25/2022 at 1:11 PM, TomsFocus said:

Yes.  This is what kills most of them...short journeys stopping moisture getting driven out of the oil.  Add an engine flush to speed up that process if you wish!  

As for used prices, they've been high for the last couple of years due to parts & materials shortages as well as Covid forcing factory closures and limited new car builds.  I suspect the Ukraine conflict will keep prices high for another year or more now, but it won't last forever!

I just serviced my Fiesta 1.0 and had a look at my oil strainer with a inspection camera via the sump bolt hole and was very pleased to see that there were no bits of timing belt clogging my oil pump. I have seen many threads where these engines get to around 50 - 60 k miles then die from belt parts blocking up the oil strainer and then killing the engine with low / no oil pressure. In my mind if you change your oil regular and dont use the car for very short journeys the belt will last.  I am planning to get the tools and change my belt around 80k as my cylinder head intake ports are getting a bit clogged up so ill do that with the belt soon.

34 minutes ago, Eatonm112 said:

I just serviced my Fiesta 1.0 and had a look at my oil strainer with a inspection camera via the sump bolt hole and was very pleased to see that there were no bits of timing belt clogging my oil pump. I have seen many threads where these engines get to around 50 - 60 k miles then die from belt parts blocking up the oil strainer and then killing the engine with low / no oil pressure. In my mind if you change your oil regular and dont use the car for very short journeys the belt will last.  I am planning to get the tools and change my belt around 80k as my cylinder head intake ports are getting a bit clogged up so ill do that with the belt soon.

Have you priced up the tools if your doing the job yourself? The actual timing tools aren't too bad at £100 but I can't see a crankbolt torque multiplier for less than £600 . That was just a quick Google. 

10 hours ago, iantt said:

Have you priced up the tools if your doing the job yourself? The actual timing tools aren't too bad at £100 but I can't see a crankbolt torque multiplier for less than £600 . That was just a quick Google. 

I guess you can't hire them from anywhere either?

45 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

I guess you can't hire them from anywhere either?

No idea. Not looked. 

Just to note, nearly all the bolts for timing cover are stretch bolts and need to be replaced. Turobo  oil feed pipe should also be replaced according to ford etis 

4 minutes ago, iantt said:

No idea. Not looked. 

I've had a quick look but can't see any.  I thought it might be used for other things as well (making it worthwhile for a toolhire company) but it seems the EcoBoost one is very specific compared to the other torque mulitpliers I can see.

11 hours ago, iantt said:

Have you priced up the tools if your doing the job yourself? The actual timing tools aren't too bad at £100 but I can't see a crankbolt torque multiplier for less than £600 . That was just a quick Google. 

I have a torque multiplier which cost me a fortune (300) 15 years ago and I have only used it once!.