50 minutes ago, agraham said:

I think the original plan was to shelve it in 2025 and build/run the new EV line in Cologne

Yes, I'd seen that too. I guess whoever decided to do the facelift then drop the Fiesta almost immediately may have earned themselves a smack on the head! 

On 12/1/2022 at 6:11 PM, Eric Bloodaxe said:

themselves a smack on the head! 

With a big hammer.

When I am ready to replace my current 1.0L Ecoboost auto Fiesta I was definitely going to seriously consider yet another Fiesta - my fourth, (having decided that the world is not ready for EV cars , another subject) but now, of course it's another ballgame.    Ford will lose millions of customers  to rivals and may never return.

I think we all need to get our heads around this. Ford may have jumped the gun a little with ending Fiesta production a year or two early, but it was going to happen by 2025 anyway.

VW Forums (for example) are similarly full of posts about the demise of the Polo also being imminent, though it has not yet been announced.

Despite the efforts of industry leaders such as Carlos Tavares of Stellantis, it now looks as if Euro 7 regulations will be pretty much as onerous as feared and any car built from July 2025 (not just newly introduced models) will have to comply.

Cold start emissions limits will mean many or most cars will require electrically heated catalytic converters ( "e-cats") to pre-heat the cat before starting, which could mean a delay of 30 seconds or so, like we used to have with glow plugs on older diesels. As "e-cats" take up more space, that further mitigates against smaller, lower cars with limited underbonnet space.

On board diagnostics will have to monitor and flag key pollutants, so we can expect to see even more of the EML light.

Rather than make the necessary investment for a relatively short sales period before ICE is banned altogether, many manufacturers will simply discontinue such models, as we are already seeing.

Where Ford seem out of step is that, as already mentioned in this thread, they are betting the house on electric SUVs of Puma size and above, while others are developing smaller electric superminis, etc.

1 hour ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

I think we all need to get our heads around this. Ford may have jumped the gun a little with ending Fiesta production a year or two early, but it was going to happen by 2025 anyway.

VW Forums (for example) are similarly full of posts about the demise of the Polo also being imminent, though it has not yet been announced.

Despite the efforts of industry leaders such as Carlos Tavares of Stellantis, it now looks as if Euro 7 regulations will be pretty much as onerous as feared and any car built from July 2025 (not just newly introduced models) will have to comply.

Cold start emissions limits will mean many or most cars will require electrically heated catalytic converters ( "e-cats") to pre-heat the cat before starting, which could mean a delay of 30 seconds or so, like we used to have with glow plugs on older diesels. As "e-cats" take up more space, that further mitigates against smaller, lower cars with limited underbonnet space.

On board diagnostics will have to monitor and flag key pollutants, so we can expect to see even more of the EML light.

Rather than make the necessary investment for a relatively short sales period before ICE is banned altogether, many manufacturers will simply discontinue such models, as we are already seeing.

Where Ford seem out of step is that, as already mentioned in this thread, they are betting the house on electric SUVs of Puma size and above, while others are developing smaller electric superminis, etc.

If its feasible to make an electric VW up then why not a Fiesta ? 

1 hour ago, Wino said:

If its feasible to make an electric VW up then why not a Fiesta ? 

My point exactly! Likewise a Fiat 500 (shortly to have an Abarth version as well), Vauxhall Corsa, Peugeot 208, Renault Zoe (and new 5 shortly), Honda E, Mini, Smart, etc, etc. None of them exactly cheap of course (though the Dacia Spring EV coming here in 2024, I believe, might be) but I think we're seeing the end of affordable motoring for many.

I think the reality of it is that Ford have decided they don’t want to make cars anymore, instead focusing on making SUV’s. Oh well, I’ll be enjoying my new Fiesta ST next year regardless!

5 new electric vehicles by 2024, but no indication what size they will be. 

1 hour ago, iantt said:

5 new electric vehicles by 2024, but no indication what size they will be. 

Only 3 cars a full electric Puma the Mustang and a new medium-sized crossover the rest will be Transits in various sizes

1 hour ago, iantt said:

5 new electric vehicles by 2024, but no indication what size they will be. 

No other information available, only that they will take 4 AA batteries with the option upgrade to 6 🤣

Dose this mean that the value of used Fiesta will increase in value.

Terry.

23 minutes ago, Retired Terry said:

Dose this mean that the value of used Fiesta will increase in value.

I very much expect so !

After all it costs a lot more to buy a 'Model T' now than it did when they were brand new. Just keep your Fiesta 50 years and you could be sitting on a fortune. 😉

2 hours ago, iantt said:

5 new electric vehicles by 2024, but no indication what size they will be. 

In the Ford twatter video posted earlier in this thread, of the future cars "teased" in there, the smallest looks to be a Puma EV and the rest  are progressively bigger from left to right. 

When I said "having decided that the world is not ready for EV cars , another subject" - Not only is the infrastructure years away for power requirements to recharge EVs (you would probably have to upgrade your house wiring to cope with charging an EV at home and the  UK national grid also would need upgrading forthe power requirements for millions of them) there's the inabilty of the world's recources to meet the predicted demand for lithium and cobalt.

Hydrogen may be the answer.

 

On 11/2/2022 at 2:48 PM, jsk said:

I reckon they will have to close the order book on the Fiesta soon if they are closing the plant mid 2023. 

Anyone heard any more on the deadline for new Fiesta orders?

I was asking in my local dealers the other day while booking a service and they'd not had anything definite so far. 

23 hours ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Anyone heard any more on the deadline for new Fiesta orders?

I was asking in my local dealers the other day while booking a service and they'd not had anything definite so far. 

You'd assume it must be soon as the last one being built is June

23 hours ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Anyone heard any more on the deadline for new Fiesta orders?

I was asking in my local dealers the other day while booking a service and they'd not had anything definite so far. 

My local dealer is having a Fiesta farewell event on 4th & 5th March to place last orders, so I'd think the deadline is sometime in March.

2 hours ago, alexp999 said:

My local dealer is having a Fiesta farewell event on 4th & 5th March to place last orders, so I'd think the deadline is sometime in March.

Now spotted that there are events over most of the UK the following week - 11/12 March - so that will probably be "it".

 

 

Focus next? 

2 hours ago, iantt said:

Focus next? 

That ends next year right?

3 minutes ago, alexp999 said:

That ends next year right?

Good to know, maybe in 10 - 15 years time I'll be able to afford the current model LOL

59 minutes ago, alexp999 said:

That ends next year right?

No idea, I don't take much notice . As long as they keep selling commercials I'm happy. 

2 hours ago, alexp999 said:

That ends next year right?

Most reports I've seen said 2025, when the Saarlouis plant closes.

As I keep saying, the infrastructure is not ready for all electric cars.  Too many things to list but to ditch the IC-engined Fiesta seems premature.

There were some interesting questions and answers in Fords earnings call at the start of feb, Transcript Ford earnings call

One question / answer that hints at potential Ford Europes future plans was

[quote]
John Murphy -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

OK. That's actually incredibly helpful. And just on the long term, I mean, you mentioned, Jim, about scrubbing things foundationally and really getting to some costs that are excess. And I appreciate the three areas you've highlighted.

 

But as we look around the world, I mean, Europe is -- had fits and starts of making us all kind of excited that it's going to work and then it doesn't from time to time. And China, you kind of been chasing competition there, and it hasn't really paid out for you. But there are two very important parts of Europe and China that are very strong for you. Commercial vehicle in Europe is incredibly strong.

So could we just strip Europe back to pure commercial vehicle? And could China just strip back to pure Lincoln? Two places we know you're making money and cut out the other stuff so that you can actually fund the transition that you're talking about. I mean, just -- we kind of all dance around this stuff, and you've headed in this direction with the global redesign, but there's real opportunities here to be really profitable.

Jim Farley -- President and Chief Executive Officer

No, you hit on it. And I'm glad we're getting into some of the strategies. I mean, I would think of China business similar to what we've done in South America and IMG. Small but profitable, focused.

 

We've been, in the past, in China kind of small but focused on everything. And Lincoln and our commercial with JMC is very profitable and an important business, but they have to make the EV transition. And I don't think you can be globally successful in the EV business if you don't compete with the Chinese. I mean, they're going to come to Europe.

They're already there. They're going to come to the U.S. BYD is a powerhouse, Geely, there's so many others. And so, we believe China is very strategically important for us.

But to win there, we have to make those businesses transition profitably to EV, but I would think of it as kind of small and focused, maybe even more than the past. And Europe is definitely -- we have a great CV business, commercial vehicle business, that now is getting electrified. So we're like making that transition now. We have a new Ranger, the electric version of Transit, 1-Tonne Transit.

And all of them, we have a new manufacturing site in Romania that's really scaling up now in commercial. So we have a really strong business. And the decision really is how much do we need, how much -- how many engineers, how many people do we need in Europe and how big of a profile do we need in passenger cars? That's the decision. We've already electrified Cologne, and that's really the decision.[/quote]