mjt Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 The Ecoboom wetbelt issue has made it onto BBC Watchdog tonight. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil3747 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Was just posting the same MJT, but you beat me to it, so I've deleted mine 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unofix Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 2 hours ago, mjt said: The Ecoboom wetbelt issue has made it onto BBC Watchdog tonight. Did we learn anything from tonight's BBC programme (I stopped watching the BBC during Covid) ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Bloodaxe Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 2 hours ago, mjt said: The Ecoboom wetbelt issue has made it onto BBC Watchdog tonight. I missed the programme but found it here: https://m.facebook.com/groups/FordEcoboostNightmare/posts/3463012953968573/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unofix Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Sad to say I don't do Faceache, just not my thing 🤔 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Bloodaxe Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 6 minutes ago, unofix said: Sad to say I don't do Faceache, just not my thing 🤔 I certainly don't either, just googled the topic and that came up. Pretty familiar stuff. Interesting though that Ford claimed (assuming I heard It right) that the failure rate was "less than 0.01%" !! It will be on BBC iPlayer, but I can't check as I'm up at our caravan at the mo and my iPlayer password is at home (in a file with the other million different passwords that you are recommended to have these days rather than just "password"!😃) 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Bloodaxe Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 Just having a quick glance at the Facebook link, it's a real hotchpotch of issues - not just 1.0 wet belts, but also degas hoses plus cooling issues on the 1.5/1.6 4 cyl. Quite a number don't seem to know which engine they have anyway. Many of the cars seem to have been bought s/h with no 100% guarantee that they have been correctly serviced and even one of the cases featured by Watchdog had "had all services except one". Ford had apparently made the point that the 10 years/mileage belt change interval was "a recommendation, not a guarantee" . Overall, don't think what I read/saw gets us much further tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenFord Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 10 hours ago, unofix said: Sad to say I don't do Faceache, just not my thing 🤔 Not mine either, but, if you click on that link above, then click on the authors name, it allows you to view the 1st page, and if you scroll down you'll be able to see the BBC four minute clip... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimpster Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 According to the program theres a 0.09% chance, and those that went Ecoboom didnt follow the service schedule, Ford offer to give a 40% discount to one guy as long as he had the work done in-house he declined witha yeah right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyr55 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 Can I assume that low mileage users are unlikely to experience this issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unofix Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 9 minutes ago, Andyr55 said: Can I assume that low mileage users are unlikely to experience this issue? Well if we ignore all those that have had the cam belt fail under 25,000 and the one or two that have had it fail at 18,000 then it would be fair to say the problem is more common for those engines that have done over 60,000 miles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Bloodaxe Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 My experience over the years generally has been more problems with cars doing low mileage than the other way round. Quite a bit on the topic on another recent thread: https://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/topic/146385-mk8-longevity-time-or-mileage/#comment-997206 A car standing around accumulating internal engine condensation, or predominantly going through cold start cycles which may cause oil dilution through excess fuelling, is not helping maintain oil quality which seems to be the crucial issue in wet belt degredation. in such cases, regular oil changes with the recommended grade are essential - Fords move to recommended 18,000/2 years service intervals was not helpful here, though they do make the point in various places online or in literature that low mileage cars need more frequent changes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOG Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 USA also has problems with their Ford Ecoboost engines. Good advice from FordTechMakuloco: oil Change Intervals on The Ford Ecoboost Engines!" width="200"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT70 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 This and the appalling 6F15 gearbox is the reason why I was desperate to get out and away from Ford ASAP. My wife's 2017 1.0 Auto Focus had only done 34,000 miles, from new, we were first owners. Gearbox was appalling, slips, clunks, bangs But I was genuinely scared that the belt was going to go. It had had services every 12 months They really are junk, the MK4 2019 1.5 Ecoblue had issues with windows, Speakers, door rattles, door seals, clutch, pulley noise from FEAD, software issues. I shall never buy another and we had 20 brand new Fords between us between 1999 to 2019 We never had any major issues with any other models apart from a 2006 Fiesta ST that had to be rejected because it was only pushing 48BHP with no DTCs instead of the 148 (Though Ford's "Master" Tech had said it was OK) and a 2012 MK3 Focus 1.6 TDCi that wouldn't rev over 2,500 RPM that was also rejected 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontpannic Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 I think it's a bit of a weird one - it could well be that wet belt failures are as low a percentage as Ford say - remember that these engines came in most of the Ford range for a vast number of years, there must be millions of them out there and I suspect the vast majority will be fine. For people who aren't that into cars or aren't on social media, when I mentioned I'd just bought a 1.0 EcoBoost Focus, the reaction I got from basically everyone was "great choice, I've had one for years and it's been brilliant". Yet as soon as you come online, I've got a matter of weeks until the belt goes and it's useless. I know they're susceptible to failure with improper servicing and the wrong oil, and annoyingly I believe that the types of owner of some of these cars are the sort to not take up dealer servicing and go to the local backstreet independent who will chuck engine flush and non-wetbelt specific oil in there instead. I bought mine from a trustworthy independent Ford franchise dealer, the car is low mileage for its age (10 years, 47k miles at the time) and as part of the pre-sale service the garage replaced the wet belt, oil belt, a few seals, and made sure the oil pickup was clean. I intend to change the oil every 6 months with the right specification and take it back for a dealer service every 12 months for the MOT and service and I guess we'll see what happens. It's as close to a 'fresh start' as I think I'm going to get. With my annual mileage being around 15k miles, I guess we'll see - but I'm keeping £4k ringfenced in savings in case I need one of those Pumaspeed EcoBoost crate engines. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT70 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 8 minutes ago, dontpannic said: I believe that the types of owner of some of these cars are the sort to not take up dealer servicing and go to the local backstreet independent who will chuck engine flush and non-wetbelt specific oil in there instead. I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontpannic Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 13 minutes ago, DaveT70 said: I agree With my earlier cars I was guilty of not looking past the headline of the viscosity level. This was on a HCS 1.1 engine in my first Fiesta, though that thing would have survived a nuclear blast and laughed at the concept of 'wrong oil'. There's so much more to oil than that, but a lot of people will just go and buy a topup bottle from Halfords "it's 5w20 so it's fine", without realising that the additives in there aren't wet belt friendly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimpster Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 I know off topic but those idiots at Car SOS ran a Ford deisel after draining the oil, made it 1.1 miles before it locked up solid, i thought they saved cars, i will no longer be watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontpannic Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 25 minutes ago, Jimpster said: I know off topic but those idiots at Car SOS ran a Ford deisel after draining the oil, made it 1.1 miles before it locked up solid, i thought they saved cars, i will no longer be watching. There are plenty of car YouTubers who do the same thing when they want a boost in their viewership. I can't stand it, I have far too much mechanical sympathy and just think its a total waste whenever anyone does that 'experiment'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenFord Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 31 minutes ago, Jimpster said: I know off topic but those idiots at Car SOS ran a Ford deisel after draining the oil, made it 1.1 miles before it locked up solid, i thought they saved cars, i will no longer be watching. Must admit, I enjoyed that scene, if anything, it reinforced to me how important oil is! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 Has anyone got a video link to that scene? I'm sure they lifted the bonnet on a petrol but then it miraculously turned into a diesel. Would also be interested to reg check it as I bet it was a rusty MOT failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenFord Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 40 minutes ago, TomsFocus said: Has anyone got a video link to that scene? I'm sure they lifted the bonnet on a petrol but then it miraculously turned into a diesel. Would also be interested to reg check it as I bet it was a rusty MOT failure. Tom, that is just weird, the internet is full of cr*p, but for the life of me, I can't find a clip showing that engine destruction! Maybe Ford took out some kind of injunction in case folk got the idea that their engines blow up 🤣 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Bloodaxe Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 20 hours ago, Eric Bloodaxe said: Ford claimed (assuming I heard It right) that the failure rate was "less than 0.01%" !! Just checking the clip again and Matt did say that. Hard to find a total production figure but a Ford press release I found said 1.6 million had been sold 2012-2019. After that the chain drive versions started to appear though the wet belt continued in some versions. So let's say 2 million as a nice round figure. 0.01% of that is only 200 and we've probably had that many on this forum alone, so a ludicrous figure. Big fib from Ford or c*ck up by the Beeb? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexp999 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 Presumably a diligent journalist would have asked the question, if the wet belt was not a problem, why did they change it to a chain? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 1 hour ago, StephenFord said: Tom, that is just weird, the internet is full of cr*p, but for the life of me, I can't find a clip showing that engine destruction! Maybe Ford took out some kind of injunction in case folk got the idea that their engines blow up 🤣 Found it on the All4 catch up service eventually. Turned out I was right...those HT leads would be a little unnecessary on a diesel. CN56 FFU. Jimps will be even more upset about this though. It never failed MOT, in fact on it's last MOT wasn't even an advisory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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