Cheers guys

I'll have a look around for a better oil for start stop and some quality glow plugs. 

Deactivate stsrt-stop? 

1 hour ago, froggy8 said:

Cheers guys

I'll have a look around for a better oil for start stop and some quality glow plugs. 

Deactivate stsrt-stop? 

I am of the opinion that it is generally bad for the life of engines, starters, alternators and batteries, be it petrol or diesel.

Saving about £50 in fuel over the life of the car doesn't seem to be worth it.

23 minutes ago, weesam said:

I am of the opinion that it is generally bad for the life of engines, starters, alternators and batteries, be it petrol or diesel.

Saving about £50 in fuel over the life of the car doesn't seem to be worth it.

Same here I always turn mine off every time I start the car.

How do you deactivate start stop and what is it? 

No need to go fast, only high rpm. 

Old car with old egr and no dpf.

Old egr can be disabled.

1 hour ago, froggy8 said:

How do you deactivate start stop

https://www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/vdirsnet/OwnerManual/Home/Index?Variantid=3948&languageCode=EN&countryCode=USA&marketCode=US&bookcode=O31161&VIN=&userMarket=GBR&div=f&buildtype=web

I rarely deactivated stop/start myself.  In fact I like the calm it provides while waiting at traffic lights or level crossings.  If you drive 'normal' roads it's likely to be fine.  Only an issue if you do a lot of town traffic.  Chances are it probably won't be working anyway if the battery is still original from 2016.

Do you suggest I should buy another battery for it? I was thinking if they had replaced it as batteries is normally 4 years. 

15 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

I rarely deactivated stop/start myself.  In fact I like the calm it provides while waiting at traffic lights or level crossings.  If you drive 'normal' roads it's likely to be fine.  Only an issue if you do a lot of town traffic.  Chances are it probably won't be working anyway if the battery is still original from 2016.

Agree. Mine stopped working a few weeks back but I suspect the battery is on way out front a quick test due to age  but when I service it at end of summer I will replace it with a new one before winter. 

I do feel though that using start stop long term would have some effect on components lifespan but how much I really don't know 

20 minutes ago, froggy8 said:

Do you suggest I should buy another battery for it? I was thinking if they had replaced it as batteries is normally 4 years. 

No, I wouldn't.  If the car starts fine and you're not getting any battery warnings then the battery is still fine.  Stop/start isn't a necessity.  As you'll see on here, most deactivate it anyway.

 

7 minutes ago, sonic113 said:

I do feel though that using start stop long term would have some effect on components lifespan but how much I really don't know 

That is what we might expect on paper.  However, in the real world, I've driven cars with stop start since 2018 and not had any failures relating to that at all.  My Golf is on 112k miles on the original clutch, DMF, starter, etc...  The starter motors and batteries are different for SS cars, so they don't really get damaged by SS.  There is some thought about the engine components taking a bit more abuse, but I've known quite a few delivery drivers stopping and starting engines for hours every day without breaking the engine at all...  Each to their own at the end of the day, my own testing suggests there isn't a noticeable increase in wear from using stop start, but if others want to deactivate it every drive then that's their choice.

2 hours ago, TomsFocus said:

No, I wouldn't.  If the car starts fine and you're not getting any battery warnings then the battery is still fine.  Stop/start isn't a necessity.  As you'll see on here, most deactivate it anyway.

 

That is what we might expect on paper.  However, in the real world, I've driven cars with stop start since 2018 and not had any failures relating to that at all.  My Golf is on 112k miles on the original clutch, DMF, starter, etc...  The starter motors and batteries are different for SS cars, so they don't really get damaged by SS.  There is some thought about the engine components taking a bit more abuse, but I've known quite a few delivery drivers stopping and starting engines for hours every day without breaking the engine at all...  Each to their own at the end of the day, my own testing suggests there isn't a noticeable increase in wear from using stop start, but if others want to deactivate it every drive then that's their choice.

That's a fair point. I did read that the components of a SS system are made a bit stronger to take the abuse from the normal workings of it but I haven't tested it long enough to see if it makes any difference to the lifespan or even if the fuel savings are much. I always feared that if in operation in traffic the SS kicked in and wouldn't start again but thank fully this has not happen and I'm unaware of it happening to anyone so it must not be an issue with these modern systems as I think the system automatically disables if the battery is below a certain voltage to prevent this type of thing.

It won't save a noticeable amount of fuel.  It was never designed to do that.  The main benefit is reducing exhaust emissions in built up areas where traffic sits idling all day every day.

9 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

It won't save a noticeable amount of fuel.  It was never designed to do that.  The main benefit is reducing exhaust emissions in built up areas where traffic sits idling all day every day.

That makes more sense. Every little bit helps I guess. 

1 hour ago, sonic113 said:

I always feared that if in operation in traffic the SS kicked in and wouldn't start again

My son had this happen to him on his driving test, not in a Ford but in a Mini. Stopped at a set of traffic lights, stop start switched off the engine. Wouldn't start again. Examiner didn't know how to get it started and it was near the test centre at the end of the test, so the examiner left my son in the car at the lights and walked back to the test centre to fetch the instructor who owned the car.

Meanwhile the police turn up to find my son in a car on L plates, unsupervised and unable to get the car started. The police couldn't start it and neither could the instructor when he returned to it. The car had to be recovered on a breakdown truck.

Amazingly, after all that, my son passed the test.

@pcaouolte congratulations to your son 😊

Picked up my new car, the ss did work on my car and started up no problem. Need time to get used to it though and everything seems so sensitive. 

1 hour ago, froggy8 said:

Picked up my new car, the ss did work on my car and started up no problem. Need time to get used to it though and everything seems so sensitive. 

I think the best advice to give you is to stop reading stuff about your new car on the internet and frightening yourself, keep using good fuel and engine oil, and enjoy driving your car.

Stop worrying about things that will likely never happen!

Also, in an earlier post, you were talking about getting glow plugs. Don't bother, these are normally only changed when they go wrong (quite rare)!

 

24 minutes ago, Alan G H said:

Also, in an earlier post, you were talking about getting glow plugs. Don't bother, these are normally only changed when they go wrong (quite rare)!

Agreed. Only ever replaced one in all the 9 diesel cars we've had. And that was at 13 years old.😀

38 minutes ago, Alan G H said:

Stop worrying about things that will likely never happen!

But where is the fun in that ?

froggy88 is never happier than when he has something to worry about. Now he's going to start and worry that he's got nothing to worry about !! 🤔

I've just had a terrible thought 😲

Have you checked that you have the locking wheel nut key ? and if you have, does it fit ?

 

OK guys I will calm down with the worrying 😂

@unofix yes I wrote a list down on what to ask in case I forget 😂

Here's my new car 😊

 

It's really posh inside, will take more photos tomorrow 

has anyone heard of GAP insurance? just had a read online and it seems like a good idea.

what do you guys think?

Here is the Ford build sheet.

Reg: EK66 BTF

VIN: WF06XXGCC6GL82813

Build Date : 21.09.2016
Vehicle Line : FOCUS 2014-2019
Engine : 1.5L DURATORQ-TDCI
Transmission : 6 SPEED MANUAL TRANS - B6
Emission : EURO 6 EMISSIONS
Air Conditioning : DUAL ZONE AUTO TEMP CONTROL A/C
Body Style : 4 DOOR ESTATE
Drive : RHD FWD
Axle Ratio : 3.61
Version : SERIES 35
Exterior Paint : MOONDUST SILVER (METALLIC)
Interior Fabric : BASKET WEAVE/CAP CHARCOAL BLACK
Territory : (+)"GB"

start warranty: 22.09.2016

Owner’s Manual (Vehicles Built From: 7/20/2015) (HTML)

history

3.72/2.04/1.25/.919/.738/0.622
reverse parking aid
front parking aid
rear throw in carpet flr mats
front throw in carpet flr mats
dtrl lamp lit in pos 0 and pos
adaptive bi-xenon headlamps
advanced automated park system
standard duty suspension
electrochromic inside mirror
window auto close
front fog lamps
pwr frt w\'dows one touch up/dn
pwr rear 1 shot up/down window
general stowage box
du pwr/heat/fold/pud lmp/sig
tinted glass-complete
ext mirror finish-body color
deluxe headliner
grl-upper blk msh/chrome surnd
sunvisor,single-pass illum
sunvisor,single-drv illum
acoustic laminated windscreen
headlamp bezel-aluminum
less windshield heat shielding
door handles-inside aluminum
l/h front door armrest
saarlouis plant build
r/h front door armrest
intr lght-ambint led/multi clr
less special equipment package
frt individuala and rr map lts
floorwell lights
2nd row bezels
front and rear lamp led
less mkt flex prep pack
glove box lights
less sales badge
rear coat hook
load compartment light
less special order paint
less cargo net kit
ford corporate badge
less exterior dress up package
less svo application/label
electrical outlet #1
less rear splash guards
less smokers package
electric windshield defroster
less power point plug - rear
frt dr scuff plates-ford oval
less cargo area cover
load compart. tie down loops
drv seat back mtd map pocket
automatic windshield wiper
intermittent rr wnd wash/wipe
rear view camera-fixed
3.61 final drive ratio
less ext appearance pack
less cargo compartment net
pass seat back mtd map pocket
heated washer jets-w\'shield
load floor carpet
taillamps - led rear
less decklid/liftg/tailg liner
headlamp washer
less man shift auto trans
high mounted stop lamp
marketing level 1
moondust silver c/c med solid
single rear fog lamps
no description available
acc media hub 2xusb+av+sd slot
great britain
less a/v jack
less interior pack
less style pack
automatic headlamp leveling
auto high lamp headlamp
less dress up rso
less svp
ice feature pack 15
less console ashtray
exterior paint - solid
l/frt splash guards/mud flaps
nameplate
icp/mini efp
padded dash
electric power steering 1
seat cover-leathr- ebony
tonneau cover
less roof opening panels
power driver seat recliner
less seat special covers-rear
engine cover - under hood
front 2-way headrestraints
less seat special covers front
pass seat recliner-rotary
less seat track covers
mini ovrhd cnsl w/sunglass bin
console-with closed bin
normal temp zones
10 high series spkers+subwoofr
folding rear seat cushion-splt
less inbound modification cent
radio subwoofer
rr seat-60/40 split-folding
rr center armrest with stowage
rear headrestraint-integrated
less tailgate badges
headrestraint-rear center
lumbar seat supt-driver seat
lumbar seat supt-pass seat
hill launch assist
conventional instrumnt level 3
euro 6 emissions
instrum cluster-rheostat
less water wading equipment
rear passenger door
standard duty battery
less cellphone interface systm
strg column-tilt/telescoping
heated passenger seat
driver heated seat
sync ii w/nav
body colored painted roof
pollen/carbon filter
my key
st belt mndr-dr&pas/eu tel&snd
less u/body corrosion protect
less interior partition
mph/kph speedometer
recirculation heater
power 4-way driver seat adjust
non locking capless fuel fill
diesel fuel capability
manual 4-way pass seat adjust
less mass customization packag
less gaseous fuel prep pack
voltage regulator-12v socket
trip computer
strg wheel radio controls
foot pedal design - standard
fixed foot pdls
leather handbrake grip
parking brake - mechanical
less frt bumper sensor device
liftgate - manual
less heated steering wheels
steering whl-3 spk leather
speed control & asld
a/c refrigerant-r134a
less fire extinguisher fixings
frnt bumper-painted body color
less front bumper extension
seat-individual h/b drv/pass
less instrument gauges
rear bumper-plastic-body color
rear brake - drum
std duty frt/rr calp & pads
less rear bumper extension
less collision mitigation sys
less front license plate brkt
less kit-tire repair service
city safety-mode 1
single exhaust system
electronic emerg brake assist
less restraint devices
grille-lower sur - dk slf clr
roof rack-aluminum
rocker panel mld-cladding c/k
bright ext.door frame molding
single note electric horn
brakes-hla/esp/tc/abs
air curtain restraint-lh
less rr seat side airbag restr
less door edge guards
less sensor - occupant
spare wheel-mini steel
less radiator shutters
less aux roof rack crossbars
tire pressure sensors-433 mhz
3 pt seat belt- europn regultn
rr seat belts-3 point/inerta
air bag restraint-pass
air bag restraint-driver
standard duty rear shock abs
comp unique for alloy whls
pass seat air bag restr
tire inflation monitor lvl ii
driver seat air bag restraint
7.0 x 17" alloy whl-titanium
mfd high tft screen
less pass air bag deactivation
less compass display
manual adj frt seat belt mount
isofix hard point attachment
tether anchorage restr-style 1
message center
less navigation center
ext door handle-body color
less frame mntd fuel filter
lift/decklid hndl ext-body clr
nav data - all europe
leather gear shift knob
key combination pack 1
steel sec door lock shield
less auxiliary heater
child proof rr door locks
emergency assistance
remote deck/tailgate release
less door auto relocking
215/50 x 17" w rated bsw tyre
less rear spoiler
less second remote ign key
less trailer coupling
limit ser/mini spare tire
less towing pre-pack
power door dead locks
driver impairment monitor
front towing hooks
door entry remote cntr unit
standard tire tread-front
rear towing hooks
keyless entry/start-passive
standard tire tread-rear
less blind spot info system
lane keeping aid
speed sign recognition
capless fuel filler w/o lock
outside air temp present
less trailer sway control
int envirn color-chrcoal black
int feat color-charcoal black
less immersion heater
starter equipment (-15c)
starter - stop/start system
less axle differential - front
wheel hub caps-plastic painted
locking wheel lug nut
auto headlamps-follow me home
thatcham category 1 alarm
fog lamp bezel-chrome
engine immobilizer\'securilock

2 hours ago, unofix said:

Here is the Ford build sheet.

Reg: EK66 BTF

VIN: WF06XXGCC6GL82813

Build Date : 21.09.2016
Vehicle Line : FOCUS 2014-2019
Engine : 1.5L DURATORQ-TDCI
Transmission : 6 SPEED MANUAL TRANS - B6
Emission : EURO 6 EMISSIONS
Air Conditioning : DUAL ZONE AUTO TEMP CONTROL A/C
Body Style : 4 DOOR ESTATE
Drive : RHD FWD
Axle Ratio : 3.61
Version : SERIES 35
Exterior Paint : MOONDUST SILVER (METALLIC)
Interior Fabric : BASKET WEAVE/CAP CHARCOAL BLACK
Territory : (+)"GB"

start warranty: 22.09.2016

Owner’s Manual (Vehicles Built From: 7/20/2015) (HTML)

history

3.72/2.04/1.25/.919/.738/0.622
reverse parking aid
front parking aid
rear throw in carpet flr mats
front throw in carpet flr mats
dtrl lamp lit in pos 0 and pos
adaptive bi-xenon headlamps
advanced automated park system
standard duty suspension
electrochromic inside mirror
window auto close
front fog lamps
pwr frt w\'dows one touch up/dn
pwr rear 1 shot up/down window
general stowage box
du pwr/heat/fold/pud lmp/sig
tinted glass-complete
ext mirror finish-body color
deluxe headliner
grl-upper blk msh/chrome surnd
sunvisor,single-pass illum
sunvisor,single-drv illum
acoustic laminated windscreen
headlamp bezel-aluminum
less windshield heat shielding
door handles-inside aluminum
l/h front door armrest
saarlouis plant build
r/h front door armrest
intr lght-ambint led/multi clr
less special equipment package
frt individuala and rr map lts
floorwell lights
2nd row bezels
front and rear lamp led
less mkt flex prep pack
glove box lights
less sales badge
rear coat hook
load compartment light
less special order paint
less cargo net kit
ford corporate badge
less exterior dress up package
less svo application/label
electrical outlet #1
less rear splash guards
less smokers package
electric windshield defroster
less power point plug - rear
frt dr scuff plates-ford oval
less cargo area cover
load compart. tie down loops
drv seat back mtd map pocket
automatic windshield wiper
intermittent rr wnd wash/wipe
rear view camera-fixed
3.61 final drive ratio
less ext appearance pack
less cargo compartment net
pass seat back mtd map pocket
heated washer jets-w\'shield
load floor carpet
taillamps - led rear
less decklid/liftg/tailg liner
headlamp washer
less man shift auto trans
high mounted stop lamp
marketing level 1
moondust silver c/c med solid
single rear fog lamps
no description available
acc media hub 2xusb+av+sd slot
great britain
less a/v jack
less interior pack
less style pack
automatic headlamp leveling
auto high lamp headlamp
less dress up rso
less svp
ice feature pack 15
less console ashtray
exterior paint - solid
l/frt splash guards/mud flaps
nameplate
icp/mini efp
padded dash
electric power steering 1
seat cover-leathr- ebony
tonneau cover
less roof opening panels
power driver seat recliner
less seat special covers-rear
engine cover - under hood
front 2-way headrestraints
less seat special covers front
pass seat recliner-rotary
less seat track covers
mini ovrhd cnsl w/sunglass bin
console-with closed bin
normal temp zones
10 high series spkers+subwoofr
folding rear seat cushion-splt
less inbound modification cent
radio subwoofer
rr seat-60/40 split-folding
rr center armrest with stowage
rear headrestraint-integrated
less tailgate badges
headrestraint-rear center
lumbar seat supt-driver seat
lumbar seat supt-pass seat
hill launch assist
conventional instrumnt level 3
euro 6 emissions
instrum cluster-rheostat
less water wading equipment
rear passenger door
standard duty battery
less cellphone interface systm
strg column-tilt/telescoping
heated passenger seat
driver heated seat
sync ii w/nav
body colored painted roof
pollen/carbon filter
my key
st belt mndr-dr&pas/eu tel&snd
less u/body corrosion protect
less interior partition
mph/kph speedometer
recirculation heater
power 4-way driver seat adjust
non locking capless fuel fill
diesel fuel capability
manual 4-way pass seat adjust
less mass customization packag
less gaseous fuel prep pack
voltage regulator-12v socket
trip computer
strg wheel radio controls
foot pedal design - standard
fixed foot pdls
leather handbrake grip
parking brake - mechanical
less frt bumper sensor device
liftgate - manual
less heated steering wheels
steering whl-3 spk leather
speed control & asld
a/c refrigerant-r134a
less fire extinguisher fixings
frnt bumper-painted body color
less front bumper extension
seat-individual h/b drv/pass
less instrument gauges
rear bumper-plastic-body color
rear brake - drum
std duty frt/rr calp & pads
less rear bumper extension
less collision mitigation sys
less front license plate brkt
less kit-tire repair service
city safety-mode 1
single exhaust system
electronic emerg brake assist
less restraint devices
grille-lower sur - dk slf clr
roof rack-aluminum
rocker panel mld-cladding c/k
bright ext.door frame molding
single note electric horn
brakes-hla/esp/tc/abs
air curtain restraint-lh
less rr seat side airbag restr
less door edge guards
less sensor - occupant
spare wheel-mini steel
less radiator shutters
less aux roof rack crossbars
tire pressure sensors-433 mhz
3 pt seat belt- europn regultn
rr seat belts-3 point/inerta
air bag restraint-pass
air bag restraint-driver
standard duty rear shock abs
comp unique for alloy whls
pass seat air bag restr
tire inflation monitor lvl ii
driver seat air bag restraint
7.0 x 17" alloy whl-titanium
mfd high tft screen
less pass air bag deactivation
less compass display
manual adj frt seat belt mount
isofix hard point attachment
tether anchorage restr-style 1
message center
less navigation center
ext door handle-body color
less frame mntd fuel filter
lift/decklid hndl ext-body clr
nav data - all europe
leather gear shift knob
key combination pack 1
steel sec door lock shield
less auxiliary heater
child proof rr door locks
emergency assistance
remote deck/tailgate release
less door auto relocking
215/50 x 17" w rated bsw tyre
less rear spoiler
less second remote ign key
less trailer coupling
limit ser/mini spare tire
less towing pre-pack
power door dead locks
driver impairment monitor
front towing hooks
door entry remote cntr unit
standard tire tread-front
rear towing hooks
keyless entry/start-passive
standard tire tread-rear
less blind spot info system
lane keeping aid
speed sign recognition
capless fuel filler w/o lock
outside air temp present
less trailer sway control
int envirn color-chrcoal black
int feat color-charcoal black
less immersion heater
starter equipment (-15c)
starter - stop/start system
less axle differential - front
wheel hub caps-plastic painted
locking wheel lug nut
auto headlamps-follow me home
thatcham category 1 alarm
fog lamp bezel-chrome
engine immobilizer\'securilock

You do realise he's now going to have to check through every item to check the Ford Build Sheet is correct! 

10 hours ago, froggy8 said:

has anyone heard of GAP insurance? just had a read online and it seems like a good idea.

what do you guys think?

Depends on how cheap it is and how likely you think the car is to get stolen or written off within the first couple of years.

In theory it's a good idea with a loan but if the car is only losing £250 a year in depreciation, and you're having to pay £250 a year for GAP insurance, then it's not worth it.