Yeah the brackets were between 10-14Euro, depends on the specific shape. And the ABS sensors approx 24Euro per one. 

I haven't yet bought them but they look like about £20 each. Yeah ford quoted me about £14 for a retainer but that's unprimed and I can't be arsed to paint it!

Ok so my grille should be arriving today and a replacement sensor and bracket (taken from a panther black cmax to match, looks the same though and I don't actually need the sensor) arriving tomorrow for £18. Hopefully get this done tomorrow apart from abs sensors, which I intend to fit at a later date. 

Should be fine without them for now, right?

Right, I got as far as taking the bumper off and I discovered, as @JW1982 has said on another thread, that I do not have the required wiring in the engine bay loom.  So, for anyone following, before you decide to start this mod, whip your bumper off (there is a decent YT vid on this) and check the plug on the foglight loom - if you have only 4 wires in it, then this is not plug and play.

In the meantime, I am going to see if the wiring can be added, but I've got to figure out where to.

 

Hurrumph.

 

edit:  Wilco, with you saying that the difference is the engine bay loom, does that mean that the interior wiring (I assume to the BCM) is likely to be present?  If this is a case of rewiring the whole damn car then I'll be selling the parts this afternoon!  If it is a case of making up a couple of metres of loom with 8 or so cables then thats a different matter.

Alternatively, how difficult is it to replace the engine bay loom?

EDIT 2:: Thanks to Pree the wiring diagrams are here:

Just gonna do some reading then report back.

This next bit was added in stages, after I'd read and understood the individual parts.  Sorry if it makes for awkward reading.

 

EDIT 3::  Ok, so engine bay loom is 14K733, connects to interior loom 14014 which in turn provides the three (or one) plugs to the PAM in the boot.  It looks like its a straight through run from the front of the car (inside) to the boot, so I'm going to assume the wiring is there at the engine bay connector.

From looking at the wiring diagram, it looks like the small yellow plug for the PAM (the middle one when connected) contains the wiring for the front sensors, however mine has one small difference - all the wiring colours and pins match apart from pin 7 (signal wire for a front sensor)  which apparently should be blue-grey, but mine is white-red.  I don't think this a major issue.

Anyway, it appears that with the 3 plugs in the boot, the wiring should be present as far as the engine bay connector (got to find that next).  If this is true, then only a short run of wires is needed to go from the front bumper connector on the engine bay loom (C11G) and the connector to the interior loom (C12A).

In short, I need to add 8 new wires as follows:

Bumper == Engine - Interior

1 == 32

2 == 25

3 == 26

4 == 27

5 == 30

6 == 31

7 == 28

8 == 29

 

Now all I need is to think about how to do this and how accessible the engine - Interior connector is.

Either, hardwire directly from the bumper loom to the interior loom.  Means I dont have to get hold of pins, but also that it would be impossible to remove the bumper in future without cutting the wires.

Ideally, get a hold of suitable pins and sockets and add the wiring OEM-style.  So that's either scrap plugs, or hoping someone knows where I can get hold of new ones...

EDIT:: Actually - I don't think this can be right as pins 7 and 8 are already used for one of the foglights... Mine is a 2014, was the wiring changed at some point during production?

Well I should be able to match up the wire colours if they're still the same...

Where is the connection made between the engine bay harness and the interior harness?

pam wiring.pdf

Ok, I found it. It's behind the glove box, to the right of the fuse panel in the passenger footwell. 

That means getting wires through the engine bay bulkhead. That might be tricky...

In the engine bay, is this where there is a big rubber "bell"?

20 hours ago, Phil21185 said:

Ok, I found it. It's behind the glove box, to the right of the fuse panel in the passenger footwell. 

That means getting wires through the engine bay bulkhead. That might be tricky...

In the engine bay, is this where there is a big rubber "bell"?

I’m lost on the fact you have the yellow plug for front but not at the connector under the passenger head light. 
 

so your yellow plug goes to c12a by the glove box. Then nothing to c11G? That’s an easy fix with some cable. Following the same route. Can see the opening from the engine, big round grommet. 

least you have partial wiring. I’ve none. Have you checked you switch bank with stop start on to see if the cables are there for that? 
 

also if you have the brackets can you show me a picture of your sensor sitting in it for the side sensors. Just picked my brackets up and looks like the 2 outer park assist sensors are different.  

Phil I might be able to sort you out some pins once I’ve done mine. I’ve got a full floor harness so many plugs and sockets on. I’m chopping off the ones I need and crimping my new cables on. 

Yeah I've mentally moved on a bit since my post!

I'm still not sure the wiring is completely correct as two of the pins supposedly for sensors are already used for a fog light in my case. I've already swapped the buttons over and they react as they should (pressing them causes an error chime atm, along with flashing of the 'on' text)

Yep, I have the wiring in the boot, which follows to the plug behind the glove box, but the engine bay side of that plug does not have the right wires in. As I say, Wilco said this would likely be the case on another thread. 

I'm already thinking of passing through the massive grommet, though it's going to be difficult to get it through with the existing wires. Probably not good to poke a hole in it, but if it's tight enough it may not be a problem. I'll decide that when I've made my loom and removed som of the tape on the existing loom.

Now, pins. Any spares you have would be amazing, but I have potentially found a source for the ones I need.

I've decided I'm going to remove the pins from the internal loom plug and solder directly to them, and use pins for the bumper end to the bumper can be removed later.  Now, I'm not sure if this side of the loom is pins or sockets (as I've not disconnected it yet - airbags? Disconnect battery?), but that's one option. Alternatively, there is a disconnected loom behind the passenger knee panel, floor level, in vertical line with the radio, etc. I spotted it ages ago and never knew what it was for, however I've since learned that this is for the subwoofer. 

I don't have a sub, nor will I ever (I need the boot space), so there's 4 sockets there I can pinch. I've tested them in the new sensor loom and they fit, but I may have to persuade them to fit in the bumper plug.

While the above is the side that runs to the sub, if I can find the sub plug, there may be some more there (I need 8 in total). Alternatively, there are 4 in the gpsm module plug behind the mirror. I don't need this as sync 3 doesn't use the module. The pins(sockets) here are smaller but still fit the pins in the sensor loom. The only snag there is if they fit in the bumper plug.

Alternatively to that, there should be 4 pins in the ACM loom for the sub. If I remember correctly from my sync 3 upgrade days, these are socket style pins too, though these will also be the same size as the gpsm module.

Jeez, if you're putting the whole length of the wiring in you are more tenacious than I am! Mind you, I guess it's only the same as running cables for a reverse camera...

Yeah the two outer sensors sit almost on the wheel arch and have a strange shape. They are handed (left and right) and are marked as such. I can't post a pic right now but will try asap. These are the sensors which enable the SAPP (semi automatic parallel park). 

Also I don't think there's much point trying to fit 6 rear sensors. There isn't a setting in the BCM which will recognise them as Bannko says. You may not get a fault, but they will be non functional.

44 minutes ago, Phil21185 said:

Yeah I've mentally moved on a bit since my post!

I'm still not sure the wiring is completely correct as two of the pins supposedly for sensors are already used for a fog light in my case. I've already swapped the buttons over and they react as they should (pressing them causes an error chime atm, along with flashing of the 'on' text)

Yep, I have the wiring in the boot, which follows to the plug behind the glove box, but the engine bay side of that plug does not have the right wires in. As I say, Wilco said this would likely be the case on another thread. 

I'm already thinking of passing through the massive grommet, though it's going to be difficult to get it through with the existing wires. Probably not good to poke a hole in it, but if it's tight enough it may not be a problem. I'll decide that when I've made my loom and removed som of the tape on the existing loom.

Now, pins. Any spares you have would be amazing, but I have potentially found a source for the ones I need.

I've decided I'm going to remove the pins from the internal loom plug and solder directly to them, and use pins for the bumper end to the bumper can be removed later.  Now, I'm not sure if this side of the loom is pins or sockets (as I've not disconnected it yet - airbags? Disconnect battery?), but that's one option. Alternatively, there is a disconnected loom behind the passenger knee panel, floor level, in vertical line with the radio, etc. I spotted it ages ago and never knew what it was for, however I've since learned that this is for the subwoofer. 

I don't have a sub, nor will I ever (I need the boot space), so there's 4 sockets there I can pinch. I've tested them in the new sensor loom and they fit, but I may have to persuade them to fit in the bumper plug.

While the above is the side that runs to the sub, if I can find the sub plug, there may be some more there (I need 8 in total). Alternatively, there are 4 in the gpsm module plug behind the mirror. I don't need this as sync 3 doesn't use the module. The pins(sockets) here are smaller but still fit the pins in the sensor loom. The only snag there is if they fit in the bumper plug.

Alternatively to that, there should be 4 pins in the ACM loom for the sub. If I remember correctly from my sync 3 upgrade days, these are socket style pins too, though these will also be the same size as the gpsm module.

Jeez, if you're putting the whole length of the wiring in you are more tenacious than I am! Mind you, I guess it's only the same as running cables for a reverse camera...

Yeah the two outer sensors sit almost on the wheel arch and have a strange shape. They are handed (left and right) and are marked as such. I can't post a pic right now but will try asap. These are the sensors which enable the SAPP (semi automatic parallel park). 

Also I don't think there's much point trying to fit 6 rear sensors. There isn't a setting in the BCM which will recognise them as Bannko says. You may not get a fault, but they will be non functional.

Yes the brackets are a strange shape. It’s when my sensors fit in them they don’t look right hence why I think these are different sensors than the rest. 
 

did you activate the front sensors after fitting the switch ? I’ve not and fitted the switch. And wired it into the C23A connector  the stop start button lights up. The rest don’t. 
 

I couldn’t source the pins I emailed a few places and none got back to me. 

Not removed the glove box yet so if you happen to of taken a pic of the plugs location that would be great also 😛

and yes shouldn’t be any different than the camera cable. I’ll tidy all my wiring up once I know it works. Taping them to existing looms. 

1 hour ago, Tommo17 said:

Not removed the glove box yet so if you happen to of taken a pic of the plugs location that would be great also 😛

and yes shouldn’t be any different than the camera cable. I’ll tidy all my wiring up once I know it works. Taping them to existing looms. 

Found a drawing. Will have to have a look and see what type of pins is in it. 

Right. My switch bank plug looks like the same as yours. Initially I enabled everything and installed the buttons and PAM. Of course that threw faults because the front sensors werent on, but the buttons lit up and responded. 

I've since swapped the PAM back and gone back to just rear sensors in the BCM, only the auto start stop button does anything now.

Also:

Jackpot. This is the interior side of the connection with the engine bay harness which I'm going to hardwire into. They're the sockets I need so that's a bonus. For anyone following, it's these 8 wires, pins 25 to 32:

These are the same wire colours as in the PAM plug in the boot, and the corresponding pins in the other side of the connection here are missing. I've now clipped the pins off these with a decent amount of tail to form the bumper end of the engine loom.

Again, my wire colours match the pdf, apart from the white/red wire.

Here is the plug in location:

It's the one I've already undone. Release lever.

It looks like it would be c238 in your drawing, on the other side obviously, but I don't think that number correlates to other schematics I've seen?

The other side of the connection is clipped to the firewall. It's right in front of you, to the left of the fuse box when you take out the glovebox (2x T25 when you open the box, one behind the airbag switch panel on the end of the dashboard and two more underneath near the passenger footwell light - not the silver hex bolts, there are two black torx bolts there. You gotta look! Don't forget to unplug the glove box light from the switch as well.) 

And here are the two side sensors you asked about. 

The extra one I bought turned out to be very dark grey but definitely isn't black. It also has a translucent o ring instead of black... Tut!

1 hour ago, Phil21185 said:

Right. My switch bank plug looks like the same as yours. Initially I enabled everything and installed the buttons and PAM. Of course that threw faults because the front sensors werent on, but the buttons lit up and responded. 

I've since swapped the PAM back and gone back to just rear sensors in the BCM, only the auto start stop button does anything now.

Also:

Jackpot. This is the interior side of the connection with the engine bay harness which I'm going to hardwire into. They're the sockets I need so that's a bonus. For anyone following, it's these 8 wires, pins 24 to 32:

These are the same wire colours as in the PAM plug in the boot, and the corresponding pins in the other side of the connection here are missing. I've now clipped the pins off these with a decent amount of tail to form the bumper end of the engine loom.

Again, my wire colours match the pdf, apart from the white/red wire.

Here is the plug in location:

It's the one I've already undone. Release lever.

It looks like it would be c238 in your drawing, on the other side obviously, but I don't think that number correlates to other schematics I've seen?

The other side of the connection is clipped to the firewall. It's right in front of you, to the left of the fuse box when you take out the glovebox (2x T25 when you open the box, one behind the airbag switch panel on the end of the dashboard and two more underneath near the passenger footwell light - not the silver hex bolts, there are two black torx bolts there. You gotta look! Don't forget to unplug the glove box light from the switch as well.) 

And here are the two side sensors you asked about. 

The extra one I bought turned out to be very dark grey but definitely isn't black. It also has a translucent o ring instead of black... Tut!

Thanks for that Phil. Sorry I don’t know how just to tag you instead of quote. 
 

Well that’s good to know about the switches. I’ve managed to undo from my spare floor harness all the other cables I need. I’ve also found the pins for the outgoing side of that c238 connector by the glove box that will then connect up with my fog light switches. I can’t take a pic of my sensors inside the bracket as I’ve just painted them. But mine don’t sit flush like yours. I just need to run the cables in next when I’ve got time. 
 

add the 8 cables to the glove box connector. Then 8 from there to engine bay. And plug in. Then add 4 from my original beige connector  to where I’ve just terminated my 4 from my switch. Then swap module and activate. 
 

do you think anyone else will go through what we are for the sake of front parking sensors. Haha

That’s how mine are sitting. Sensors must be different for the SAPA

Ah. Could be actually. I'll take a comparison pic for you later. 

13 hours ago, Tommo17 said:

Thanks for that Phil. Sorry I don’t know how just to tag you instead of quote. 
 

Well that’s good to know about the switches. I’ve managed to undo from my spare floor harness all the other cables I need. I’ve also found the pins for the outgoing side of that c238 connector by the glove box that will then connect up with my fog light switches. I can’t take a pic of my sensors inside the bracket as I’ve just painted them. But mine don’t sit flush like yours. I just need to run the cables in next when I’ve got time. 
 

add the 8 cables to the glove box connector. Then 8 from there to engine bay. And plug in. Then add 4 from my original beige connector  to where I’ve just terminated my 4 from my switch. Then swap module and activate. 
 

do you think anyone else will go through what we are for the sake of front parking sensors. Haha

Extra toys?! I'd walk through fire. 

I severely dislike blank spaces in a button bank. Even now I'm wondering how hard it is to fit a heated steering wheel to fill in the last blank!

Funny thing is I wouldn't spend an extra £250 or whatever when specifying these options on a new car, but I'd spend nearly as much, plus time, stress and time away from the wife (bonus?!) to fit it myself.

Satisfaction!

Tagging by the way, type @ then the username immediately afterwards. There would be a little box come up which changes as you type. Make sure you click on one otherwise it won't tag.

12 hours ago, Tommo17 said:

That’s how mine are sitting. Sensors must be different for the SAPA

What's the part number on the top of the sensor you have there?

Compare it to the others. It certainly looks different in style to mine.

@Phil21185 not sure mate these are cheap ones. But I have spare ones from when I did the rear, ford ones and they are the same. Yes I’m in for £200 ish now could of got the car fitted with the full set up for a little more when I include the rear price. 
 

i thought about the heated wheel also. But then again I want to swap cars now I’ve another leak coming from somewhere in the rear. It was coming in the roof so fixed that and now it’s still coming in somewhere.  Not from the vents either. 
 

looking at a discovery sport. But I’ve enjoyed playing around with my focus and I don’t think there is much option when it comes to land rover. Can’t find no software or guides to add things like we can now. 

Stick with ford!! 

Centre sensors:

Middle sensors:

Outer sensors:

definitely different. Different part number. 

Thanks @Phil21185 I’ll get them ordered. I thought they might of been as they are different on the drawings I have. Saying that 3 different numbers for each side there is. 
 

came across a Focus this morning. That only had 4 sensors on the front. Didn’t know that was an option. Obviously hasn’t got park assist. Not seen any switches with stop start and just the front sensor button. Hopefully get time later to start running in the cables. And maybe trace my power to IPM module as it’s shorting out when I test between the cable and earth. So no wonder I’m not getting power. Yet the fuse is working 

You've lost me there, I've only studied the wiring necessary for my circumstances. Perhaps you could provide a guide when you're done for a total retrofit from nothing??!

Looms done. 

I think it was worth the extra solder joint to add matching coloured tails to the interior end of the loom. Now just got to find the time to fit it!

Your leak isnt from the rear light clusters is it? There's a foam gasket that's been know to allow ingress, smear of grease sorts that.

@JW1982 I’ve not noticed a foam gasket. It looks like it’s more towards the passenger rear door. It’s wetter towards the front of the arch. 
 

ive literately just ran in my cables then from the module as it’s ***** down I’ve stopped short of removing the glove box and fitting the 8. I’ve not made up the link after that yet. So let me know how you get on routing yours. 
 

my 4 from module that connects to the switch are about 6” short. Typical. I didn’t run them ones how they are in the original loom though. I’ve took them right round the car with the wires that connect to the front Of the car on the original loom. So will cut and crimp them at some point. I’m in no rush now as my sensors ain’t the correct ones, they won’t come till next weekend if they have them. Will have to ring in the morning. 

have you noticed a connector under the gear stick cover ? Might be for illuminated gear knob ?

9 minutes ago, Tommo17 said:

@JW1982 I’ve not noticed a foam gasket. It looks like it’s more towards the passenger rear door. It’s wetter towards the front of the arch. 
 

ive literately just ran in my cables then from the module as it’s ***** down I’ve stopped short of removing the glove box and fitting the 8. I’ve not made up the link after that yet. So let me know how you get on routing yours. 
 

my 4 from module that connects to the switch are about 6” short. Typical. I didn’t run them ones how they are in the original loom though. I’ve took them right round the car with the wires that connect to the front Of the car on the original loom. So will cut and crimp them at some point. I’m in no rush now as my sensors ain’t the correct ones, they won’t come till next weekend if they have them. Will have to ring in the morning. 

have you noticed a connector under the gear stick cover ? Might be for illuminated gear knob ?

Small squarish grey one? Yep it's for the illuminated knob, usually though it's taped up further out of the way. It might be for the heated seat switches? I didn't have that though.

Did you get your wires in through rubber grommet? 

@JW1982 no grommet to pass through yet. The original loom has the wires run right down the right ha d side of the car. Behind the dash and to the connector behind the glove box. The 4 from the PAM to the switch go down the right side of the car to the back seats theN across to arm rest section. 
 

Will try connect them up tonight and take a look at the next bit going through the grommet. I imagine it’s taped up quite well  can you see it from inside when the glove box is out ?