3 hours ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Well, we weren't supposed to be bringing this one up again, but for the people I know it was never about money despite the big fibs told by both sides in the debate.

Our group of friends were pretty evenly split either way, but had long held and carefully considered views on the matter. We never even discussed it at the time as we all knew what our views were, and respected the reasons behind them.

Everyone was in agreement that whatever the outcome, that should be respected and we as a country should work together towards getting the best possible result.

I doubt that many politicians, of whatever party, could put hand on heart and say the same.

I have to disagree about possibly the biggest part of the political side to that, for me it was supposed to get us out the hands of the EU non elected war mongers who still seem to control Britain despite them supposedly not as to if we hadn't then personally l think they would have ramped this id thing up faster sooner because they would have had the EU support to weigh in behind it, not sure if you saw it but in the 1st week of leaving we had the best economy growth out of all the EU countries ( this is where l think they realised they had to start the move to make things worse sooner ) because if you remember a few others the started the thing of wanting to leave the EU why because Britain is looked as a country of leadership ( God knows why lol ) which is a bigger reason for them to bring in the id card because if we accept it and they change it to the way l first explained then all the others that already have it would accept it the same way ( which brings us to ) the Ukrainian war why do you think it was started, it wasn't by Russia as the saying goes the EU poked the bear to get a reaction because they want control of the resources Russia has because they haven't ever had that that's why it was never written down in agreement that the EU would never move closer to Russia just a mutual agreement between leaders, if you notice as soon as trump was placed in power the talk of the EU moving further forward stopped because they didn't have the backing of the American lefties. That's why not 1 of the EU members could call him out when he gave his speech they just left it to the media to do the dirty work of covering up for them.

I'm open to anyone saying I'm wrong about anything l don't know everything l learn just the same as everyone else. So never think that you will offend me everyone has an opinion no matter who is in charge and what laws they want to make up to suit themselves we have a right to speak our minds.

7 hours ago, pcaouolte said:

I'm sure I saw some helpful advice about it on a bus just before we voted?

Was it this one?

or this one?

I remember seeing them too..

Zammo says,  "Just say NO !" 👍

 

14 minutes ago, unofix said:

Zammo says,  "Just say NO !" 👍

 

I like Zammo 😎👍 😂

So this thing of the majority of people said they would be happy with It being introduced was 57% they say. Well l thought given AI can find info better l thought I'd use it n what a crock this 57% is 😂😂😂 it's as bad as when they stated that the majority voted Labour in 🤭..

So let's look at this from the tin foil hats point of view for those who think where just nut jobs.. before it was even thought of properly in the way it is being pushed well in 99 that was 27 years ago it was first started in Finland.. has it worked well look at the results in the pic below.

When was it first though about and why would tin foil hat people have reason to understand how it's going to go let's see ( also before you comment saying its just movie a lot of other movies have done exactly the same thing way before it's happened ie: 48 days, enemy of the state and many others all years before the events have happened so people have just thought imagine if that did happen )

Demolition man 31 years ago thats 4 years before Finland introduced there's. Tin foil hat l don't think so. people with open minds as to what is attempted to be put on us with out real and proper reason  YES think openly for yourself not what the media and influences are trying to tell you to think.

It is an absolute certainty that a digital Id will not prevent people without the ID from being employed. Some local business have been fined for employing illegal workers under the current verification scheme. Rather than paying the fine, which is £2000 per illegal employee, the business goes bust. This results in the director of that business being barred.

A few days after the business goes bust a new business is created with a new director (from the same family that was running the original business) in the same premises, doing the same work and still employing illegal workers.

This will not change with digital ID. Those who want to break the rules will continue to do so.

I cannot see that digital ID will make a scrap of difference to people on boats crossing the channel or the employment prospects of those already here. It is, however, likely to put the personal data of all UK citizens at increased risk of falling into the hands of hackers. 

1 hour ago, pcaouolte said:

It is, however, likely to put the personal data of all UK citizens at increased risk of falling into the hands of hackers. 

2.1 million + (so far) agree. It's interesting to note that the highest percentage of those signing the petition seem to be in traditionally solid Labour seats. Someone a little out of touch with his own voters, perhaps?

11 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

2.1 million + (so far) agree. It's interesting to note that the highest percentage of those signing the petition seem to be in traditionally solid Labour seats. Someone a little out of touch with his own voters, perhaps?

I've just re-looked at it and the map even in the London area is getting darker 😂 theres obviously the very few areas that are still yellow, which l would imagine are full on labour supporter no matter what they do ? But yes there has definitely been a big shift in what everyone is willing to accept and it's good to see.

As to this magna carta laws that l have seen mentioned as I'm not old enough to have been taught it so.. it seems there are only 3 of the 63 laws that are still legal which shows that they have been hard at work to remove them without the public knowledge and are aiming to push us a certain way to give them more legal powers. I would say that we could use there own legal laws against them like the human rights act but they have the judges in there pocket so even that holds no use to us.

I've just had a look and I was surprised that vast majority of countries do have some form of ID card, compulsory or voluntary, paper or biometric/digital. UK is 1 of only 8 countries in the world with no identity card. 

My only concern is the digital hacking scenario. 

The Magna Carta was written nearly 1000 years ago.  The majority of it is not relevant to today's society.

The parts that we still use are the ones about limiting power for monarchy and government, and the right to a fair trial.

Of course, we all know trials aren't actually fair nowadays.  Those are just about who has the best lawyer, effectively meaning who can pay the most for the best lawyer.

A lot of it was based on religion as well, which I strongly disagree with.  Believe whatever you want, but keep politics completely separate from that to be applied equally to everyone.

34 minutes ago, iantt said:

34 minutes ago, iantt said:

I've just had a look and I was surprised that vast majority of countries do have some form of ID.

The difference is though not 1 of them countries have a digital id the same way that Labour is proposing. It would never be safe just look at how many times they have lost info and how many times it has been leaked. Let's not forget 1 of the most advanced technical countries America has even been proven easy to hack and there info shared as n when the gifted have seen fit to access it.  So every person has a right to never trust it.

 

33 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

The Magna Carta was written nearly 1000 years ago.  The majority of it is not relevant to today's society.

The parts that we still use are the ones about limiting power for monarchy and government, and the right to a fair trial.

Of course, we all know trials aren't actually fair nowadays.  Those are just about who has the best lawyer, effectively meaning who can pay the most for the best lawyer.

A lot of it was based on religion as well, which I strongly disagree with.  Believe whatever you want, but keep politics completely separate from that to be applied equally to everyone.

You may think that its not relevant to today but it has proven it would have been hence why thy have removed it because it was taught upto the 50s / 60s from what I've seen. I totally agree that religion should not hold any place in power or for it to be used as reason for decisions. As to it depends who can afford the best lawyer nope it depends on which side the judge sits the legal side or the bought side. The case of that judge sentencing someone for saying they didn't want there money going to the illegals proves it very much then there was that Lucy and all others who have been given harsher sentences than a pedo just for words written or spoken that don't fit the preferred narrative of the left.

My MP is Labour and by the silence of him on his FB page he is NOT LISTENING to his constituent's but wants the ID to come into force, shame on him, Rupert Lowe is gathering MP's who agree with him that this should not go ahead, 12 MP's on my last count, Rupert Lowe has asked Nigel Farage to join forces with with them but Farage has not replied back, MP's should put their beliefs/differences to one side and join forces and get the ID idea thrown out.

The Gov' petition is now at  2,180,375 signatures and rising, to be honest I've never seen a petition rise so high in my life.

Ours is too l don't do any communication with them as they don't listen to what the people say anyway they never have why people still insist on voting them in then still moan is beyond me. I like Rupert Lowe because of how he's willing to stand up and say what we think without being bothered what the rest will say. As to nigel don't go there man 😂 what stazi is doing and Haa done in amount don't hold a candle to what that bleep has done in his time to ruin this country. I think he would bring in a lot worser than the id card if he was put in power and put blair and that to shame.. 

1 hour ago, doggsbody said:

You may think that its not relevant to today but it has proven it would have been hence why thy have removed it because it was taught upto the 50s / 60s from what I've seen.

That hasn't proven anything.  I've read it.  I have made my own decision on which parts are and are not relevant to todays society.  I can assure you that some things taught even in the 80s and 90s were not relevant to todays society, let alone things taught in the 50s and 60s.

4 hours ago, TomsFocus said:

The Magna Carta was written nearly 1000 years ago.  The majority of it is not relevant to today's society.

It wasn't particularly relevant to most of society even back in 1215, when the bulk of the population had very few rights (if any). 

You could argue that it was a least a start on the long hard road to the freedoms we have today, and the erosion of which many are concerned about. 

Having seen what has happened to some of my friends who have suffered hacking of bank and mobile data, the recent attacks on major retailers and the current JLR situation, that aspect alone is enough to cause concern.

It is interesting that our friends over the Channel suggest that we should adopt digital ID as a means of deterring illegal migrants, though they seem to suffer despite having national ID cards.

Afaik the French card is not compulsory, but is a convenient method of proving ID in situations where we have to produce passports/driving licences/utility bills etc.

I believe the situation is similar in Italy, who also suffer high levels of illegal migration.

11 hours ago, TomsFocus said:

That hasn't proven anything.  I've read it.  I have made my own decision on which parts are and are not relevant to todays society.  I can assure you that some things taught even in the 80s and 90s were not relevant to todays society, let alone things taught in the 50s and 60s.

After reading the magna properly and also including the treason act. I will agree as both of them really in essence wasn't to look after us at all it was to look after the royal family from the government ( when you break it down properly ) we do have 1 way but to state it publicly would be stupid because it would allow them to steer clear of it, 1 situation nearly happened which would have given us the perfect opportunity for using there own laws against them but it was shut down ( sort of because it still happens but without the blatant straight out rightness as the previous opportunity was to be ) as it stands at the moment 2 + million are against it and with good reason. If the government can't keep there own secrets safe there is now way they could keep our safe.

On 9/28/2025 at 12:00 PM, doggsbody said:

 I like Rupert Lowe because of how he's willing to stand up and say what we think without being bothered what the rest will say.

I like the fact he stood up and said the state has no place stopping parents taking their kids (who otherwise have a near 100% attendance record) out of school for a holiday one week a year. Particularly after the state was happy enough to shut the schools for 7 soddin' months during Covid... Goddam hypocrites !

On 9/26/2025 at 8:41 AM, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Petition here for anyone not convinced:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194

It was at 20,000 when I first signed it, now at a whopping 2,479,049 signatures and still rising 

39 minutes ago, Ian Lanc said:

now at a whopping 2,479,049 signatures and still rising

If only we could get the illegal immigrants to sign, then it would be well past ten million by now 🤣

6 hours ago, Justin Smith said:

I like the fact he stood up and said the state has no place stopping parents taking their kids (who otherwise have a near 100% attendance record) out of school for a holiday one week a year. Particularly after the state was happy enough to shut the schools for 7 soddin' months during Covid... Goddam hypocrites !

I agree with it 1 week is nothing when you compare it to the kids in behavior schools ( walk out when they like, give abuse when they like, just sit and do nothing as long as they like oohh and let's not forget get taken places to try and curb that behavior ) the parents have allowed because they don't say NO !! just for that easier life. So the kids that stick there heads down and get on should have a good reward if the parents can afford it if not then the school should provide a week somewhere for them to give them the incentive to keep going rather than follow in them kids steps thinking what's the point.

6 hours ago, Ian Lanc said:

It was at 20,000 when I first signed it, now at a whopping 2,479,049 signatures and still rising 

As the Asian lass pointed out on a YouTube video ( yes lads were winning ) well with just over 2.544.154 and rising they definitely won't be now 😂..

As to the illegals signing it, if they actually understood what labours intention is if everything goes there way they'll be working 24/7 as slaves just to live in a poorer state than they do now. Because if you think of it why apart from wanting them here to vote for them what other use would they be apart from ( if they follow Islam ) they all have to do as there told so they would have to be better goodie 2 shoes than us and not answer back otherwise they would be sent back to the hell they came from. It's not rocket science when you think about it.. like an ant colony the leader does nothing while the drones do everything and receives nothing for it. l wish l could speak all there languages so they could understand what there walking into..

14 hours ago, doggsbody said:

l wish l could speak all there languages so they could understand what there walking into..

Reporters are constantly telling migrants what they are walking/sailing into and they'll soon not have a life of luxury, they just don't listen as ill' informed people are telling them how good a life they'll get when they arrive, this video is a shocker and she/family needs to go back to her own country if it's not good enough.......
 

 

On 9/26/2025 at 9:36 PM, doggsbody said:

EU non elected war mongers

On 9/26/2025 at 9:36 PM, doggsbody said:

which brings us to ) the Ukrainian war why do you think it was started, it wasn't by Russia as the saying goes the EU poked the bear to get a reaction because they want control of the resources Russia has

I think you need to read up a bit on the history of Ukraine then you will see why they want closer ties with Europe and NATO membership. As for your comment about EU warmongers poking the bear this is total rubbish - The EU leaders are only too well aware of the consequences of war on their populations and economies and are understandably hesitant to push Putin too far and give him an excuse for extending his war. That's why he was allowed to get away with annexing Crimea which in my opinion was a mistake which only emboldened him. I deliberately say 'his' war because, contrary to what you seem to think, he started it in response to the Ukrainians kicking out their Russian-inclined president and electing an EU-inclined one, in the process tearing up an agreement that was supposed to guarantee Ukraine's sovereignty and independence. He's the one poking the EU with his military incursions of their airspace, trying to provoke a reaction that will let him spread the war. His only interest is in trying to re-establish as much as possible of the old Soviet Union.

Well, you did say you're open to anyone saying your wrong about anything and I'm saying exactly that.

2 hours ago, mjt said:

I think you need to read up a bit on the history of Ukraine then you will see why they want closer ties with Europe and NATO membership. As for your comment about EU warmongers poking the bear this is total rubbish - The EU leaders are only too well aware of the consequences of war on their populations and economies and are understandably hesitant to push Putin too far and give him an excuse for extending his war. That's why he was allowed to get away with annexing Crimea which in my opinion was a mistake which only emboldened him. I deliberately say 'his' war because, contrary to what you seem to think, he started it in response to the Ukrainians kicking out their Russian-inclined president and electing an EU-inclined one, in the process tearing up an agreement that was supposed to guarantee Ukraine's sovereignty and independence. He's the one poking the EU with his military incursions of their airspace, trying to provoke a reaction that will let him spread the war. His only interest is in trying to re-establish as much as possible of the old Soviet Union.

Well, you did say you're open to anyone saying your wrong about anything and I'm saying exactly that.

I have followed it and learnt to understand it. The previous president who you say was Russian inclined 😂 l think if you look it up properly he was as much for the west side as zelinsky ( obviously high up people spoke with zelinsky you know like Boris going over and telling him not to sign the agreement ) which would have held putins push further into Ukraine in feb 2022 a few months after he first moved troops to the border in about Aug 2021 that was 3 years after the 2019 election that you are referring to. As to chrimea no l don't agree with that it's a part of Ukraine and it should have remained that way . But putin knew what would happen and always has that's why he was a kgb agent and even learnt about our western life and made it as president for so long because he knows what he's doing and what he's keeping away and l don't blame him for that.

If the EU leaders was all to aware. why stick there nose in and still keep the offer of joining the EU dangling like a carrot for zelinsky and as l mentioned sending Boris to have a cup of Tea with him. It was proven that he was promised a lot by the previous American government and the EU the way he demanded things from trump during their live meeting.

As to spreading the war you obviously don't understand in that way. If he wanted to spread the war he has that nukes plastered all over Russia they lost count of where they all where situated at the collapse of the ussr l believe the kgb will know exactly how many and where each and everyone is to this day.

As l said l don't know everything but if your going to fire stuff make sure it's correct