So you going to give up your freedom and be told what you can and can't do. Then eventually be told if you can eat or what you can and can't eat ? Me never they can shove it simple as..

Let's make it easier to understand for those who probably think ( crack pot ) why is it we need id when we already have na ni number driver license passports n many other variations of id. So we're being told it's needed for a problem that the government party's have allowed all for the reason to bring it in after Tony blair wanted it years ago now there going to try and make us use it just like the covid jab all for the purpose of control. 

So what happens with digital id.. it apparently will be used to prove you have a right to work, then physical money will disappear so then they use it the id to attach your payment too, that in turn will allow them to decide with the push of a button possibly using Ai as it'll be able to process things faster, then in turn to that if family / friends or anyone helps you and there found out they'll be subject to the same and let's not forget the you'll have nothing and be happy part of it. 

The only way where going to be run like China is if we allow it the biggest part of the majority have to refuse to have have to pay for it no matter what they try to use to make us abide by it. They don't own you yet but if you accept the id then they will.

Without delving into the 'tinhat' area, not everyone drives or goes abroad therefore don't have a driver's license or passport! 

There's a vast number of countries that aren't China that have digital ID 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_identification

 

I've no problem with carrying another ID. The government are quite capable of tracking me now using the records that they already have, NI number so they know where I work and what I earn. Driving licence so they know where I live. Car registration documents so they know what I drive. Access to my bank accounts so they can wonder how I survive.

My biggest concern with this is what they are going to expect us to pay for it. Will the cost be similar to a passport because they will need to perform similar identity checks to the ones required for a passport? 

The claim is this will reduce illegal immigration by making it impossible to get a job without one, but doesn't that already apply to NI number etc?

Petition here for anyone not convinced:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194

I think this is being over-inflated by the media.  As far as I can tell, it's just a glorified NI number that would be accessed by a smartphone app.  Likely with a rolling security code, unlike an NI number which is easy to steal.

As has been said already, we don't all have a passport.  I've found it impossible to access some gov't services without one.  So put considerable time & effort into getting one this year, but couldn't because the application process was not accessible and no reasonable adjustments were made.  If the new digital ID allows me to access the services that a passport would've done, then I'm for it, as they'll have to make the application process for these much more accessible if they are to be mandatory for everyone in the country.

As for cost, I would expect them to be 'free', taken from the tax pot.

10 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

As has been said already, we don't all have a passport. 

We don't all have a smartphone either, especially our elderly parents etc

And, as far as the govt. will be told, I don't have a smart phone either👍

The big worry here for many people is the potential "hackability" of the system, the contents of which would be a rich prize for those of criminal intent.

Given the major data hacks of banks, retailers, the Pentagon and currently JLR who are losing £billions, I'm not at all convinced HMG can do a better job.

That's aside from the political aspect of many feeling that the law abiding are being inconvenienced  because of reluctance to take more robust practical measures to address the issue.

I doubt illegal migrants are getting work because of their skill at faking existing systems. People who give them work know that it is illegal to do so and will no doubt continue to flout any laws/systems. I'm sure we all know of colonies of caravans full of migrant workers or dubious hand car wash sites.

Tom's point is a good one, but surely the answer is to make existing processes more accessible by phone/paper/personal contact, not introduce yet another layer of tech. 

 

 

17 minutes ago, DaveT70 said:

We don't all have a smartphone either, especially our elderly parents etc

And, as far as the govt. will be told, I don't have a smart phone either👍

If you've got a contract phone, the gov't already know you own it from the credit report.

9 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

As for cost, I would expect them to be 'free', taken from the tax pot.

According to the news this morning they will be free for UK citizens.

Although there does seem to be a lot of confusion within government about how they will be implemented. According to the BBC:

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Culture Secretary Lisa Nandy told Radio 5 Live: "We're not envisaging for a moment that this will be mandatory.”

Later the same day:

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Culture Secretary Lisa Nandy says "all UK citizens" will have to have the digital ID and it will be compulsory if "you want to work in this country".

Some are saying that pensioners who don't work wont need a digital ID, which might help to overcome some of the smartphone requirement. It all seems to be a mess before its got going.

3 minutes ago, pcaouolte said:

It all seems to be a mess before its got going.

Nothing new there, then!😀

In fairness, everything new takes some trial and error to get right.  So I wouldn't be too worried that at this stage.  What does concern me though is that certain gov't services never seem to learn and improve over time...probably best I don't get started on that in this thread though.  

45 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

If you've got a contract phone, the gov't already know you own it from the credit report.

I don't👍

1 minute ago, DaveT70 said:

I don't👍

Me neither!

6 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Me neither!

That makes 3 of us then!  

I am against ID cards, particularly digital ones. What they did to us all during the Covid madness (I still cannot quite believe they really got away with all those unprecedented draconian restrictions they imposed on us all ! ) has convinced me we must limit government's powers over us.

The only possible benefit I can see it to try a limit illegal immigration, but France had ID cards and still suffers from massive illegal immigration : so it doesn't work does it ?

35 minutes ago, Justin Smith said:

What they did to us all during the Covid madness

I wouldn't want to reopen that debate on here!😀

However, an apparently quite reasonable argument in favour of ID cards, widespread CCTV, and other measures, is that "if you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear".

The problem with that is whose definition of "wrong" applies". We already see enough examples of what George Orwell termed "thought crime".

If we're opining the covid debate, we should probably open the Brexit one too...  Just this week I've had to spend an additional 20% on an item again because 52% of you thought it'd be a good idea to leave the EU...  Still yet to see anything positive come from it.

So personally I don't trust the government or the general public to make decisions!

33 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

because half of you thought it'd be a good idea to leave the EU... 

That can't be right.

If the result was 50/50 then we would still be talking about having yet another referendum.

6 minutes ago, unofix said:

That can't be right.

If the result was 50/50 then we would still be talking about having yet another referendum.

My apologies.  Edited for accuracy.  

 

41 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

Just this week I've had to spend an additional 20% on an item again because 52% of you thought it'd be a good idea to leave the EU... 

 

1 hour ago, TomsFocus said:

Just this week I've had to spend an additional 20% on an item again because 52% of you thought it'd be a good idea to leave the EU..

Well, if you'd only mentioned it beforehand.........  😀

I'm sure I saw some helpful advice about it on a bus just before we voted?

Was it this one?

or this one?

I don't go abroad either so l don't have a passport, but before l had a drivers licence l still had a ni number birth certificate and other ways of proving who l am and where l from. I get the understanding of an id card but it still doesn't stop anyone from working as a backhander deliver roo and other fast food delivery places have proven that they can be still be registered as 1 person but used by many. It's never been a problem not to have it here l think because unlike all the other we don't have surrounding countries that have a border that can be just walked over.

But the main part to wanting introduce an id here isn't for the purpose of what there trying to make out. As the wannabe great man told us our open borders and more was all an experiment. Just like the jab this will be another test to see how far they can push there control and it's not delving into tin foil hat territory it's pure fact of what there trying to do because if they can control the uk all others will follow in suit.

As to brexit why has that not proved to have worked well they don't want it too that's why we haven't left it properly they tell us we have but the fact eu laws are still used rather than removed and our own restored says it, the fact they still treat it like we have to obey eu law says it too. There's too many things that say we haven't left the thing at all it's just made to look like we have thats why they are working in the back ground at putting everything back to how it was without the uks permission.

Also as to the argument of it seems like it's a favorable thing to have an id card just look at the map on the petition at home much dark red there is. London is the only big majority area that's yellow the biggest part of the country is against it.

So will they force into it they will try but will it work l don't think so over 1 million have signed it and it's still continuing to rise they aren't going to win this 1 😎👍

2 hours ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Well, if you'd only mentioned it beforehand.........  😀

Fairly sure 48% of us did say everything would cost more and take longer to get through borders.

On a serious note though, the point was really that I never understood what was meant to be gained practically from Brexit.  And nearly a decade later I still don't see what's been gained from it.  All I can see is that everything costs more and a lot of things are more difficult to source from the UK now, exactly as expected!

I do accept that it was poor timing, coinciding with covid and the Ukraine war etc.  But saying that, it should have never have taken so long to make the decision and put the plans into action.  Which goes back to not trusting other people to get anything right, regardless of being in government or not!

15 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

On a serious note though, the point was really that I never understood what was meant to be gained practically from Brexit.

Well, we weren't supposed to be bringing this one up again, but for the people I know it was never about money despite the big fibs told by both sides in the debate.

Our group of friends were pretty evenly split either way, but had long held and carefully considered views on the matter. We never even discussed it at the time as we all knew what our views were, and respected the reasons behind them.

Everyone was in agreement that whatever the outcome, that should be respected and we as a country should work together towards getting the best possible result.

I doubt that many politicians, of whatever party, could put hand on heart and say the same.