Fiesta St3 With Mp215.

[MarksST]

Superchips are the U.K.'s market leader for remapping & their warranty is fine.

Surely the superchips warranty just covers their product and not the car? Eg if something happened to the car and ford said the map caused it they won't pay out, will superchips repair the car?

[MONDEO TXS 2.2]

15 seconds is not a long time & the overboost range is rarely used in ordinary driving.

[MONDEO TXS 2.2]

Superchips warranty on their product is lifetime, on the car it's the lesser of 12 months / 30,000 miles.

[MarksST]

issue being it's £600 odd to buy, Bluefin reckon theirs takes the car to 228BHP alone, combine that with a better airfilter which you can get for £199 such as the ITG one you'd have a better set up, I know there is no warranty come back but still no one has had problems, I know which option I'd pick.

Bluefin £400 ITG £200 same price as the MP215 but with no warranty, they claim more bhp but only 2Nm more.

Finsport who helped develop the ITG kit now make their own induction kit which, they say they had better gains from it over the ITG, their new kit is a copy of the Mountune airbox with thief logo cut in the side.

[MarksST]

15 seconds is not a long time & the overboost range is rarely used in ordinary driving.

15 seconds is a long time at WOT, so I can't say the car has 200 ps even though it will rarely time out of overboost, which if it did that would be the only condition the car would have 182ps?

[MONDEO TXS 2.2]

£600 + for 7.5 % improvement or a little more % from Bluefin for less £ - neither really impress me, the 1.6 ecoboost needs at least an extra 50 - 60 b.h.p. & similar extra torque to justify the £ i.m.o.

[MONDEO TXS 2.2]

It'll rarely be on overboost during normal everyday driving as the revs won't be there to demand overboost & even when it is , only for 15 seconds at a time.

[MarksST]

£600 + for 7.5 % improvement or a little more % from Bluefin for less £ - neither really impress me, the 1.6 ecoboost needs at least an extra 50 - 60 b.h.p. & similar extra torque to justify the £ i.m.o.

60bhp on top of the 180 would mean intercooler, induction kit, and sportscat/decat, £1400-£2000

60bhp on top of 200 would also mean a hybrid turbo and possibly boost hoses, £3000

[MarksST]

It'll rarely be on overboost during normal everyday driving as the revs won't be there to demand overboost & even when it is , only for 15 seconds at a time.

Overboost is on Wide Open Throttle not at a certain amount of revs,

[MONDEO TXS 2.2]

How often does anyone normally drive on W.O.T. ?

Rarely, if ever for any period of time.

& engine revolutions are linked to vehicle speed in any given gear, W.O.T. equals higher revs & higher revs is where overboost is useful ( overtaking etc )

[Russdaz]

Superchips warranty on their product is lifetime, on the car it's the lesser of 12 months / 30,000 miles.

Yeah there products, which doesn't include ford pistons injectors etc.. Even if your gearbox fails you won't be covered as ford could argue it was built to with stand the way the power is developed.

Agree though £650 for 7.9% doesn't sound good compared to desiel s or some others.. But maybe that tells you this engine is pretty well built to start with??

[Russdaz]

Bluefin £400 ITG £200 same price as the MP215 but with no warranty, they claim more bhp but only 2Nm more.

Finsport who helped develop the ITG kit now make their own induction kit which, they say they had better gains from it over the ITG, their new kit is a copy of the Mountune airbox with thief logo cut in the side.

Not only that but has any one run or seen a Mountune mp215 and that set up run on the same dyno?

I am very sceptical about bluefin claims they always seem higher, yet on dyno runs against others seem down on power.

[Russdaz]

Oh and as for comparing top end speed and power against others for me is pointless. I brought my fiesta cuz I like how it looks I love the Orange colour, and more importantly how it handled! And now how it sounds lol. The Vxr and clio just arnt as fun!

[MONDEO TXS 2.2]

Diesels rev a lot lower than petrol engines, so there's less stress on the engine & also all engines are manufactured / designed conservatively as far as power output is concerned, any engine should easily cope with up to 20% extra output without issue & diesels especially.

[Russdaz]

Diesels rev a lot lower than petrol engines, so there's less stress on the engine & also all engines are manufactured / designed conservatively as far as power output is concerned, any engine should easily cope with up to 20% extra output without issue & diesels especially.

True in most case I think.. But no offence you might have missed my point a little with this engine bit.. I was referring specifically to the St engine.. Ford don't have this power any where else.. Most other none sports cars if you like have some eco in mind.

Plus you factor some drivability into things. This Mountune does make a larger difference then I thought it would..my initial thoughts are Ford's standard map isn't far from the most the chassis can handle in the wet.

[MONDEO TXS 2.2]

I agree the 1.6 ecoboost is an amazing achievement !

Ford do have another amazing engine though - it's in the Focus ST 3 petrol version.

[Russdaz]

Oh agree that's another amazing bit of kit, but again look at the before and after figures on the compared maps the increase is the around 25bhp.

[MONDEO TXS 2.2]

With 250 b.h.p. & 360 nm it doesn't remapping !

[MattDRX]

The Clio is much more fun to drive, just costs £22.5k for a skinned and Nav'd model, too much money for a Renault. Most people chucking that money at a hatchback would have gone for a JCW or S1.

Anyway, done some Math.

For 300BHP properly done.

CAF £199

Airtec Cooler £350

Hoses £150

Garrett Hybrid Turbo £950 for appropriate fan sizes ( this matter more than just the PSI fig )

Bespoke mapping session £500, can't run a hybrid on a pony Mountune or Superchips map, just won't be good.

Full Turbo Back system and Sports Cat £1400.

DIY is relatively easy to do if you have the tools, just need to fit it all and take to someone to custom map it.

For around £4k ish and buying the car new you should have something relatively on par with a 135M or S3 / Golf R etc with about a 6k saving, 300BHP and whatever torque figure it is chucking out should be well under 6secs and pull through 5th and 6th with ease, anymore you'd be looking at needing Forged internals and having the issue with rebuilds every now and then if using daily as they hate cold starts.

Quite good ecomony when comparing it to ze germans produkt.

[Phil 87]

^ I'd love to see / drive an actual car with these sort of upgrades :). Surely you'd need to do something to the gearbox though, considering Ford were worried about the gearbox with the 230 upgrade?

[Russdaz]

Drove a clio sport dont like the looks, and didn't like the drive. All reports I have seen claim the fiesta to be the best handling.. Bhp isn't everything on roads.

[MattDRX]

The Clio actually does the ST on tracktimes, just most people reviewing them never really came across a 1.6 hatch with Paddleshift gears and they caned it.

The box should be fine, Pumaspeed do packs for up to 400BHP now with no mods so it must have survived their testing, the only step up from that is that stupid sitech one for 610BHP, 15K but you get a bigger fuel tank and new ceramic gears and clutch etc.

Ford boxes historically are pretty solid, hundred of people chucked monster power at Sierras and escorts and they are still going strong ( bar the rust ) same for Focus ST and RS, they had far bigger power through them without major issue, only one the RS has was that crappy plastic inlet that used to melt and end up inside the head lol

[Phil 87]

The Clio is much more fun to drive, just costs £22.5k for a skinned and Nav'd model, too much money for a Renault. Most people chucking that money at a hatchback would have gone for a JCW or S1.

Drove a clio sport dont like the looks, and didn't like the drive. All reports I have seen claim the fiesta to be the best handling.. Bhp isn't everything on roads.

I assume you're both talking about the latest Clio? I considered that but settled on the ST when I realised every magazine / car website recommended it. Then a test drive of the ST sealed the deal.

I haven't driven the Clio but I'm sure it's great to drive. I don't mind so much that you can't have a manual - a good dual clutch gearbox will be fun in a different way. And then you can just put it in auto and relax, drive with one foot and one hand on the wheel :)

[Russdaz]

Yeah I drove the latest, and BMW msport 1 series.. Both quicker on paper but didn't feel as good on the road.. Plus I prefer the looks of the St.. Have driven a tt on the track to, quicker but just didn't feel as much fun? The mp215 is as quick as the clio sport on track and still cheaper unless you something slightly different like mine.

[MattDRX]

Yeah, the older one prior was pants, drove like a 1.2 under 5k RPM and a pig on fuel. I would of had one tbh over the ST but there was none going 2nd hand at the time for under 19K and didn't fancy stumping up 22,495 ( plus £1250 for yellow paint ) for a new one and then having to wait 12 weeks for it to arrive damaged and get through any teething problems, it doesn't warrant being like 20% more expensive, it's not that much better. ST does win for seating and ergonomic though, they are now similar priced, can get a 13 plate for £12k now, quite tempting if I actually needed 3 cars lol,

One thing the ST needed though was that !Removed! arm rest to be 1. Comfortable and not solid plastic, 2. actually be usable and 6inches too far back, that proper bugged the crap out of.

I would love to see Seitechs one chucking out 610BHP must be nuts, you could even buy that car 2nd hand and buy the pack for under £30K and probably destroy most cars on the road that cost under like 100K lol