Thinking Of Getting A Mondeo

[jeebowhite]

bluetooth is more likely but USB is not often provided. Best thing to do is put the number plate into Ford etis to check what it has.

Diesels normally don't differ much, of course revs are different with torque but general maintenance is key. Make sure the car gets a good service, not just oil change. Make sure the oil level is correctly leveled, blank off the egr valve and make sure you get 6 months warranty or if they offer less ensure you remind them of your 6 months rights under the sale of goods act.

As long as it's maintained well, fuel is correct and you give the engine a Chace to warm (let the glow plug light go out) before starting the engine, and don't stop the engine with the turbo in flight.

Otherwise everything else is just by and by.

[amraam]

Bluetooth is more likely but USB is not often provided. Best thing to do is put the number plate into Ford etis to check what it has.

Diesels normally don't differ much, of course revs are different with torque but general maintenance is key. Make sure the car gets a good service, not just oil change. Make sure the oil level is correctly leveled, blank off the egr valve and make sure you get 6 months warranty or if they offer less ensure you remind them of your 6 months rights under the sale of goods act.

As long as it's maintained well, fuel is correct and you give the engine a Chace to warm (let the glow plug light go out) before starting the engine, and don't stop the engine with the turbo in flight.

Otherwise everything else is just by and by.

Thanks very much, very helpful. I can't see the option on the Ford etis website to enter a reg, only VIN.

EDIT: Found it but it can only find EK57OYE, and not SK57 UPK.

And just found this too :D

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201408236821979/sort/locasc/radius/1500/model/mondeo/usedcars/postcode/ne77rt/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-mileage/up_to_60000_miles/fuel-type/diesel/price-to/7500/maximum-age/up_to_6_years_old/make/ford/page/1/engine-size-cars/1-7l_to_1-9l/transmission/manual?logcode=p

[jeebowhite]

Open in Internet Explorer I have the same issue with Firefox

[Brycie]

Thanks very much, very helpful. I can't see the option on the Ford etis website to enter a reg, only VIN.

EDIT: Found it but it can only find EK57OYE, and not SK57 UPK.

And just found this too :D

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201408236821979/sort/locasc/radius/1500/model/mondeo/usedcars/postcode/ne77rt/onesearchad/used,nearlynew,new/maximum-mileage/up_to_60000_miles/fuel-type/diesel/price-to/7500/maximum-age/up_to_6_years_old/make/ford/page/1/engine-size-cars/1-7l_to_1-9l/transmission/manual?logcode=p

That one may be newer, but it's a lower trim level. So you'd have to decide whether you'd prefer a higher spec level or a newer car. Only you can decide that. Is depreciation important to you, or will you be keeping it & running it into the ground? If you're keeping it, then a higher spec level will make for more pleasurable ownership.

[amraam]

That one may be newer, but it's a lower trim level. So you'd have to decide whether you'd prefer a higher spec level or a newer car. Only you can decide that. Is depreciation important to you, or will you be keeping it & running it into the ground? If you're keeping it, then a higher spec level will make for more pleasurable ownership.

My thinking is newer and less miles potentially means less likely to have problem. It doesn't work like that in stone, but it's a couple of options.

[jeebowhite]

Both definitely have their advantage, the titanium you have their own advert is no different to mine really and that's zetec spec so I would even consider looking as 'low' spec as the zetec, it's a great motor with the main toys

[Brycie]

Both definitely have their advantage, the titanium you have their own advert is no different to mine really and that's zetec spec so I would even consider looking as 'low' spec as the zetec, it's a great motor with the main toys

Hope I didn't offend you Jeebowhite, with my comments, no offence intended. When we were shopping around, the two 'must haves' as far as my Wife was concerned were bluetooth phone connectivity and both front AND rear parking sensors. Only the Titanium X had both of these things. Other things she classified as luxuries were the Power Start button & heated seats, but these were negotiable. So I'm just trying to pass on my own experiences of shopping around between spec levels. The Zetec the OP posted doesn't look like it has the Convers+ display, which I thought might be a nice feature to have, which the two Titanium cars linked, both have.

Again, no offence intended.

[jeebowhite]

Absolutely no offence was taken mate don't worry, I didn't mean it to seem it was.

Converse is nice, maybe I would enjoy it if I had it. I had no parking sensors on mine, fitted front and rear myself for 20 quid, take a look at mindel the mondeo build thread in my signature.

Sometimes I think the titanium spec can be overrated, not always but when former owners buy a new titanium which is basically zetec spec with little else I don't think there's any point investing the extra money for a spec that only has 3 more letters lol

Honestly if any offence was ever caused on these forums I would say lol.

Again any car can be fitted with some luxuries, heck you can buy a zetec and kit it out with as many toys as top spec. It depends how much effort you want to invest. If you find a titanium with all the toys for the right price and right engine and you like it, get it, but if you find less spec with some toys missing don't feel you have to wait if you don't really want to ;-)

[Brycie]

Thank God for that. It wouldn't have been a good start to life on FOC if I was upsetting people already lol.

The OP really needs to decide what are must haves I guess, in terms of spec. Also to consider, how willing/able to do modifications if some extras ARE desired - like parking sensors etc.

[jeebowhite]

Definitely necessary to be considered. I'm comfortable doing a lot of mods would be happy to do more if my budget was as large as my wish list lol.

Even then, if the op wasn't confident doing things personally there are always places like this for advice, step by step guides or offers of helping hands :-)

[The Admiral]

I've got to agree with brycie I couldn't buy a car without certain toys like bluetooth , directional headlights, folding power mirrors etc , I only went over to Ford when the mk1 Mondeo came out in the 1995 for the heated windscreen as it was genius especially at 5am in morning when the car was like an icecube in winter.

[amraam]

Thanks all. My essential toys list is quite small really.

Essentials:

Cruise Control

Climate Control

bluetooth HF

Audio In (ideall BT or USB, but analogue Aux in would suffice)

Not be silly slow - last car was an Astra VXR

Rear Parking Sensors (mondeo is a lot bigger than previous cars)

Big boot (RC Helicopters and plane are almost 1.5m in length)

Nice sounding audio, but no need for audiophile level.

Air Con

Things I'd like but could live without:

Heated seats

Front Parking sensors

Start/Stop button

Sat Nav (I'd use Google Maps usually anyway)

I'm no dedicated petrol head, but I'm happy to attempt basic mods myself. I'd rather parking sensors be factory fitted / OEM, but I've installed ICE stuff before so I can't imagine parking sensors (apart from drilling the holes) being that much more difficult.

On the subject of performance, how easy is it to increase the 0-60 time on the 1.8tdci? Sounds like a bluefin box is an easy route, but how much real life performance does the increase in torque and bhp give?

Thanks!!

[BOF]

So do all Mondeos 2L diesel or higher have DPF? Even pre 2009?

I've decided not to go for that one I linked above - too big and not as good nick as I'd like. What about this 1.8 TDCI diesel Titanium X?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201408156628861/sort/locasc/model/mondeo/fuel-type/diesel/price-to/7500/transmission/manual/page/1/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/usedcars/make/ford/postcode/ne77rt/engine-size-cars/1-7l_to_1-9l/maximum-mileage/up_to_60000_miles/keywords/titanium/maximum-age/up_to_8_years_old?logcode=p

Or this one?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201405094073476/sort/locasc/model/mondeo/fuel-type/diesel/price-to/7500/transmission/manual/page/1/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/usedcars/make/ford/postcode/ne77rt/engine-size-cars/1-7l_to_1-9l/maximum-mileage/up_to_60000_miles/keywords/titanium/maximum-age/up_to_8_years_old?logcode=p

No sat nav, but really not bothered about that.

What about DMF and injectors however? When do they usually go and are they silly money?

AFAIK all Mk 4 2 litres have DPF. DMF failures are reckoned to start from about 80 k or so, but it depends how they have been driven and it wouldn't really surprise me if some vehicles make it to nearly twice, that without a problem.

Injectors is a bit more random, and, if I had to guess I'd say that they don't really start until about 100k and then it is difficult to predict, but they may be better on better fuel.

Both of the cars that you linked have non-DAB radios (one I can't see, but the date strongly suggests it), if that's a factor, and one has a tow bar, which, if it was me, I'd like to avoid; it depends on what has been done with it, but you can't really tell.

Note that the 1.8 doesn't really get you better fuel economy, at least according to the official figures, which are unreliable and doesn't get you cheaper tax, but you may get better availability of cars to choose from. That might be particularly true in relatively high spec form, because anyone prepared to go for the Titanium spec or above will probably want the most power that they can get, too.

[amraam]

AFAIK all Mk 4 2 litres have DPF. DMF failures are reckoned to start from about 80 k or so, but it depends how they have been driven and it wouldn't really surprise me if some vehicles make it to nearly twice, that without a problem.

Injectors is a bit more random, and, if I had to guess I'd say that they don't really start until about 100k and then it is difficult to predict, but they may be better on better fuel.

Both of the cars that you linked have non-DAB radios (one I can't see, but the date strongly suggests it), if that's a factor, and one has a tow bar, which, if it was me, I'd like to avoid; it depends on what has been done with it, but you can't really tell.

Note that the 1.8 doesn't really get you better fuel economy, at least according to the official figures, which are unreliable and doesn't get you cheaper tax, but you may get better availability of cars to choose from. That might be particularly true in relatively high spec form, because anyone prepared to go for the Titanium spec or above will probably want the most power that they can get, too.

Thanks for that. I'm looking at the 1.8 not because of it's economy, but that it doesn't have a DPF. Diesels aren't as rare as the petrol so if I can get a diesel Zetec or Titanium with all the toys for less, than it's an option to seriously consider. Plus, you can tune them much more easily and further than a normally aspirated petrol.

I think I'm mostly interested in this white one, albeit for a little over budget. I can't see me not getting it down to £7k to be honest: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201408236821979/sort/locasc/model/mondeo/fuel-type/diesel/price-to/7500/transmission/manual/page/1/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/usedcars/make/ford/postcode/ne77rt/engine-size-cars/1-7l_to_1-9l/maximum-mileage/up_to_70000_miles/maximum-age/up_to_8_years_old?logcode=p

Zetec spec, so no start/stop or heated seats etc, but has the sat nav DAB radio, BT etc. Ticks all of the boxes.

[BOF]

Oh, be careful! After a certain point (and I'm not exactly sure what that was; maybe someone else will know), even the 1.8 got a DPF, and you'll need to check that 2010 car.

Note that that example is quite a decent spec because it is a Zetec Sport (maybe it also had some upgrades at purchase time, you can't tell a lot from those few pictures); a plain Zetec would have been a lower spec than that.

What they say is:

White, SAT NAV, BLUETOOTH, ZETEC SPORT, ANTI-LOCK BRAKES, CLIMATE CONTROL, AIR CONDITIONING, ALARM, POWER STEERING, DRIVERS AIR BAG, inch17 ALLOY WHEELS, CRUISE-CONTROL, SATELLITE NAVIGATION, TRACTION CONTROL, COMPUTER, TINTED GLASS, ENGINE IMMOBILISER, FRONT FOG LAMPS, SPLIT REAR SEAT, REAR WASH WIPE, ELECTRIC WINDOWS, CENTRAL LOCKING, TRIP COMPUTER, REV COUNTER, Cloth interior, BLUETOOTH, ZETEC SPORT, COMPACT DISC PLAYER, REAR PARKING SENSORS. 5 seats,

Putting the touch screen/sat nav to one side (check if that is DAB - I wouldn't be surprised if it was, but I don't know), most of the stuff listed is standard across the range.

It says 'Air Con' and everything has that; it actually has the dual zone DEATC, or whatever they call it, and it is only the EDGE that doesn't have that (it has the simpler, 'turn to red for hot, blue for cold' single zone job).

Alloys; only the Edge has steels, but there are various different designs and sizes; 17 inches is a good compromise between sportiness and comfort, but it doesn't say what width. By the time that you get to the facelift (...which this isn't, but it is close in time...) the tyres get narrower in the interests of fuel economy. Usually, when I tell people tell me that I wouldn't want the narrower tyres, they tell me I'm wrong...which is odd.

Parking sensors are good (it is a big car, and really the only time that feels like a disadvantage, is in parking), but, as been pointed out that is something that can be retrofitted quite cheaply.

I think tinted glass is only standard above, say, Zetec, but I'm not sure on that one.

Trip Computer; well, the nicest is the converse+ (Titanium up), but you get a trip computer with little info in a plain Zetec and more info as you go up or get later in time. (Not clear if this has converse+; not enough photos)

Fog lights; not on Edge.

bluetooth, not sure where in the range that comes in. But, not all bluetooth is the same.

So, yes, while it is well equipped, but that's mostly because all Mondys, except the Edge, are well equipped. Even the plain Zetec isn't bad, except for the plain Ford radio.

[amraam]

Thanks. Fuel economy isn't my greatest concern unless it's sub 25. The annual tax for that car is £180 - surely if it had a DPF it would be a lot lower? Or am I completely wrong?

I'm familiar with the different trim levels from my research - that white one ticks all of the boxes. Currently, it's between this white one and the 57 Titanium at Trinity motors. The converse + looks really nice but it's not essential to me; I'd rather the higher specced radio. Even if I get a Zetec without the satnav, I could just replace the stereo with one of the OEM style Zenec touchscreen units for about £650.

If I punch the reg into Ford etis, will it say if it has a DPF? Is there a way to visually check for one? I really don't want a car with a DPF as most of my miles are short hops, but if a perfect car comes along with one, I'll just take the car out for a good long drive every month.

EDIT: According to this, the DPF was introduced to the 1.8 TDCI in July 2011

http://www.talkford.com/topic/196173-does-my-2010-18tdci-have-a-dpf-fitted-or-not/

EDIT2: Ford Etis is one crappy site! It keeps giving errors! Anyway, 2L TDCI is £130 tax, whereas the smaller 1.8 TDCI is higher tax at £180. Pretty convinced then that it does not have a DPF...

[FOCA]

Thanks. Fuel economy isn't my greatest concern unless it's sub 25. The annual tax for that car is £180 - surely if it had a DPF it would be a lot lower? Or am I completely wrong?

I'm familiar with the different trim levels from my research - that white one ticks all of the boxes. Currently, it's between this white one and the 57 Titanium at Trinity motors. The converse + looks really nice but it's not essential to me; I'd rather the higher specced radio. Even if I get a Zetec without the satnav, I could just replace the stereo with one of the OEM style Zenec touchscreen units for about £650.

If I punch the reg into Ford etis, will it say if it has a DPF? Is there a way to visually check for one? I really don't want a car with a DPF as most of my miles are short hops, but if a perfect car comes along with one, I'll just take the car out for a good long drive every month.

EDIT: According to this, the DPF was introduced to the 1.8 TDCI in July 2011

http://www.talkford.com/topic/196173-does-my-2010-18tdci-have-a-dpf-fitted-or-not/

EDIT2: Ford Etis is one crappy site! It keeps giving errors! Anyway, 2L TDCI is £130 tax, whereas the smaller 1.8 TDCI is higher tax at £180. Pretty convinced then that it does not have a DPF...

Just get the car you want, with a DPF, and fix it later

[amraam]

Just get the car you want, with a DPF, and fix it later

Except they cost about £700 to fix on a mondeo? I got rid of my VXR due to it's endless expensive faults ha!

If I get a car with a DPF it's very likely that I will kill it as I do 6k a year and they're primarily short hops.

[FOCA]

Except they cost about £700 to fix on a mondeo? I got rid of my VXR due to it's endless expensive faults ha!

If I get a car with a DPF it's very likely that I will kill it as I do 6k a year and they're primarily short hops.

I mean "fix" the DPF, properly, for good

[amraam]

I mean "fix" the DPF, properly, for good

Is that a subtle hint to say get it and remove it? haha

[jeebowhite]

Pretty much lol.

As I say I got the 1.8 I get 650-750 miles per tank around 14-18p per mile, egr blanked no dpf to worry about installed M y own sensors and parking cam for under 60 all in.

Audio in is aux on my cd6000 unit, no bluetooth, but you can get after markets for 180 with all sat nav bluetooth etc etc.

Audio sounds great and I don't think it's too bad on surround sound but never had a full system in the car.

It will feel slow compared to the vxr but anything under vxr or St will...

All the rest you want is standard on zetec though.

[Brycie]

Oh, be careful! After a certain point (and I'm not exactly sure what that was; maybe someone else will know), even the 1.8 got a DPF, and you'll need to check that 2010 car.

Just checked after you mentioned that. Looks like the 2010 1.8 will have a dpf after all, according to this site: (last sentence in the "What Is A DPF" section)

http://www.quantumtuning.co.uk/dpf-removal-delete.aspx

[amraam]

Just checked after you mentioned that. Looks like the 2010 1.8 will have a dpf after all, according to this site: (last sentence in the "What Is A DPF" section)http://www.quantumtuning.co.uk/dpf-removal-delete.aspx

Not according to etis? It's just says stage IV next to emissions, no mention of DPF.

[Brycie]

That's alright then. I guess yours must be one of the last ones to leave the factory before they started fitting them. It does seem like a well equipped car at a decent price for the age. Ours is January 2011 registered, so not much younger & egos states stage V on ours, so it checks out that yours doesn't have one. Result!!

[amraam]

That one sold this morning unfortunately. I could just get a normal zetec or titanium and upgrade the stereo?

Still keen to see this one, but just noticed damage to the grill also:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201408156628861/sort/locasc/model/mondeo/usedcars/body-type/hatchback/transmission/manual/price-to/7500/price-from/500/make/ford/page/1/maximum-mileage/up_to_60000_miles/maximum-age/up_to_7_years_old/postcode/ne77rt/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew?logcode=p

Hopefully just a pheasant or something, but who knows?