Colin1969 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Due to the recent embarrassment Vw have had recently regarding falsifying EMISSIONS , I wonder if its more widespread than we think. Could your nice clean ford be dirtier than one thinks. If so can we claim money back for miss selling ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONDEO TXS 2.2 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 This scandal could bankrupt VW in the US alone & if they have been conning European customers too the damage could be terminal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stef123 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I wouldn't believe they are the only ones at it. I'm just waiting to see who's next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzman600 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 That's an interesting point Colin. My thoughts on VW's mistake are firstly so what. The results done by those two independent testing companies made the cars only 10% out compared to what's expected from a diesel engine. But just how did they program the ECU to give a false reading in the 1st place and to kick in at just the right points? VW diesels are damn good on fuel anyway so why 'cheat' is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexp999 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Ford have already released a statement about it: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAZ91 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Is it just VW or does this affect the whole VAG group? Audi & Skoda? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexp999 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 All the VAG 1.6 and 2.0 diesel engines at the moment. Confirmed to be on Audis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stef123 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 That's an interesting point Colin. My thoughts on VW's !Removed! up are firstly so what. The results done by those two independent testing companies made the cars only 10% out compared to what's expected from a diesel engine. But just how did they program the ECU to give a false reading in the 1st place and to kick in at just the right points? VW diesels are damn good on fuel anyway so why 'cheat' is beyond me. It's very simple but very clever, using steering position, speed, barometric pressure and duration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dales Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 So all these buyers could also end up paying for extra road tax on their low emission cars too possibly. This is going to open one big massive can of worms. Surely though if its all down to steering position etc to make this all work through the ecu. Once these cars go for their m.o.t`s in the future some could fail drastic through the emissions if they have been botched majorly. First thing owners would think is it needs a cat etc, dosnt work, still fails, lots of owners buying expensive cats for no reason. I know I am going to the extreme here but just how bad is this all going to be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexp999 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 It will be the other way round. A recall will be put in place to take the cars back to VW to update the software and permanently enable the emission controls. The cars will then meet their approved levels, BUT the car will probably drive like... well you know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focu5 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I don't own a diesel or a VW so I'm just sitting back popcorn in hand watching it all unfold. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 New movie coming out about the Volkswagen exhaust gas scandal. Starring Tom Cruise. Emission Impassable. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzman600 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Interesting reading but according to the bbc news which I saw yesterday morning before I went to work what ever was done to the ecu only acted once and once the test was done the car ran as per 'normal '. That being the case. Why a recall when there's nothing to be done? All that stuff about steering wheel position etc seem feasible but poppycock to me because the test wasn't static but mobile. The gear they use (looks like a ghost busters back pack to me) was attached to the car and pipework to the exhaust and the car driven to perform the tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmurray01 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I couldn't give two s****. We have to pass an emissions test with every MOT so as long as it goes through that WHO CARES!! As long as a car isn't plooming black smoke I couldn't care less. And as for all the "but it is harming the environment!", well - we've survived this far... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stef123 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 But that is how they have been caught out, because someone has done a proper road test of the car - it then no longer thinks it's on a test rig so runs under normal conditions. From what I gather the cars are tested on some for of static rig for the emmisions and the car can sense this through said parameters. It knows if the steering isn't Turning etc that the car is under test conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexp999 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Interesting reading but according to the bbc news which I saw yesterday morning before I went to work what ever was done to the ecu only acted once and once the test was done the car ran as per 'normal '. That being the case. Why a recall when there's nothing to be done? All that stuff about steering wheel position etc seem feasible but poppycock to me because the test wasn't static but mobile. The gear they use (looks like a ghost busters back pack to me) was attached to the car and pipework to the exhaust and the car driven to perform the tests. Because in normal mode many of the emission systems are off or considerably reduced. A recall will be needed for the emission systems to be running all the time, not just during the test. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantt Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 It appears to be nox emmisions related issues and not soot or co2 emmisions. Vw use a version of adblue (urea) additive injected to reduce nox. Vw have been taking the !Removed! out of vw drivers for years. Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmurray01 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Well, they can do what they like - I'm a Ford guy as are the rest of us (I hope!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philf1 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Banks scandal all over again? These multi-nationals think they are above the law just look at FIFA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mills705 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 My Dad seems to think that the ECU was able to detect the test by recognise the loading on the car and then adjust the amount of capturing stuff to maximise the test. Only trouble is the capturing material is a one go and once its full then its unable to capture any more hence why it cant be used all the time! They are in trouble and I think it is more industry wide than just VAG as Diesels have been the go to for European car people for the last few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turvey Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Switzerland temporarily ban sales of VWs.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34365794 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philf1 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Got this email from Ford today Ford. Go Further Dear Mr Holroyd, If you follow any sort of media, you’re sure to have heard the stories about emissions testing for diesel engines. We wanted to take this opportunity to bring you some more positive news and deliver this message from our company Executive Vice President, Jim Farley. FORD EMISSIONS COMMITMENT Given the worldwide attention and news coverage related to diesel emissions tests, we at Ford want to make sure our position on these key issues is clear. First, our vehicles and engines – including our advanced-technology diesel engines – meet all applicable emissions requirements. Importantly, we do not have any so‑called “defeat devices” in our vehicles. We also fully support efforts to ensure that test procedures more closely match the real‑world conditions that customers experience under normal driving. That is why we have supported the development of a European Real Driving Emissions initiative that is going into law in Europe. Ford is committed to offering customers high fuel efficiency and low emissions through what we call the “power of choice.” We offer a variety of choices ranging from our EcoBoost-powered petrol vehicles and advanced technology diesels to hybrids, plug-in hybrids and full electric vehicles. Visit www.ford.co.uk or your local FordStore or Ford dealer to learn more about Ford’s newest vehicles, technology and our commitment to Go Further. Jim Farley Executive Vice President, Europe, Middle East and Africa Ford Motor Company Sent from my iPhone using Ford OC mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmurray01 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I have to say this email made me smile. I do not hate Volkswagen, but Ford is of course the superior manufacturer and if there is an opportunity to twist the knife, they have to take it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexp999 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Merged threads. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simcor Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 The biggest issue is that all cars emit more NOX in real world driving than they do on the lab test, it really is time for the lab test to be axed and do a real world test for both emissions and MPG. There was a test done on a 63 plate euro 5 VW Golf and Euro 6 Focus, both cars in real life were well over the lab test for NOX, the Golf was 4 times higher the Ford was still lower than the euro 5 but put out I think 6 times more NOX than the lab test, I think the VW was something like 4 times more bearing in mind it was an older model and euro 5, can't quite remember. Bearing in mind the amount of NOX allowed for euro 5 and 6 are significantly different, Link to the test report here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34425306 However the cars in the USA were putting out 40 times more NOX than the limit allows. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Ford UK Shop
Sponsored Ad
Name: eBay
Ford Model: FordUK Shop
Ford Year: 2024
Latest Deals
Ford UK Shop for genuine Ford parts & accessoriesDisclaimer: As the club is an eBay Partner, The club may be compensated if you make a purchase via the club
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.