17 hours ago, JPW said:

Not that I am aware of. Why not try a cheap £10 ELM to USB adapter with HS/MS-CAN, no need for a proper clone UCDS or ELS. That's what I use for Forscan/APIM programming and its fine.

The clone UCDS was included by seller with sync 3 upgrade kit. This is why I have this now and was supposed to work. They said it did not work because harness needs changes. Initially 53 and 54 were connected to BVC 53 and 54 (these are HScan only on sync 1 and this harness is for sync 1). However, even after connecting 53 and 54 to HScan (BCM 7 and 8), clone UCDS still gives diagnostic error. Found somewhere this could be due to clone UCDS cable itself but worked with BCM and IPC.

I bought genuine ELS because I want to exclude the chance of not working/incompatible cable and have 100% speed and properly working forscan. 

Someone also told me that clone cables may have issues.

Sync 3 is now working on the button panel and the steering wheel controls. The little adapter I made up just wasn't making a good connection at the FCDIM connector so I soldered directly to the wires.

I am not sure if DAB is working. We get pretty poor DAB reception round our way anyway, but on the Sync 1 unit I was getting a few stations. I am not sure if I connected the correct antenna. There are 2 black antenna connections. The first is the original that connected to my original ACM and the 2nd is the black connector that I believe was connected to the old FCDIM screen. Which one of them should I now be using. At the moment, the one connected to the old FCDIM screen is plugged in and I taped the other one up. I was under the assumption that the FCDIM one should be used.

Hi Steveo25 

Good job!

In my car, going in to the original FCDIM wiring loom, was the blue fakra is for the GPS (if you had factory sat nav), the black fakra is the DAB antenna and the pink fakra is a loop down to a black fakra which went in to the ACM radio. The yellow fakra is the reverse camera (if you have it).

In the ACM I had a white fakra for FM and the other end of that pink / black fakra (as mentioned above) which is not plugged in anywhere on SYNC3 and can just be taped up.

 

Ok, sounds like it is plugged in to correct Fakra. We do get really bad DAB reception round here so will see how it goes. Now I just need to use it and see if there are any programming gremlins. 

Did you get your park pilot on screen. Mine was missing at first and hd to change a setting in the APIM. It only works with engine running.

Also if you have gone from sync 1 to sync 2 and retained your sync 1 ACM you have to change a setting on the ACM to let it know it now has an 8" screen instead of a 4"

No, my park pilot is not showing on the screen. The camera works fine and it beeps and it even reduces the stereo volume when it beeps, but the parking sensor diagram is not showing. What are the settings to change? 

I went from a 5inch screen Sync 1 to Sync 3. The only settings I changed were the ones detailed in the first post of this thread using Focccus. I also enabled the reversing camera in Forscan. 

I was pretty lucky that the donor car that the Sync 3 came out of had an identical spec to me so did not have to upload any asbuilt. 

I replaced the APIM, Screen and ACM. It came as a complete set with all brackets and hub. 

Found the setting, for anyone that needs it, that turns on the parking sensor graphic on the screen.

If your Sync 3 unit came from a Focus MK3.5 (which it always will in the UK as Sync 3 was never fitted to a MK3) and you have fitted it to a pre-facelift. Then the PDC architecture of a MK3.5 is CGEA 1.3. But the Focus MK3 uses C1MCA architecture. So inevitably, all the AsBuilts for Sync 3 will be CGEA 1.3 and it needs to be C1MCA on a pre-facelift.

To change this, you need to change a setting in the APIM AsBuilt settings using Forscan.

7D0-02-02 xxxx *xxx xxxx

0=DS off, RSS not present, CGEA 1.3, TCU not present	8=DS on, RSS not present, CGEA 1.3, TCU not present
1=DS off, RSS not present, CGEA 1.3, TCU present	9=DS on, RSS not present, CGEA 1.3, TCU present
2=DS off, RSS not present, CIMCA, TCU not present	A=DS on, RSS not present, CIMCA, TCU not present
3=DS off, RSS not present, CIMCA, TCU present	B=DS on, RSS not present, CIMCA, TCU present
4=DS off, RSS present, CGEA 1.3, TCU not present	C=DS on, RSS present, CGEA 1.3, TCU not present
5=DS off, RSS present, CGEA 1.3, TCU present	D=DS on, RSS present, CGEA 1.3, TCU present
6=DS off, RSS present, CIMCA, TCU not present	E=DS on, RSS present, CIMCA, TCU not present
7=DS off, RSS present, CIMCA, TCU present	F=DS on, RSS present, CIMCA, TCU present

 

Mine was 0 and I had to change it to 2. Basically, whatever yours is set to take the equivalent number from the list above that is C1MCA rather than CGEA 1.3.

Good spot. All working now?

All seems to be working well. I do, however, have 3 DTCs. None of which affect the operation.

ACM U2101 - Control Module Configuration Incompatible

This is apparently there because the data in 7DO-07-01 to 7D0-07-04 are not correct for my vehicle. Obviously this came from a mk3.5 so the figures will be different. They are obviously checked against some other module. No idea where to get these from. It's things like Vehicle Weight etc.

APIM B119F - GPS Antenna - Open Circuit

This is to do with the resistance in the Sync 3 Fakra GPS antenna. I got this antenna from Amazon. It works fine but the APIM unit is seeing a resistance different to what it expects to see. Apparently, the solution is to get an antenna that has a longer cable which increases the resistance.

I also got a 3rd DTC that I cannot remember. It was basically saying I had a mirror indicator short to ground. This surprises me as I never thought I had indicators in the mirrors. I have never seen them blink at least. Whether this is something that got enabled in the config somewhere I don't know. I will have a better look in daylight.

 

2 hours ago, Steevo25 said:

All seems to be working well. I do, however, have 3 DTCs. None of which affect the operation.

ACM U2101 - Control Module Configuration Incompatible

This is apparently there because the data in 7DO-07-01 to 7D0-07-04 are not correct for my vehicle. Obviously this came from a mk3.5 so the figures will be different. They are obviously checked against some other module. No idea where to get these from. It's things like Vehicle Weight etc.

APIM B119F - GPS Antenna - Open Circuit

This is to do with the resistance in the Sync 3 Fakra GPS antenna. I got this antenna from Amazon. It works fine but the APIM unit is seeing a resistance different to what it expects to see. Apparently, the solution is to get an antenna that has a longer cable which increases the resistance.

I also got a 3rd DTC that I cannot remember. It was basically saying I had a mirror indicator short to ground. This surprises me as I never thought I had indicators in the mirrors. I have never seen them blink at least. Whether this is something that got enabled in the config somewhere I don't know. I will have a better look in daylight.

 

Good to see you got the architecture sorted. I had same issue and couldn't find my written notes as to what I changed but you have sorted it anyway. Same goes for the ACM. Most of the forums you read say you must change the ACM for sync 2 or 3. You don't have to as I found out from reading the 2GFusion site. I had my sync 1 unit working perfectly but it would be recommended to buy ACM and APIM from the same car. I had to eventually swap to a sync 3 unit as on the Kuga it has a rubber bung at the back (like the old cars) to secure it in the bracket and nobody would sell me one. When I fitted the sync 3 ACM i lost my reverse beepers but I got them back by just changing one setting.

The advice from one of our members who went from sync 1 to 2 and then from 2 to 3 is DON'T buy a cheap GPS antenna, like a £10 one. He tried two before buying a decent one and I am told the Renault Megane one is recommended.

Something else to throw in the mix. On the Kuga you connect pins 16 and 17 of the APIM to the GPSM module to provide MS-CAN for the sync 2. On the Focus you connect to the HVAC as you don't have a GPSM module. This is not needed for sync 3 as one of our members proved when installing sync 3 as he disconnected these and everything works perfectly. It would appear that MS-CAN is there to provide GPS date only on sync 2 and not needed on Sync 3. 

I would appreciate any recommendations for a quality GPS antenna that is known to work properly on Sync 3 without errors.

On 2/4/2021 at 12:15 AM, smartguy69 said:

Did you get your park pilot on screen. Mine was missing at first and hd to change a setting in the APIM. It only works with engine running.

Also if you have gone from sync 1 to sync 2 and retained your sync 1 ACM you have to change a setting on the ACM to let it know it now has an 8" screen instead of a 4"

Which setting? Is this on EU ACM sync 1 or US? As far as I know, the EU ACM does not have asbuilt.

I kept my sync 1 ACM on sync 3. Onky thing not working is station list button crashing and ACM resets (CD loading sound). Any idea what is causing this?

17 hours ago, Steevo25 said:

I would appreciate any recommendations for a quality GPS antenna that is known to work properly on Sync 3 without errors.

My GPS module works fine with sync 3 but do not know its brand or anything. Was included in my sync 3 upgrade kit

Just for info. Replacing my GPS (I got a recommended one from Amazon that a fair few people had reviewed and used with Sync 3 upgrades. Still pretty cheap but is better quality) it got rid of the DTC about a GPS short circuit. This also seems to have stopped an occasional Navigation Error that I sometimes got for a few seconds on start up. I am now just left with 1 DTC:

U2101 - Control Module Configuration Incompatible

After some experimenting, this is due to the non-OEM rear camera. Unfortunately, when you enable the rear view camera, the system expects to be able to talk to it via LIN. Only the OEM camera is capable of doing this. The aftermarket cameras just plug in via an RCA and are completely independent. Basically, if using an aftermarket camera, you just have to live with this DTC unless you want to go to the expense and hassle of fitting a fully OEM system. It does not cause any issues and doesn't turn on the engine light so can just be left.

I have now fully tested the system and absolutely everything seems to be working well. Android Auto, Phone Connection, FM, AM, DAB, USB connection, Navigation, Mobile Apps, Music Streaming via Bluetooth. So now looks like a successful upgrade and well worth it. 

If I do have any more issues with the GPS, I have decided to go for the OEM one and replace the roof antenna with a combined FM/DAB/GPS (GM5T-19G461-DB). Only available for the MK3.5 but looks as if it will fit no problem. Just means running a Fakra extension cable under the headlining.

Great stuff, sounds like you've got it all figured out. Did you stick with SYNC 3 or go for the unofficial 3.4? I upgraded to 3.4 a few weeks back and love it.

I was thinking of going to 3.4 and read a very long thread on the process. Not made up my mind yet. At the moment, the upgrade works great and didn't want to put it at risk. 

Is there a definitive step-by-step guide on the process?

Yep, dead easy with the automated installer:

https://cyanlabs.net/tutorials/update-ford-sync-3-2-2-3-0-to-version-3-4-all-years-3-4-19200-2/

 

Thank you, I might give this a go. 

Does this version fix the issue of the Climate Controls being reversed on RHD cars if you enable the onscreen menu?

 

No, that will never be fixed because it was never enabled by Ford for UK RHD cars. I still have it enabled, because I only use single mode instead of dual (even though I have dual) so the controls are absolutely fine on the screen as a result.

I am just going back to the DTC I have. Originally, I thought this was because of the camera but it seems not. Plus the DTC is coming from the ACM. There seems to be something in the configuration that the ACM doesn't like. I don't suppose there is a way of getting more information from the ACM to see exactly what it doesn't like?

At first I thought it may be because of the radio panel I have as I have the US panel so the integrated control panel option should be 08 instead of 09 but the DTC remains. I cannot remember if the DTC was there before I made the changes with Focccus. 

I've had the same DTC on the ACM since I swapped to SYNC 3 from BVC. I think there is something between the ACM config and the car which it doesn't like. I haven't spent any time on it to be honest as it all works 🙂

22 minutes ago, Steevo25 said:

I am just going back to the DTC I have. Originally, I thought this was because of the camera but it seems not. Plus the DTC is coming from the ACM. There seems to be something in the configuration that the ACM doesn't like. I don't suppose there is a way of getting more information from the ACM to see exactly what it doesn't like?

At first I thought it may be because of the radio panel I have as I have the US panel so the integrated control panel option should be 08 instead of 09 but the DTC remains. I cannot remember if the DTC was there before I made the changes with Focccus. 

Where is this integrated control panel option?

In Focccus item #214. 

For a MK3.5 audio panel it should be 09 (Unkwown). For the US Sony panel it should be 08 (Branded ICP/Mini EFP).

But it works on either.

@JPW Did you have to update the firmware on your APIM when you did the 3.4 upgrade? I am a bit nervous about doing that. 

No, I didn't have to. I just updated to SYNC 3.4 and the DAB logs etc just worked. The SYNC 3 unit I purchased was from a 2017/2018 car, so might have already had a newish APIM firmware - not sure!

It's only for DAB logos, nothing else, SYNC 3.4 still works...