30 minutes ago, weesam said:

did you hear Miliband's response to a Parliamentary question asking how much the temperature will be reduced if Britain achieved (and sustained) net zero tomorrow?

Yes. He always comes out with the same thing. My new MP's the same - write to him about energy matters and he trots out the same line. Anything else and you get the Rachel Reeves black hole schtick.

1 hour ago, weesam said:

It's insane that a labour government is bragging about redistribution from the poor to the rich. I know. I know. They've always done it. But the bragging as though this is the right thing to do....

Weird too that every Labour government has left office with unemployment higher than when they took office. Rachel from accounts has already ensured that pattern with her ludicrous increase in NI making it more expensive for employers to hire people. It's as if they don't know what they're doing 🤣

6 hours ago, StephenFord said:

In the 1970s when I was in primary school, there was much talk of a forthcoming ice age

Yes, very true. I was in junior school and we did a project on the ice age coming again. I remember been quite frightened and thinking it was going to happen in only a few years 🙁

On a MASSIVE POSITIVE, today in County Durham (that's in England for our southern readers 😉) there was a big meeting to discuss the policy of 'Net Zero' in the county. Now for those who don't know, Co. Durham was won by Reform at the last election.

The vote was 62 to scrap the Net Zero policy altogether, 17 abstained, and 2 voted against the motion. (Please forgive me if those numbers are not exact.)

So it's official County Durham is the first in the country to scrap the net zero Hocus Pocus !!! 😀🎉🎉

Just now, StephenFord said:

It's as if they don't know what they're doing 🤣

Be reasonable. They only had 14 years to come up with a few ideas.

It's sad, though, that this is a serious topic and I'm sure most of us would support sensible measures, if we saw them.

I guess we're all culpable in a way. If sensible, practical people won't enter politics, you end up with this sort (on the whole, there are exceptions). 

7 minutes ago, unofix said:

So it's official County Durham is the first in the country to scrap the net zero Hocus Pocus !!! 😀🎉🎉

What a fantastic result! You're making the rest of us extremely jealous! 👍

8 minutes ago, unofix said:

So it's official County Durham is the first in the country to scrap the net zero Hocus Pocus !!! 😀🎉🎉

Excellent. Are they going to tackle Equality, Diversity and Inclusion next?😀

Kind of ironic that some doggy Conservative MP made a sneaky trip during Covid to Barnard Castle, which just happens to be in Co. Durham, the home of Anti-Net Zero 🤣

Barnard Castle is a market town on the north bank of the River Tees, in County Durham, England. The town is named after and built around a medieval castle ruin. The town's Bowes Museum has an 18th-century Silver Swan automaton exhibit and paintings by Goya and El Greco.

1 hour ago, unofix said:

Kind of ironic that some doggy labour MP made a sneaky trip during Covid to Barnard Castle, which just happens to be in Co. Durham, the home of Anti-Net Zero 🤣

Not that I support them, but it wasn't a Labour MP, it was Dominic Cummings, who was Boris's spin doctor/enforcer!

One thing nobody seems to pick up is that these hot summers come round at fairly regular intervals (this year, then I seem to remember one near the turn of the century, 1976 no rain for about 6 weeks, and about 1963 another long period with no rain).

Also, something no one seems to take regard of is the Earth's orbit round the sun. It isn't a perfect circle, some years we get closer to the sun (hotter weather), other times further away (colder weather). I would love to know how the politicians could explain how taxing us more can affect this natural phenomenon!

8 hours ago, Alan G H said:

something no one seems to take regard of is the Earth's orbit round the sun. It isn't a perfect circle, some years we get closer to the sun (hotter weather), other times further away (colder weather).

The earth is closest to the sun in January every year and furthest from the sun in July every year. It doesn't wander closer and further from the sun in different years.

Over billions of years, the Earth's orbit is actually drifting away from the Sun, moving away from the Sun by about 15 centimetres per year. 

1 minute ago, pcaouolte said:

Over billions of years, the Earth's orbit is actually drifting away from the Sun, moving away from the Sun by about 15 centimetres per year. 

They must use one exceptionally long tape measure 🤣

2 hours ago, pcaouolte said:

Earth's orbit is actually drifting away from the Sun, moving away from the Sun by about 15 centimetres per year. 

Oh no !!

That will lead to global cooling and an Ice age. So my Junior school teacher was right all along 🤣

On 7/16/2025 at 11:07 PM, Alan G H said:

Also, something no one seems to take regard of is the Earth's orbit round the sun. It isn't a perfect circle, some years we get closer to the sun (hotter weather), other times further away (colder weather). I would love to know how the politicians could explain how taxing us more can affect this natural phenomenon!

you seriously think scientists that are studying this have taken no regard of the sun and it's distance?

You are not being serious.

On 7/14/2025 at 3:02 PM, StephenFord said:

In 2018, St Greta predicted confidentially that humanity would end in 2023. The grown ups amongst us simply wished to give the young child a lollipop and sit her at the back of the class.

However, amazingly, there was a circle of world leaders who loved the young girl and changed the course of world policy to go down the rabbit hole of, 'net zero', a direction that will bankrupt all healthy world economies.

Today, Ed Milliband (a grown up in age only) announced that, "tackling the climate and nature crisis is essential to protect the British way of life.

We’re taking bold action on climate and nature to make the British people better off today, and protect future generations to come...."

There are numerous initiatives he plans on implementing including a £770 Million spend to subsidise/promote EVs on a public that can see right through this failed technology. This includes a £25 Million grant to local councils so they can dig trenches in residential pavements to allow the 'safe' laying of charging cables form house to car. preventing a trip hazard. If you can see the many many flaws in this, feel free to list them here LOL

I despair how the UK public are being rinsed by this government (and the last one wasn't great either!). Maybe we should put that young girl back in charge again, she can hardly be any worse...

 

Of course humans and machines and facilities affect the climate and the weather, but not so much as many say.

It is propaganda for other things to bring and accomplish.

Humans mostly affect things like the beach-sea-soil. Also those who purposely burn forests.

First week of June in Greece was cold (for June standards).

 

 

5 hours ago, Bol said:

Of course humans and machines and facilities affect the climate and the weather, but not so much as many say.

It is propaganda for other things to bring and accomplish.

Humans mostly affect things like the beach-sea-soil. Also those who purposely burn forests.

First week of June in Greece was cold (for June standards).

 

 

Of course humans have affected the environment, and this includes the climate; both the global climate and micro-climates. 

What is nonsense is the UK government with its silly net zero policies that will cost working class people more money than they can afford and that will have a net zero change in the climate but an enormous hit to the economy and our standard of living.

 

1 hour ago, weesam said:

What is nonsense is the UK government with its silly net zero policies that will cost working class people more money than they can afford

Ed Milliband is working class (goes to work each day) and he says that he can afford it 🤣

Credit Guido Fawkes.

New ministerial transparency figures released overnight show that Ed Miliband and his ministers have racked up a whopping £98,297 on flights in Labour’s first nine months in office. From July 2024 to March 2025, DESNZ ministers clocked 18 return trips to India, China, Germany, Poland, Brazil, the USA, Austria, France, Norway, Azerbaijan, and Denmark. Courtesy of the taxpayer… 

Guido crunched the numbers: 155,900 km flown – enough to circle the globe four times. The carbon footprint from these climate crusaders totals 51.19 tonnes of CO₂. Eco-friendly Zoom meeting, anyone?

14 hours ago, Bol said:

First week of June in Greece was cold (for June standards).

 

 

Hardly a dent in the statistics.

9 hours ago, Ponch said:

Hardly a dent in the statistics.

Soft.

On 7/24/2025 at 8:52 AM, Bol said:

 

First week of June in Greece was cold (for June standards).

 

 

Don't be that person that confuses weather with climate.

Climate is usually a measured average of a location over a significant period: 10 to 20 years or so.

Weather is an instantaneous measure over much shorter periods (hours, days, weeks, months)

The Cairngorms have a colder climate (tundra) than London (oceanic); but sometimes, on a particular day or week, the Cairngorms are warmer than London.

So, on any particular week, you can say the Cairngorms are warmer than London, but the climate is colder.

It is not uncommon in the UK for a winter's day to have a higher maximum temperature than a summer's day. This tells you nothing about the climate and how it is changing.

It's like those Sun Headlines "what a scorcher!" when the UK happens to be hotter than the Sahara.

This is not a difficult concept.

2 hours ago, weesam said:

Don't be that person that confuses weather with climate.

Climate is usually a measured average of a location over a significant period: 10 to 20 years or so.

Weather is an instantaneous measure over much shorter periods (hours, days, weeks, months)

The Cairngorms have a colder climate (tundra) than London (oceanic); but sometimes, on a particular day or week, the Cairngorms are warmer than London.

So, on any particular week, you can say the Cairngorms are warmer than London, but the climate is colder.

It is not uncommon in the UK for a winter's day to have a higher maximum temperature than a summer's day. This tells you nothing about the climate and how it is changing.

It's like those Sun Headlines "what a scorcher!" when the UK happens to be hotter than the Sahara.

This is not a difficult concept.

Almost every May and June (first ten days) the last fifteen years it is cold (for Greece's standards).

From November to April most time is cloudy although twenty years ago it was a lot more sunny.

Also snow is less but clouds are more.

So spring is colder but winter is not so cold. 

On 7/14/2025 at 2:48 PM, TomsFocus said:

There isn't space to fit AC units in ***** little UK ..., so far no-one has come up with a proper small portable version because of the limitations within physics.  (Despite the adverts, none of the small units can actually cool a room).

Didn't the Americans solve this space issue with window mounted A/C units?

2 hours ago, StephenFord said:

Didn't the Americans solve this space issue with window mounted A/C units?

Those only work with sash windows.

18 hours ago, StephenFord said:

Didn't the Americans solve this space issue with window mounted A/C units?

There is always something like this, which heats or cools up to five rooms with one external heat pump unit. It looks relatively cheap to purchase, but I would wonder about installation and running costs.

https://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/p/iqool-5ms12k12k12k12k12k/electriq-iqool5ms12k12k12k12k12k-air-conditioner

5 minutes ago, Alan G H said:

...but I would wonder about installation and running costs.

Interesting that they don't even quote a KwH spec for this unit. Obviously, thanks to government, UK has the highest electricity cost in the whole of Europe, so it won't be cheap to run, but if you were in Spain, a different matter....

3 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

Interesting that they don't even quote a KwH spec for this unit. Obviously, thanks to government, UK has the highest electricity cost in the whole of Europe, so it won't be cheap to run, but if you were in Spain, a different matter....

The figures are there if you scroll down & read it all!

• Cooling capacity (Single unit): 3.5 kW
• Heating capacity (Single unit): 3.5 kW
• Cooling capacity (Total 5 units): 3.3 - 13.1 kW
• Heating capacity (Total 5 units): 3.3 - 13.1 kW