math85 Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Hi allI've recently had my Mondeo Mk4 facelift (mk4.5?) remapped having read good things about saving fuel and having more torque lower down. However, following the remap I couldn't really notice any difference at all. *Possibly* a small increase in power over 2,000rpm but certainly not 20% as they claim.After a week or so I decided there definitely wasn't any difference and the wife agreed (she drives it too). So I got back in touch with the guy who did it and he agreed to remap it again, this time with an 'upgraded' map, he claimed. Before he did this though he asked to drive my car so he could see if the first remap had worked (how he'd know though without having driven it before I don't know, but there we go!). He ragged the absolute nuts off of it so said 'yep, it's definitely on there, it goes like stink'. Of course it does! At 2,500rpm in 2nd and 3rd the standard car is no slouch anyway! He agreed to put the upgraded map on anyway. He did this and took it for another thrashing and claimed it definitely worked this time and the new map was much better.I drove it and there is possibly a bit more poke but only over 2,000rpm - not lower down as they claim, and I definitely don't think a 20% increase in power. Maybe 5%, if that. I told the guy this and he just basically said I'm not driving it right - he said I'm a too sensible driver, getting through the gears quickly and not revving it high enough!I don't want to only benefit from a slight power increase at 2,500+rpm. I've never had a remap on any of my previous cars before so I don't know if this is right or not, but having read about the benefits of a remap, I don't seem to be getting any of these benefits. Fuel consumption is about the same as before too.People talk about a noticeable difference, much more boost and lower down, improved fuel economy, smiling from ear to ear etc. I haven't got any of this. I've been driving it with a puzzled expression trying to work out if there's a difference!Has anyone else had their mk4 (facelift - if that makes a difference) remapped? What was the difference like? Does it sound like mine has been remapped correctly and I'm just a bit of a doughnut?Thanks in advance :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONDEO TXS 2.2 Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Bluefin remap totally transformed my already seriously quick 2.2 TXS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pragmatix Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 That doesn't sound right, I had my mk3 remapped and it was a definite improvement not done the mk4, no need to rag it through the gears to get the benifit drive ability was the main gain for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
math85 Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 Thanks. Daft question, but what was different exactly? Is your the mk4.5 too? Oh, and is a Bluefin remap any different to a 'normal' remap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
math85 Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 Thanks pragmatix, that's exactly what I was looking for - better drivability. Who did your remap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkymark75 Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I believe the diesels are electronically limited in 1st and 2nd to safeguard the clutch and the DMF. So you won't see the majority of benefits until 3rd onwards and higher up the rev range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONDEO TXS 2.2 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 What were the numbers ? My MK 4.5 TXS achieved 230 b.h.p. / 505nm & believe me that IS very noticeable ! Was your car put on a rolling road ? Do you have a output graph for before / after remap ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONDEO TXS 2.2 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Superchips suggest that your engine ( 2.0 TDCi 140 ) should provide an extra 33 b.h.p. & a huge extra 103 nm with Bluefin & I suggest that would be very noticeable :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
math85 Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 What were the numbers ? My MK 4.5 TXS achieved 230 b.h.p. / 505nm & believe me that IS very noticeable ! Was your car put on a rolling road ? Do you have a output graph for before / after remap ? Wow, that's hugely impressive! Bet that's a dream to drive! No, it was done by a guy on his driveway working for a reputable company (who will remain nameless until I've got my money back :P ) so no printout or anything. Does a bluefin remap use a rolling road? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
math85 Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 Superchips suggest that your engine ( 2.0 TDCi 140 ) should provide an extra 33 b.h.p. & a huge extra 103 nm with Bluefin & I suggest that would be very noticeable :) That's what I thought! And at the moment, I can barely notice any changes. I think I'll be asking for a refund... Thanks for your help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONDEO TXS 2.2 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Yes, when you get a Bluefin remap via a Superchips remapper, most, if not all have rolling road & their H.Q. certainly does Superchips also sell the remap via a user friendly hand held device that you install yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pragmatix Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Thanks pragmatix, that's exactly what I was looking for - better drivability. Who did your remap? It was done by superchip in Glenrothes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pragmatix Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Yes, when you get a Bluefin remap via a Superchips remapper, most, if not all have rolling road & their H.Q. certainly does Superchips also sell the remap via a user friendly hand held device that you install yourself. I thought the Bluefin was the DIY version of superchip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONDEO TXS 2.2 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Superchips are the Company, Bluefin is their product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pragmatix Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Bluefin is the DIY version http://www.mybluefin.co.uk/s/faq-s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONDEO TXS 2.2 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Yes, sold by Superchips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pragmatix Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 So you don't get a rolling road power output with a bluefin but you do if you go to a superchip dealer so TXS why did you mention bluefin and getting a rolling road readout, or have I read you wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkymark75 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 That's where I will be going if I get a remap done. What are your thoughts on them? How long did it take? Did they put your car on the rollers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONDEO TXS 2.2 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Lost in translation . . ! What I was trying to explain was that if one gets Bluefin installed at a Superchips dealer,as in my case, my Mondeo was tested on the rolling road before & after the remap was installed & an output graph produced. I was also given the handset to temporarily remove the remap prior to servicing by Fraud as my car is under warranty. ( 8 months old at time of remap ) If one purchases the Bluefin hand held device preloaded with the remap for D.I.Y. install there's obviously no rolling road involved, but a graph is available on Superchip's website for one's particular car. My car was at the dealer for about 2 hours in total. Strangely it was cheaper to visit the dealer than buy the handset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pragmatix Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Sparky, they are very helpful the job takes about an hour, they download your existing ecu settings and your remap is based on those. No rolling road, but you will feel the difference. Only need a days notice so easy to book in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkymark75 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Sparky, they are very helpful the job takes about an hour, they download your existing ecu settings and your remap is based on those. No rolling road, but you will feel the difference. Only need a days notice so easy to book in Cheers pragmatix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
math85 Posted May 13, 2015 Author Share Posted May 13, 2015 Thanks for the input all. Sounds like I've definitely had a dud remap so I'm going to be contacting the guy shortly for a full refund and I'll be going with Superchips for either a remap or a Bluefin. I see the Bluefin is slightly more expensive than a remap; is the only advantage of a Bluefin over a remap that I can remove and re-add the map if needed? Are there any cons (over than more expensive)? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_TDCI Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 I experienced something similar a few months ago when I got my Focus 1.6 TDCI remapped. What I wanted mostly was more low down torque and a bit of extra performance but after I got my remap the car seemed no different to drive. When I absolutely drove the sh*t out of it I thought it might be slightly livelier but then again I didn't know was that because I was looking for it in the first place. Thing is when a car like a Focus TDCI or especially a Mondeo is remapped you should notice it instantly when driving. Was very disappointed as it felt like a waste of €275 and my expectations. What it turned out to be however was that my Diesel Particulate filter was quite blocked and this stopped most of the extra performance I should of got from the remap. Clogged DPF and also clogged egr valves can take away much of the gains of a remap so it might be worth checking them mate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
math85 Posted May 15, 2015 Author Share Posted May 15, 2015 I experienced something similar a few months ago when I got my Focus 1.6 TDCI remapped. What I wanted mostly was more low down torque and a bit of extra performance but after I got my remap the car seemed no different to drive. When I absolutely drove the sh*t out of it I thought it might be slightly livelier but then again I didn't know was that because I was looking for it in the first place. Thing is when a car like a Focus TDCI or especially a Mondeo is remapped you should notice it instantly when driving. Was very disappointed as it felt like a waste of €275 and my expectations. What it turned out to be however was that my Diesel Particulate filter was quite blocked and this stopped most of the extra performance I should of got from the remap. Clogged DPF and also clogged egr valves can take away much of the gains of a remap so it might be worth checking them mate Thanks Dave, I hadn't thought of that. Although the egr valve was checked as I wanted it blanked and mapped out (but the remapping company couldn't map it out) and it was actually pretty clean. How easy is it to check the dpf? I've not had any warning messages/ lights. My mechanic skills are very limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
math85 Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 As I have now had a refund, I will name and shame! :P Quantum Tuning did my 'remap' which for some reason just plain did not work on my car. I can't fault their service, however, as they did re-remap it for me and did give me a full refund as I wasn't happy with it. Funnily enough, when they reinstalled my car's original map back on, there was absolutely no difference in performance! Going to go for a Bluefin now. Is it best to buy direct from Superchip or can it be bought for cheaper elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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