lolbeck Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Hello. My car failed it's MOT as a result and I am looking for some advice please. Ever the optimist I hope it is just the bulb but, having removed the instrument panel (as per the youtube video - my dash is the rev counter clock one that he removes not the one at the end) I can't see how to get at the bulbs. They sit behind the rev counter in cream plastic domes. Does the cream plastic bit come off???? And what else might it be if not the bulb??????? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ArDRu9szc Thanks in advance for any advice - especially if given in the way a six year old would understand!!!! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ArDRu9szc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerFlame Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I thought they were LED on the instrument cluster... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolbeck Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 It looks as if the dashboard illumination ones are filament and the warning lights LED - the illumination ones are easy to see and get at - it's the warning ones I can't work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_pickford94 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I'm sure these have a test/diagnostics mode that you can put them into and one of the modes would illuminate all of the dashboard lights If you can get into this then you can tell if the bulbs faulty or if something else is at fault http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1ie_OCgDOyw Sent from my iPhone using Ford OC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolbeck Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 Thanks for that. I have done the test and the light didn't light so still thinking bulb. Just need to work out how to get to it...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1g_dav3 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Honestly it might be worth ringing round scrap yards for a new instrument cluster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerFlame Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Honestly it might be worth ringing round scrap yards for a new instrument cluster.New cluster, New ecu, New locks, New key, New mileage. Yeah I don't that he'll be'lol be doing that. Get it sent to a cluster repair spot Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1g_dav3 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Not necessarily, whip out the dead parts for the good parts on it; if it's only the lighting it should just be a pull apart and swap rather than having to go find a bunch of parts bit by bit. Saves on the effort of getting parts bit by bit or paying someone else to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan62 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Thanks for that. I have done the test and the light didn't light so still thinking bulb. Just need to work out how to get to it...... The lamp test doesn't test the the following lamps on the instrument cluster; High Beam Direction Indicators Front Fog Rear Fog Looks like it doesn't check Airbag, Low oil Pressure or Door Open either. As a suggestion bearing in mind the reliability of LED's it would be worth checking that the High Beam signal to the cluster works. Green/White wire (which is pin 8) on the cluster connector should have 12v on it when High beam is on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolbeck Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 Honestly it might be worth ringing round scrap yards for a new instrument cluster. New cluster, New ecu, New locks, New key, New mileage. Yeah I don't that he'll be'lol be doing that. Get it sent to a cluster repair spot Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk So I can't just swap? That was my fallback..... :/Thanks for the advice about checking the electrics........I'll get that done. I did call in at a Ford dealership to pick brains today but was spoken to as if I was a dipstick because unfortunately I am a not so young woman......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerFlame Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 The ECU, instrument panel, Key, transponder ring all need to stay as a unit. Otherwise the immobilisor will go in a sulk As said above, the fail rate of LEDs is extremely low. I'd check other aspects before blaming the instrument panel Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolbeck Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 Thanks - biting the bullet and going to the garage today but at least I know a bit more about it all now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan62 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 This is the procedure for the instrument cluster replacement. I think a dealership would only fit a new cluster and not a 2nd hand part. Configuration of Instrument Cluster The instrument cluster is a programmable module, which must be configured by selecting the Programmable Module Installation Routine on WDS. Note: When the new instrument cluster has been configured with the odometer value, its configuration cannot be decreased or matched. A new configuration will result in an increase in the value by a minimum of two units. Note: The odometer value must be recorded from the original instrument cluster before removal. If the odometer value cannot be obtained from the instrument cluster (display failure) the customer should supply the approximate value. The following features will need to be configured when a new instrument cluster is installed: l Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) l Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) warning indicator l Anti-Lock Control - Stability Assist indicator l Odometer display l Automated Gearshift System indicator l Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS) indicator Good luck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeebowhite Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 The dash test should illuminate all lights on the dashboard, if you are getting multiples which are failing, I suggest your cluster is at fault, in which case, I would probably send it off for repair. around £99 for a fix, which is cheaper and easier than faffing around otherwise. In the meantime, I would check the wiring, ensure the voltage is there for all wires / pins, and validate no other wiring issues in the car. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolbeck Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 Sorry for the late update and thanks for your help. Turned out to be the led bulb which was part of the circuit board. Initial choices were new board or send old board away for repair (quoted £150!!!!!) Lovely mechanic fitted new light fitting to dash from headlight - having checked it was legal - and I got that and new brake pipes for £180. Still a lot but could have been worse. Thanks again - great site and forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerFlame Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Have you a picture of the new light? Did you try shopping around for instrument panel repairers? www.yorkshiredetailing.co.uk - approved resellers of the Highest quality detailing & Valeting supplies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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