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#31 Rick984

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 06:06 PM

Question, I bought some xenon lamps on ebay for my mk1, and having read some of the comments here I'm now questioning the legality of them, even though all of the sellers claimed that they are 100% legal. Can any one help?

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 06:51 PM

Post a link of what you bought they are legal to sell in most cases not to fit now up till sept 2013 ude get away with it now its included in the mot

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 08:21 PM

Aftermarket xenon are 100% legal, from a sale point of view, from an installation point of view to stay legal they must meet the same requirements as factory xenon, those requirements are projector type headlamp with clear lens unit E marked, Headlight jet power washers or wipers with spray washers and automatic self leveling.

 

Ford self leveling sensors will not work with aftermarket kits, the power jet washers will work with whatever headlamp is installed.



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 09:58 PM

Great pictures, thanks! Did you find rear sensor also? Ah yes, adaptive lighting is AFS then yes, the control module is the same. If you go to ELMConfig and Headlight Control Module and then configurration, you can see that you can configure module as HID or AFS (and yes there is HID configuration option for GEM also). But if you will retrofit HIDs to your car, won't you lose AFS? Or does AFS support both halogen and HID? I really do not know since I never took any look to AFS schematics or anything...

 

I really do not know why I have washers but not HID :-) Perhaps the car originally had HIDs or something but they broke and halogens were retrofitted b dealer instead as they are cheaper. Or something like that. I will check out the wires when I have some time, thank you for your great pictures!

 

Ps. According to schematics sensor connector should be on right hand side on both left hand drive and right hand drive cars. Yes I have left hand drive indeed.

 

 

I did not have time to check the rear unfortunately and i wont be checking it either, this wiring harness is one piece and if the front is there so will the rear.

 

Good question on on the subject of adaptive lighting. There are two xenon headlamp types, one with HID that is also adaptive and the other with only HID. The model with HID and adaptive lighting uses the projector lens for both, the projector lens moves.

 

With adaptive lighting it looks like this

 

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The other model lens does not move and cannot be moved.

 

Without adaptive lighting it looks like this

 

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Regarding elmconfig i never checked this option out in details so i'm not sure how to enable HID and adaptive lighting together i would have to take another look at elmconfig

 

Jari if you ever do get the chance to take out your headlight checking for looms under it, could you take a picture of what the washer jet looks like for me please? i would like to know how it's connected to the car so i can do mine

 

 

 

 

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Any admin help?

 

For some really annoying reason the forum is blocking my attempts of adding images

 

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:45 PM

Okie dokie, well my MOT is due this month, I'll check with them to make sure, if not, I've kept hold of the original lamps just in case ;)

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 09:00 AM

These are the ones, I did speak to an MOT tester and said they should be fine

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item4839e2cd62

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 09:06 AM

These are the ones, I did speak to an MOT tester and said they should be fine

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item4839e2cd62

 

The reason they are 100% legal is because they are not xenon bulbs, they are simply upgraded halogen bulbs with a xenon look.

 

This is an aftermarket HID xenon kit:

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item20c194de6f

 

They have ballasts and are not simply just a bulb change.



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 09:20 AM

 
The reason they are 100% legal is because they are not xenon bulbs, they are simply upgraded halogen bulbs with a xenon look.
 
This is an aftermarket HID xenon kit:
http://www.ebay.co.u...=item20c194de6f
 
They have ballasts and are not simply just a bulb change.


Yeah that'll be why, thanks for that ;)

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 09:22 AM

Yeah that'll be why, thanks for that ;)

 

No worries! At least you don't have to worry about legality!  :D



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 09:23 AM

Thought that the full conversion kit would be a lot more expensive than that, think I'll be investing in that in the very near future!

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 08:02 PM

Richard i hope you did not waste your money on buying those bulbs, as james already said they are not xenon they are ordinary halogen bulbs with a blue coated film.

 

This specific ebay ad is extremely misleading and made to fool those who don't know better.

 

First up they are NOT anymore powerful or "high powered" as the seller describe, halogen bulbs cannot  draw more than 55w of power so really they are not anymore powerful.

 

These bulbs cannot even be considered an upgrade they are infact a downgrade because they are rubbish generic bulbs, compare them to quality philip bulbs or osram bulbs and you shall sh*t bricks, they are poorly made this result in them being less brighter than standard basic bulbs made by a brand such as osram.

 

Thirdly the 501 bulbs that are included are not E marked, you can see from the picture they have a darker blue tint resulting in a colour change of the light produced that's an MOT failure.

 

Lastly they will not look anything like xenon infact they will appear yellowish like any other halogen bulbs.

 

The seller is using fancy words to fool buyers, "xenon gas" and "xenon HID" are two different types of technology here is a little extract i took from a website to explain the difference clearly

 

 

 

Xenon gas-filled bulbs and other halogen 'xenon' bulbs are simply a standard halogen bulb that is either coated with a blue film on the outside and/or filled with a gas to imitate the look of a true xenon HID bulb. These bulbs produces much less light than xenon HID bulbs and often less than that of a standard halogen bulb. Xenon gas-filled bulbs also suffer from a short 6-month life-span

 

Don't waste your money buying this stuff, if you want brighter bulbs with less yellowish tint get your self something like what ben has

 

These are high quality proven bulbs, you will find endless info on the net about how awesome they are

 
 

After much slacking and making the last payment of my Student Loan (yay paid off in 10 years), I finally got round to some more mods:

 

New Windscreen Wipers & some New Osram Dipped Bulbs. I'll post some shots of the Osrams after I get some night shots.

 

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Nightshots of the Osram Nightbreakers. So much cooler :

 

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 08:05 AM

Thanks for that ;) having looked at the options it looks like there's are a few recent kits available for not much money so think I'll be investing in one very soon!

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 08:29 AM

 

Richard i hope you did not waste your money on buying those bulbs, as james already said they are not xenon they are ordinary halogen bulbs with a blue coated film.

 

This specific ebay ad is extremely misleading and made to fool those who don't know better.

 

First up they are NOT anymore powerful or "high powered" as the seller describe, halogen bulbs cannot  draw more than 55w of power so really they are not anymore powerful.

 

These bulbs cannot even be considered an upgrade they are infact a downgrade because they are rubbish generic bulbs, compare them to quality philip bulbs or osram bulbs and you shall sh*t bricks, they are poorly made this result in them being less brighter than standard basic bulbs made by a brand such as osram.

 

Thirdly the 501 bulbs that are included are not E marked, you can see from the picture they have a darker blue tint resulting in a colour change of the light produced that's an MOT failure.

 

Lastly they will not look anything like xenon infact they will appear yellowish like any other halogen bulbs.

 

The seller is using fancy words to fool buyers, "xenon gas" and "xenon HID" are two different types of technology here is a little extract i took from a website to explain the difference clearly

 

 

 

 

Don't waste your money buying this stuff, if you want brighter bulbs with less yellowish tint get your self something like what ben has

 

These are high quality proven bulbs, you will find endless info on the net about how awesome they are

 
 

 

 

 

Ben's build thread

 

 

I can vouch for Osram night breakers being a high quality brighter bulb. Had a said in my old MK1 for a while. The only thing you do find with brighter bulbs is that sometimes they don't last as long due to burning hotter and having a slightly different filament position etc. A small trade off for having much better vision at night though in my opinion.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 06:33 AM

Jari if you ever do get the chance to take out your headlight checking for looms under it, could you take a picture of what the washer jet looks like for me please? i would like to know how it's connected to the car so i can do mine

 

Sorry it took this long, I was away for a while... I took one headlight off and took picture of washer jet. Picture is attached (click to enlarge). Its from left hand drive car, right side headlamp.

 

You can see from the picture how water hose is connected, but I do not see any electrical connections? Are these just dummy jets, one separate pump is somewhere else (too lazy to check schematics now ;)? Or then connections are hidden inside car chassis, cannot see there properly...

 

Ps. My headlamp connectors have only 7 wires so no HIDs for me - at least without adding extra wires but that would be too much...

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 05:30 PM

Hello jari mate, thank you for the pic bro this has helped me to confirm what the washers look like seems i can't find the right ones on ebay and i will have to get from at main dealer, no biggy because so far they seem to be priced reasonable.

 

Those are nop dummy jets my good man, they are real, the second pump should be connected to the water bottle, there shouldn't be any wiring going to the jets from what i know, they work purely on pressure, the water pressure pushes the jets out and allow water to spray onto the lens.

 

Where i am not clear on things though is how the jets are operated. Are they operated when washing windscreen with lights on? or do they have a separate different switch purely for headlight washers?

 

Have you not ever used yours before?

 

Jari you need to check under the wheel arches to see if you have the wiring for sensors. Headlight wiring can be done, you can get the wiring from a titanium or you can buy the wiring harness from ford, the entire lighting harness includes everything that an ST or titanium would have. It cost £400 from ford but if i am honest and you are serious about HID then £400 is not a bad price considering the headlamp them self are sold over £300 for one...

 

If you have working washers it's a good chance you have the rest of wiring, maybe it's just the headlight part that's missing and that can be wiring in manually.

 

There is another guy here called george who is also retrofitting automatic wipers and lights his loom was missing only 1 wiring to complete it maybe your car is the same. The controller for auto lights goes to the same place as HID the PJB connector. This is located on the driver side right hand side of footwell you can check here and see how many wiring is missing. His car is also left hand drive

 

Read about it here 

 

http://www.fordowner...d-wipers/page-4



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