16 hours ago, StephenFord said:

I also believe the Police are acquiring large numbers 🤣

Where do they store them and why? Some on eBay for sale. 

Have just filled up with petrol this morning and was shocked at the price, 2 weeks ago it was £1.94/liter, this morning, it was £1.72. Has the bubble finally burst on this crippling charge?

57 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

Have just filled up with petrol this morning and was shocked at the price, 2 weeks ago it was £1.94/liter, this morning, it was £1.72. Has the bubble finally burst on this crippling charge?

Around my way, it's dropped from around 196 to 187-ish. Though 2 weeks ago I filled up at 176 in the community run service station in Hawes, Wensleydale, which benefits from the Rural Fuel Duty Relief scheme. Should be even less now - I'll be up there again soon so I'll try and make sure the tank is low when I get to the filling station!😀

On 7/27/2022 at 12:00 PM, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Should be even less now - I'll be up there again soon so I'll try and make sure the tank is low when I get to the filling station!

Back in the Dales and just filled up at 158ppl.😀

2 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Back in the Dales and just filled up at 158ppl.😀

Did you hear the Heartbeat theme tune on the radio? LOL

2 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

Did you hear the Heartbeat theme tune on the radio? LOL

All Creatures Great and Small is more appropriate here as you can see from the view out of our caravan!😀

On 8/8/2022 at 6:52 PM, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Back in the Dales and just filled up at 158ppl.😀

Lets not get too carried away thinking it's cheap now.  Still 35% more expensive than 2 years ago

August 2021  £1.34
August 2020 £1.15

 

 

Yeah but pandemic in full swing and no wonder it was so cheap in 2020. What was the price before the pandemic is a measure of where we should have been about now. 

Average was £1.28 week commencing 5/8/2019  and it was exactly the same in August 2018

As a reminder, during the pandemic this was my local price - of course, you weren't really allowed to drive anywhere so a bit of a moot issue LOL (99p/liter)

The government publish a weekly fuel price spreadsheet going back to 2003 for those interested ,

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-road-fuel-prices

 

4 hours ago, Mark-UK said:

Lets not get too carried away thinking it's cheap now.  Still 35% more expensive than 2 years ago

Lol I wasn't saying it was cheap, just that it was 18p less expensive than the previous time I filled up at the same pump.😀

 

Wandering the web for anything new on the ICE car ban, I came across this article:

https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/synthetic-fuels-explained

which contained the following comment:

What do legislators say?

Both the UK and the European Union plan to outlaw the sale of new petrol and diesel cars by 2035, but a clause inserted into initial documents concerning the EU’s ban says that the European Commission will put forward a proposal about registering new vehicles after 2035 if such vehicles can run “exclusively on CO2 neutral fuels”, potentially leaving the door open for synthetic fuel.

There is still some uncertainty about the precise meaning of this phrase, as the vehicles it applies to are referred to as being “outside the scope of the fleet standards” – indicating the EU may be talking about emergency-service vehicles and the like, rather than cars.

Slight possibility of a glimmer of hope/sanity, there, perhaps?

Also spotted a further article on synthetic fuels in this week's Autocar  while browsing the supermarket mag shelf, but can't find it online yet.

41 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Slight possibility of a glimmer of hope/sanity, there, perhaps?

 

I've been advocating for over 3 years now to ban 'net zero' targets from the UK. I'm not a 'climate' denier, just vehemently believe this is not the correct way to deal with it. It's only within the last 2 weeks that I have heard increasing public support for the ban of 'net zero', and the abolishing of any 'green' tax & levies. A glimmer of hope indeed...

2 hours ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Also spotted a further article on synthetic fuels in this week's Autocar  while browsing the supermarket mag shelf, but can't find it online yet.

This article included comment on the production of fuel from algae which does not compete with food production.

Coincidentally there has been a lot of news coverage recently about the infestation of algae on Lake Windermere - suggests it might be fairly easy to grow as it seems to flourish even where you don't want it?😀

I was waiting for stories like this to appear:

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/energy-price-crisis-electric-car-owners-1818612

 

3 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

I was waiting for stories like this to appear:

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/energy-price-crisis-electric-car-owners-1818612

 

That's it, post up a link I can't read without paying a subscription. 

2 minutes ago, iantt said:

That's it, post up a link I can't read without paying a subscription. 

I can read it...  

It's just the typical scaremongering anyway.  'Prices have gone up a little....BUT WHAT IF THEY GO UP A LOT'...  

We all know public chargers are expensive.  Just as motorway services charge daft amounts for petrol and diesel.

From the first few lines I could read I take it the cost of charging electric vehicles will get expensive. That's what suddenly put the brakes on me changing to electric car. I have been looking for 18 months or more at purchasing one. 

1 minute ago, iantt said:

From the first few lines I could read I take it the cost of charging electric vehicles will get expensive. That's what suddenly put the brakes on me changing to electric car. I have been looking for 18 months or more at purchasing one. 

If you can charge at home, you already know what your electricity costs now, and what it's likely to rise to by the end of the year.  None of us can predict what will happen to energy prices after that.

The only interesting part is that currently the 'standard' rate of VAT is charged on public chargers (20%), whereas it's only 5% on home electricity.

1 minute ago, TomsFocus said:

I can read it...  

It's just the typical scaremongering anyway.  'Prices have gone up a little....BUT WHAT IF THEY GO UP A LOT'...  

We all know public chargers are expensive.  Just as motorway services charge daft amounts for petrol and diesel.

Trouble with electric cars most of the expensive rapid chargers that you need to get around the country are at motorway services. You can't exactly shop around for the cheapest like with fossil fuels. Or fill up at your local petrol station and not need to fill up for 600+ miles. Electric cars are reliant on these fast chargers where ever they happen to be if you need to do reasonable distances a day 

I worked it for a very efficient electric  car the break even point compared to an efficient  diesel car is 70p at the moment. So under that your saving . Over that and you can't justify the claim electric cars save you money on fuel. 

Rapid charging has got to 65p from some providers. 

Home charging will be at your tarrif which now will be how much from Oct?  Yes you can get the look keys of octopus go (was7.5p per kWh. Max28kwh) but you pay through the nose for the other 20hrs 

Just now, iantt said:

Trouble with electric cars most of the expensive rapid chargers that you need to get around the country are at motorway services. You can't exactly shop around for the cheapest like with fossil fuels. Or fill up at your local petrol station and not need to fill up for 600+ miles. Electric cars are reliant on these fast chargers where ever they happen to be if you need to do reasonable distances a day 

Yeah, I get that for people that need to travel long distances.  But that's a fairly small percentage of EV users. 

For the odd long trip going on holiday once or twice a year, the extra fuel cost from public chargers can just be added to holiday costs and won't make much difference to the pence per mile calculated over a year.