16 minutes ago, iantt said:

That's it, post up a link I can't read without paying a subscription. 

? Works for me - and I don't have a subscription.😀 But here you are:

Energy price crisis hits electric car owners as public charging could become more expensive than petrol pumps

The cost charging an electric vehicle is rising fast as public charging points could cost an unprecedented £1 per kWh

The cost of EV charging is rising as energy prices soar (Photo: John Walton/PA Wire)

By Madeleine Cuff

Environment Correspondent

August 26, 2022 4:57 pm(Updated 6:44 pm)

 

Electric car drivers are feeling the pinch as soaring electricity costs push up the cost of recharging.

Almost every public charge point operator has already increased prices at least once this year, some by 15 per cent or more, and there are mounting fears this winter could see further large price hikes.

Earlier this month EV charge point operator Instavolt increased its prices for the fourth time in 10 months, from 57p to 66p per kWh – an increase of 16 per cent. It blamed “record-high” energy costs and said it had no choice but to pass on some of the increases to customers.

 

Meanwhile, at the start of August, Shell increased its prices across its charging network to 65p per kWh for its ultra-rapid chargers, up from 49p per kWh this year. It amounts to a price increase of 32 per cent.

The price hikes are putting pressure on EV drivers. The average cost to recharge an average electric car such as a Volkswagen ID.3 at a public plug point is around £21, according to EV website Electrifying.com, rising to almost £30 at the most expensive public plug points.

Electrifying.com founder Ginny Buckley warned public chargers have been subject to “alarming price hikes” in recent months, with more expected over the winter, denting the savings on offer for those without driveways.

“When it comes to public charging, we’ve already seen some alarming price hikes and there will no doubt be more to come, meaning that drivers without access to home charging pay up to £1,260 more to run their electric car than those using an off-peak home tariff,” she warned.

 

i understands many charge point operators expect to have to increase prices further this winter, with fears costs could exceed an unprecedented £1 per kWh. Under a worst-case scenario, recharging an EV could become more expensive than refuelling a petrol or diesel vehicle.

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Ms Buckley called for VAT charged on electricity delivered at public chargepoints to be cut from 20 per cent to five per cent, to bring it in line with domestic energy. The call is backed by chargepoint operators including Osprey and Instavolt, which have vowed to cut its prices for customers if VAT is reduced.

Energy providers should also start introducing ‘off peak’ tariffs to help drivers access a cheaper rate at quieter times of the day, Buckley argued, for example by charging during the night.

Basically, the underlying message I'm gettjng  seems to be that the era of affordable private transport (however fuelled) is over.

Even pushbikes cost an arm and a leg these days!😀

Just trying to compare costs.

A reasonable average for an EV seems to be around 3.5 miles per Kwh, so 65p per Kwh as mentioned in the article is about 18.5p per mile.

I last filled up at 160ppl so about 727p per gallon and I average around 47mpg, so about 15.5p per mile.

 

10 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Basically, the underlying message I'm gettjng  seems to be that the era of affordable private transport (however fuelled) is over.

Even pushbikes cost an arm and a leg these days!😀

Just trying to compare costs.

A reasonable average for an EV seems to be around 3.5 miles per Kwh, so 65p per Kwh as mentioned in the article is about 18.5p per mile.

I last filled up at 160ppl so about 727p per gallon and I average around 47mpg, so about 15.5p per mile.

 

Exactly. And 65per kWh will be at home soon too. So even charging at home will become more expensive. My Mondeo works out at just under 12p a mile. 

On a related topic, I worked out the gas and electric on my consumption over the last 12 months then used the latest figures for the Oct rises, and my increase in cost is £3490 . £5300 a year. Obviously it going to increase again in Jan and April!!! 

My good fortune is I fixed last sept for 2 years. So I've got 12 months to get used to the higher bills. I don't know how alot of people will manage and guess quite a few are sleep walking into Oct. 

2 hours ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Basically, the underlying message I'm getting seems to be that the era of affordable private transport (however fuelled) is over.

Not just transport either.  People can't afford to buy food, cook it or heat their homes...  The era of affordable survival seems to be coming to an end...  

1 hour ago, TomsFocus said:

Not just transport either.  People can't afford to buy food, cook it or heat their homes...  The era of affordable survival seems to be coming to an end...  

I already no longer use my oven (3Kw), or my electric shower (9Kw), I only turn the TV on a couple of hours in the evening, and every bulb in my house is LED. Tumble dryer hasn't been used in a year, and washing machine down to an hour/month. It's hard to save on consumption when you're already at the minimum. 😒

36 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

I already no longer use my oven (3Kw), or my electric shower (9Kw), I only turn the TV on a couple of hours in the evening, and every bulb in my house is LED. Tumble dryer hasn't been used in a year, and washing machine down to an hour/month. It's hard to save on consumption when you're already at the minimum. 😒

Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm even resorting to sitting in the hot tub with 35c water instead of 37c. 😭😭

48 minutes ago, iantt said:

Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm even resorting to sitting in the hot tub with 35c water instead of 37c. 😭😭

We’re slowly adjusting to the new normal-cold rice pudding last night.“Any chance of a dollop of strawberry jam with this”.The response back was adapt or die😮

1 hour ago, iantt said:

Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm even resorting to sitting in the hot tub with 35c water instead of 37c. 😭😭

Odd, in all the years I've been on internet forums, I've never belittled someones income. Still, if it gives you pleasure... 😧

...and so the world madness continues with imaginary electricity powering cheap and cost effective EV's 🤣

 

1 hour ago, unofix said:

imaginary electricity

Let's try paying for it with imaginary money!😀

I found this site interesting in showing where the real electricity comes from at any given time:

https://www.energydashboard.co.uk/live

 

3 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

I found this site interesting in showing where the real electricity comes from at any given time:

I bet they had to wait all year before they had a 'Very Sunny' and 'Very Windy' day otherwise it wouldn't have been worth putting the renewables on the table 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

6 minutes ago, unofix said:

I bet they had to wait all year before they had a 'Very Sunny' and 'Very Windy' day otherwise it wouldn't have been worth putting the renewables on the table 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The thing is, a few weeks ago when the south had 40c, it was too hot for solar, and we only got 8% generation from it those couple of days - yep, renewables are just hilarious...

The thing that has bugged me for years about energy prices is the fact that electricity charges are pegged to the wholesale price of gas. When I checked the "dashboard" just now, only 57% was being generated that way.

Most of the economic journalists have  repeatedly mentioned the need to address this anomaly but I have yet to hear a mention of it in the various "solutions" being put forward by politicians of any stripe.

3 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

The thing that has bugged me for years about energy prices is the fact that electricity charges are pegged to the wholesale price of gas.

The other oddity is that if your electricity supplier states that you have been supplied via renewables, (wind, solar, wave etc) they too have skyrocketed in price. When did the price of 'wind' go up? LOL

11 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

The thing that has bugged me for years about energy prices is the fact that electricity charges are pegged to the wholesale price of gas. When I checked the "dashboard" just now, only 57% was being generated that way.

Still more than voted for Brexit...  

 

7 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

The other oddity is that if your electricity supplier states that you have been supplied via renewables, (wind, solar, wave etc) they too have skyrocketed in price. When did the price of 'wind' go up? LOL

As Roger said, the price is dictated by gas, regardless of where your specific electricity comes from.  No company can specify renewable only anyway.  All electricity goes into the grid, they have no idea what's coming into your house, they just pay for a 'chunk' of electricity that's small enough to have come from renewables.   

6 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

... No company can specify renewable only anyway.  

I can confirm, my supplier did state that they were 'heavily' into renewables. I wrote to them saying I could care less, and if it was cheaper, please could I have the nice cheaper dirty fuels. They wrote back explaining what you said, it's all in the mix LOL

9 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

I can confirm, my supplier did state that they were 'heavily' into renewables. 

The one I am with at the mo states theirs is "100%" renewable. In the small print you find that they achieve this (in part at least) by purchase of REGOs (Renewable Energy Guarantees of Origin) in a similar way manufacturers of ICE cars can offset their emissions by buying carbon credits from the likes of Tesla.

Still get charged the same of course.

 

Just found the response on my request to be charged for cheaper 'dirty' electricity rather than 'green'...

Hi Stephen,

Many thank's for your email regarding your SSE Airtricity.

Unfortunately there is not different type's of electricity. We offer the same green electricity for all of our customer's. 

I have taken a look and you can opt in to a contract for a discounted rate. This will help reduce your bills. If you wish to discuss rates please let us know and we will get this call back requested for you.

If there is anything else I can help you with please let me know I would be happy to help you.

Kind Regards
Home Energy E-service Team

 SSE Airtricity  

On 8/26/2022 at 2:35 PM, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Also spotted a further article on synthetic fuels in this week's Autocar  while browsing the supermarket mag shelf, but can't find it online yet.

Now have - link here:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/technology/can-synthetic-fuel-replace-fossil-fuel-global-scale

On 8/28/2022 at 8:59 AM, Eric Bloodaxe said:

The thing that has bugged me for years about energy prices is the fact that electricity charges are pegged to the wholesale price of gas.

I see that our friends in the EU seem to have woken up to this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62710522

Come on Rishi and Liz, do catch up!

2 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

I see that our friends in the EU seem to have woken up to this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62710522

Come on Rishi and Liz, do catch up!

I saw that too this morning. I have also noticed that even though I have always been against, 'net zero' as those on here may know, in the last few weeks there has been a ground swell of public opinion finally agreeing & realising what it actually means.

Any politician still supporting it at the next election will fail.  I have every confidence when the public get to realise what the abolition of petrol/diesel cars will mean to their daily lives (probably the night before it happens!), there'll be an uprising, and not in a good way!

Lots to look forward to...

I was reading France have 56 nuclear plants. We (uk) have 8

Serious lack of planning. considering the time involved in building them. At least we’re not 40% relying on Putin’s gas like eu. But someone else’s hardship doesn’t make ours any better. 
 

Watching Scottish news council workers refused 5%, flat rate is what they should get. Facing NO bin pick ups for 4 weeks 😟

Sorry nothing to do with energy …

decided against ordering an EV …back on op 😀

1 minute ago, Alex.S said:

Serious lack of planning...

Government is famed for it. Theresa May disposed of all our gas reserve storage plants because she thought they were too expensive to maintain. That's like going into your kitchen and throwing out all your cupboards because you can go to the shops every day so no need for storage.

Until of course, there is a lockdown with the government preventing you leaving your own house, then you starve. You genuinely couldn't make it up...

8 minutes ago, Alex.S said:

Serious lack of planning. considering the time involved in building them

Doesn't IKEA keep flat pack nuclear power stations on the shelf ??? 🤣