Yet another mk3 timing belt thread

[Eric Bloodaxe]

1 hour ago, TomsFocus said:

Yes, there's got to be some economies of scale to get that figure!

It looks like there are, from their page on Faceache. Certainly seem to know their stuff. Sorry to see on there, though, that the owners have fairly recently suffered a tragic bereavement.

[alanfp]

On 11/16/2022 at 3:30 PM, RodneyUK said:

Please can you let me know which dealer?

I've sent you a private message.

[mburdett555]

With a bit of persistence, I have found a ford specialist (not a dealer) not too far away, quoting £1700 inc VAT for the cambelt, oil belt, water pump etc. 

So far this is the cheapest I have found. This quote includes:

• Timing Belt, Tensioners and Water Pump
• oil Pump Drive Belt

They've also included in the quote:

• Sump sealant
• Pulley bolt
• Injector seal kit
• Crank pulley washer
• Camshaft cover gasket
• Water pump to engine timing cover seal
• Then the rest of the stuff eg oil filter, oil, antifreeze etc.

[unofix]

2 hours ago, mburdett555 said:

quoting £1700 inc VAT for the cambelt, oil belt, water pump etc. 

No new oil pump, or the oil strainer checked and cleaned ???

[mburdett555]

20 hours ago, unofix said:

No new oil pump, or the oil strainer checked and cleaned ???

No new oil pump but the strainer will be checked , do oil pumps fail frequently as to get them replaced in this case then? 

[unofix]

The oil pump can be come clogged up with bits of the belt. If the oil strainer is checked and is nice and clean then the pump should be fine.

The checking of the oil strainer and/or replacement, adds quite a bit of time to the job. Part of the exhaust  (rusty - seized up - old bolts) has to be removed to allow the sump to be dropped.

[RayC333]

5 hours ago, mburdett555 said:

No new oil pump but the strainer will be checked , do oil pumps fail frequently as to get them replaced in this case then? 

As far as I'm aware pumps don't regularly fail but there are many reports of the oil pick-up strainer (which is integral with pump) becoming blocked to varying degree.

If you go ahead with the £1700 quote the strainer in question will be clearly visible to the mechanic (when the sump is off) and can be assessed for any debris. Hopefully there will be none.

If there is debris it's essential to remove it or replace the pump. Removal of the sump baffle and oil pump can be accomplished in just a minute or two (a few accessible bolts). A new pump would add significant £s to the bill, but in my experience the metal gauze filter can be cleaned out successfully (but is time consuming).

[PavN93]

I thought it's worth telling my own story as I recently done the timing belt in 1.0 ecoboost in the Ford dealership. 

They quoted me for £700 but after they started working they "realized" that it's an ecoboost engine even though I clearly stated it in the enquiry which resulted with twice as high (literally twice - £1360) price as the initial quote. Be sure you're not being lured by cheap price in the quote to then bump the price because of the incompetence or greediness of the dealerships.

Also, as some people previously stated, make sure to get the pump belt replaced too - at the Ford dealership (and I asked a couple) no one ever recommended the pump belt at the same time since "it doesn't have the recommended service time and suppose to last for the life of the car". I didn't know that and now in order to replace it I'd have to pay this £1000 base price again just for the labor plus parts. 

Edited November 24, 2022 by PavN93
Wording tweak

[richbream]

On 11/17/2022 at 2:48 PM, morton61 said:

they also do 2nd hand engines and refurbed engines as well seem to have a great rep !! I have no association with them just looking for an alternative to Ford dealers as mine is due a change now

 

I have a friend with a 64 reg Fiesta, what is mileage/time that these parts need replacing?

[TomsFocus]

13 hours ago, richbream said:

I have a friend with a 64 reg Fiesta, what is mileage/time that these parts need replacing?

If it's a 1.0 EcoBoost, 10 years or 100,000 miles.

[morton61]

So genuine Ford parts are:-

Cambelt/tensioner and waterpump(inc gasket) kit is £160

oil pump and belt kit is £150

Crankshaft pully bolt is £7

Non Ford sump and camcover sealants (RTV High temp) £7/tube so say 4 tubes?

Parts total approx £345

 

[mburdett555]

Makes me wonder why, despite loads of people saying that the water pump is separate and doesn't need doing with the cambelt, why they bundle in the water pump anyway? 

As expected the rest of the costs are associated with labour and recouping the tools 

[tomo2001]

1 hour ago, mburdett555 said:

Makes me wonder why, despite loads of people saying that the water pump is separate and doesn't need doing with the cambelt, why they bundle in the water pump anyway? 

As expected the rest of the costs are associated with labour and recouping the tools 

False economy not doing water pump when engine already in bits, especially on Ecoboost engines

[unofix]

4 hours ago, tomo2001 said:

False economy not doing water pump when engine already in bits, especially on Ecoboost engines

The wet belts getting changed has no connection to the work needed to replace the water pump on a 1.0 Ecoboost.

[RayC333]

On 12/1/2022 at 8:10 AM, morton61 said:

Non Ford sump and camcover sealants (RTV High temp) £7/tube so say 4 tubes?

For info, one 85g tube was enough for me to do the sump (3 times - don't ask), cambelt cover and the camshaft cover (and still have a bit left). 

I used this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320775948803

[morton61]

On 12/1/2022 at 4:30 PM, mburdett555 said:

Makes me wonder why, despite loads of people saying that the water pump is separate and doesn't need doing with the cambelt, why they bundle in the water pump anyway? 

As expected the rest of the costs are associated with labour and recouping the tools 

The water pump seal is also a common issue on these engines so worth replacing that as a minimum on the water pump.

[morton61]

just for info there's also EcoPro in Lincoln who do the ecoboost belt change for £625 !! Just a longer slog than North West Engines in Rochdale for me as I live in South Cumbria 

[unofix]

1 hour ago, morton61 said:

EcoPro in Lincoln who do the ecoboost belt change for £625 !!

An unbelievable good price. I imagine that they don't use Ford parts and can somehow complete the work in under 6 hours. That's working on a hourly rate of £80 and parts at around £145

[FastandBulbous]

On 11/17/2022 at 2:22 PM, morton61 said:

Northwest Engines in Rochdale are an ecoboost specialist and charge £750 all in for cambelt/tensioner, oil pump belt, new oil pump, new water pump new oil and filter

 

Anyone have any experience with these guys?  Ford are quoting me 1500 just for the cam belt.  I also had the same quote as above from Northwest Engines.

[unofix]

Ecoboost wet belt replacement by a Ford dealer is currently between £1450 and £1700.

Some independents are allegedly quoting as little as £650 but commonly around £750 to £800. Personally I doubt they actually are able to fully do the job at them prices.

It takes between 8 to 12 hours to complete the work depending on whether the oil pump and oil strainer is checked/replaced.

Even an independent garage must be charging around £80 per hour and a minimum of £150 for parts, which is £790 for the basic wet belt change

[FastandBulbous]

1 minute ago, unofix said:

Ecoboost wet belt replacement by a Ford dealer is currently between £1450 and £1700.

Some independents are allegedly quoting as little as £650 but commonly around £750 to £800. Personally I doubt they actually are able to fully do the job at them prices.

It takes between 8 to 12 hours to complete the work depending on whether the oil pump and oil strainer is checked/replaced.

Even an independent garage must be charging around £80 per hour and a minimum of £150 for parts, which is £790 for the basic wet belt change

I know, somethings sound a bit _too_ cheap.  They do appear to check out tho.  

[TomsFocus]

The thing with a timing belt change is that you're only doing it for the peace of mind that it won't (or shouldn't!) fail within the next few years.

If you go for a super cheap price and are then constantly worried about the job not having been done to the best standard, there was really no point having it done at all.

Not suggesting they don't do the best job for a third of the price, but drivers leaving reviews on belt changes don't really know how much has been done or how well...they left the car working, and it still works after, that's all their review is based on.

[mjt]

Surely it depends on what kind of warranty the various workshops offer. If that company is doing the job for half the price of a Ford dealership but offers the same - or better - terms what have you got to lose?

[TomsFocus]

If your only concern is cost then I guess that's true.  For me the issue is engine failure at the worst possible moment leaving you stranded in a vulnerable position.  

[unofix]

1 hour ago, mjt said:

Surely it depends on what kind of warranty the various workshops offer.

That is quite true. Unfortunately most guarantees will not cover "consequential losses" and so at best will refund the cost of the work carried out. They will not cover the cost of a replacement engine, all the work involved and provide a hire car while they sort everything out.

If you post something 'guaranteed nest day' and it then takes a week to get there the post office will refund the postage. They will not pay for the cost of the two airline tickets that took off 3 days ago !!

Nearly all guarantees come with a 'Get out of Jail' Free card, otherwise many companies (like the post office) would very quickly be bankrupt.