Stephen Henderson Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Hi first time on this forum with my wife's car. any help greatly apricated. I will try to keep it short and to the point. Unable to select reverse gear, just revs like its in neutral ( screen says R ) , driving forward very jerky/riding the clutch turn the car of and wait 10 mins and retry same problem. also noticed sometimes while turn off / back on car would not start, could hear a click from what sounded like the gearbox but then nothing. battery was replaced <100mi ago, earthing points also improved at the same time by sanding paint off. Can change thought the forward gear while driving, however feels very jerky / riding clutch. unable to use sports mode 2014 Ford Focus, 1.6 petrol. Automatic, approx. 70k on clock Error codes P287A - Clutch B Stuck Engaged P087A - Clutch Position Sensor B Circuit Have tried swapping the x2 Clutch actuator motors, reset gearbox ( Credit: Ford Focus Auto Transmission reset(see description)/Ford Tcm Reset - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCVWYIPIPK4&t=12s&ab_channel=JosephSaj ) left the car overnight, next day started fine drove fine, reverse, fine no problems at all. then.... approx. 30mi later after multiple starts/stops same problem and same error code re-appeared. Thanks ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botus Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 the warranty was increased to 5 years on these due to known faults in the box, the control module, the clutch and the software.... USA and Australia got a recall and all replaced for free. In the UK the dealers were all told to pretend they know nothing about it.... hence few knew of the extension 2017 model year, post July 2016 build, were the first ones that had all bugs and faults removed from memory 2012 or earlier had a faulty gearbox case that gave an oil leak exacerbating the nasty friction material faults early ones got by 2014 the control module, software and clutch material was still suspect... if you don't damage it by using, then the gearbox should have been ok. 2015 they tried the 3rd revision of clutch material and some software updates late 2016 they finally managed to get all right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Henderson Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 thanks you for you reply, sounds like this is going to be a bit of a mine field and quite £££ Ford wants £125 for diagnostics 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevorB Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Hi Stephen, yes your veh has the transmission manufactured by Getrag called the Getrag Powershift 6DCT250, this is the one with DRY clutches that cost Ford millions of pounds in court cases and repair costs in the USA. Loads of americans purchased automatics, whereas much less so in uk and europe Do some search on Google, loads of info on there about your trans - there may be a remote chance of assistance from Ford dealer or Ford Motor Company Send an e mail to Andy Barrat CEO of Ford Motor Co, he handles complaints abarratt@ford.com Other than that you need a specialist repairer http://www.theautomaticgearboxcompany.co.uk/contact.html I am not recommending them, just an example Note: do not compare your transmission with the Wet Clutch Transmission 6DCT450 which is fitted to higher powered Fords like FocusST and Mondeo and Volvo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botus Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a27438193/ford-powershift-transmission-problems/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Henderson Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 Hi, thought I would post an update. thanks all of have helped my out so far, much apricated 28/10/20 Took the car to ford for them to investigate £120 ad this was the outcome of their investigation : "Carried out calibration on the auto transmission system, reset all gear adaptions and lean values, if the problem persists may need a new gearbox" xx/10/20 A few days later issue happens again 10/11/20 car dropped off at ford garage 12/11/20 So today the ford garage has advised that the Transmission control module gets replaced at the lovely cost of £613.95 my job tonight email Andy Barrat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeze Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Not necessarily, he's leaving the company: Ford of Britain managing director Andy Barratt takes ‘leave of absence’ | People News (am-online.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botus Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 23 hours ago, Stephen Henderson said: Hi, thought I would post an update. thanks all of have helped my out so far, much apricated 28/10/20 Took the car to ford for them to investigate £120 ad this was the outcome of their investigation : "Carried out calibration on the auto transmission system, reset all gear adaptions and lean values, if the problem persists may need a new gearbox" xx/10/20 A few days later issue happens again 10/11/20 car dropped off at ford garage 12/11/20 So today the ford garage has advised that the Transmission control module gets replaced at the lovely cost of £613.95 my job tonight email Andy Barrat that is not good news.... fight with ford for help - dig up the evidence they sorted other countries out at their expense !!!! prove its a known manufacturing fault you should JUST be inside UK consumer law of its THIER problem for 6 years they pay EVERYTHING including all the time off work going to the garage... line up the receipts and go to court !!! https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/regulation/consumer-rights-act https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/how-to-complain/#check 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 I can totally relate i do alot of these as i am a small dealer my focus market for used ones is quite good i am dealing with the same issues EXACTLY as you are i have not got to the bottom of it yet will keep you advised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George doan Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 so did you come to a resolution....did changing the tcm fixed the problem ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedFord2015 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 I live in the USA. I have a 2015 Ford Focus. I had my TCM replaced in June of 2020 and now the same issue is happening again. I have been unable to get my car back into ford due to covid and the back up of cars in their transmission department. My car has bounced around from shop to shop. The shop its currently at told me something about my clutch B is moving too fast to catch the gears or something. ( I am not sure, I don't know much about cars. ) and it would be $4500 to replace the whole transmission. I will be towing my car to ford dealer I found that only has a week wait. I am scared to drive my car because I lost all power driving on the freeway ( Guessing it wouldn't catch a gear) I can only drive about 40 mph but very rough. I will update on the progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT70 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 hours ago, RedFord2015 said: I live in the USA. I have a 2015 Ford Focus. I had my TCM replaced in June of 2020 and now the same issue is happening again. I have been unable to get my car back into ford due to covid and the back up of cars in their transmission department. My car has bounced around from shop to shop. The shop its currently at told me something about my clutch B is moving too fast to catch the gears or something. ( I am not sure, I don't know much about cars. ) and it would be $4500 to replace the whole transmission. I will be towing my car to ford dealer I found that only has a week wait. I am scared to drive my car because I lost all power driving on the freeway ( Guessing it wouldn't catch a gear) I can only drive about 40 mph but very rough. I will update on the progress. A new post would've been better, this post relates to a conventional auto, yours is a powershift. But, If you are still under warranty, just get the dealer to tow it in. If you are out of warranty: Check battery condition and charge level is good, dodgy batteries cause havoc on autos Remove battery earth from body, clean paint from body to bare metal (where eyelet sits), grease and refit. There are two further earth points under the airbox, do the same for these also - See youtube for instructions Get a decent quality OBD lead (I strongly recommend OBDLink EX for this) Get Forscan software PAY for a license Update the firmware in the PCM and TCM Perform a clutch re-learn cycle (TCM) Reset the adaptive learning strategy (TCM) BEFORE YOU SPEND ANY MONEY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benbasil Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Hey, this is probably three years too late, but for anyone else that is experiencing the same thing, here’s what’s going on. When the actuators spin, they tension a spring in clutch fork lever, which sort of “butterfly’s” the fork, engaging gears. The main issue with these for transmissions is precisely the clutch fork levers. Most times they are dirty and the tension/release is slow, so the actuator is unable to spin it fast enough, or the spring won’t reset fast enough. They are often seized so badly that the actuator can’t spin it at all, which is the clicking noise you’re hearing. It’s honestly such a stupid and simple problem, when I heard “the transmissions are bad” I always assumed it meant something much worse. The only reason Ford wouldn’t replace them (jokes on them, they have to now lmao) is because you have to drop the trans. That’s it. It takes a matter of 10 minutes to replace the clutch forks and problem solved. so, if you have the time and capability, just buy new clutch forks, take out the clutch, and replace both for good measure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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