I also don't like that we're apparently to feel sorry and pity for those two complete !REMOVED! who drove at 90 in a 30 zone while high on drugs (allegedly). Sheer LUCK the !REMOVED! never took out an innocent party! Driving like that is only going to end one way - sooner or later

I've just looked up that story you are talking about and it was not something I should have read after a hard day at work. There is a certain "R word" coming to mind which I very seldom use but think it would be very apt in this case.

One of them had a five year old daughter as well, I can't even think why you would touch drugs with a child that age let alone think "hey, lets get in a car and do 90MPH!!". And to think she will probably cry over his death thinking he was a great person. Poor girl. As for the "girlfriend", well, I have no sympathy for her.

This sounds terrible, but I'm glad they are dead. Two less brainless idiots in today's society. Shame we can't get rid of them all. Give me a gun and a licence to kill and I'd happily "cleanse" the UK from these morons.

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Dead criminals are no loss to the human race

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Dead criminals are no loss to the human race

Hear hear. But, because of the lovely (sarcasm) world we live in they were just "troubled boys, who didn't really mean to take the drugs, or drive a car without licence and insurance, or go 90MPH down a PUBLIC ROAD, it was all just a little mistake that they would have felt really really bad for!".

This was no '' mistake '' - this was wanton stupidity of the highest order carried out by brain dead amoebas.

The sound of people eating

The high number of people here in Norfolk that say Pacific or Pacifically instead of specific. Morons

General grammar issues

Peopke who walk slowly

Double negatives. 'I didn't do nothing'

Hear hear. But, because of the lovely (sarcasm) world we live in they were just "troubled boys, who didn't really mean to take the drugs, or drive a car without licence and insurance, or go 90MPH down a PUBLIC ROAD, it was all just a little mistake that they would have felt really really bad for!".

More or less just described corsa drivers there... "they didn't mean to be complete ****heads, it just comes naturally to anyone that thinks their corsa is more than just a budget car"

Double negatives. 'I didn't do nothing'

I feel sorry for Clive, I bet he has to hear that one more than any of us!

I've just looked up that story you are talking about and it was not something I should have read after a hard day at work. There is a certain "R word" coming to mind which I very seldom use but think it would be very apt in this case.

One of them had a five year old daughter as well, I can't even think why you would touch drugs with a child that age let alone think "hey, lets get in a car and do 90MPH!!". And to think she will probably cry over his death thinking he was a great person. Poor girl. As for the "girlfriend", well, I have no sympathy for her.

This sounds terrible, but I'm glad they are dead. Two less brainless idiots in today's society. Shame we can't get rid of them all. Give me a gun and a licence to kill and I'd happily "cleanse" the UK from these morons.

Tbh it's exactly what I thought, just wasn't sure if I should say it or not.

This was no '' mistake '' - this was wanton stupidity of the highest order carried out by brain dead amoebas.

Oh I know, but that's what people would want us to think.

I said it before about those two people that crashed off the motorway up in Scotland... It's sad, and yes it's not right that it was called in but pushed aside... But if you want someone to blame, then look no further than the driver.. He was in charge of the vehicle and by all accounts there was nothing else involved... So as sad as it is, don't blame the police or drivers for events that happened AFTER the fact!

I hate the M20!

Its a boring and tedious road when you actually get to drive on it! if it doesnt have operation stack, it has a fatality. Its becoming extremely dangerous, there was a lorry driver died a couple of days ago, and now a fatality this morning. Got down there, stuck in traffic, just took 3 hours to do a 45 minute journey! whats more annoying is that I had completed about 3/4 of my journey (around 25 out of 30 miles!) then I had to loop back and do another 30 miles just to get to the office!

that road is awful, and if it wasnt for the fact I cannot trust country roads in the colder temperatures (and dont want to tempt fate by my car making out with a tree) I wouldnt bother with the m20, but its the only other major road.

Not that speculating so early on is a good thing, whilst the police havent finished their investigations, but from what I saw, I suspect the driver was going too fast, collided with something, left a body panel on the road, and his car is nowhere to be seen, I am wondering if he flipped it into the ditch...

Drills andl exercises.

I appreciate the need for them - and wouldn't mind so much if the sodding kit fit.

I was dressed in a fire suit with BA. The mask is a bit small (it's slightly different to the ones I've used previously onboard ships). And the helmet doesn't fit when you're wearing a mask. I spent the entire time on air feeling as though my jaw had been wired shut.

I now have a stinking headache that painkillers won't touch :-(

I have painkillers that will definitely kill that pain...

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Drills andl exercises.

I appreciate the need for them - and wouldn't mind so much if the sodding kit fit.

I was dressed in a fire suit with BA. The mask is a bit small (it's slightly different to the ones I've used previously onboard ships). And the helmet doesn't fit when you're wearing a mask. I spent the entire time on air feeling as though my jaw had been wired shut.

I now have a stinking headache that painkillers won't touch :-(

Haha, I remember lifeboat training when we did a capsize drill (wearing dry suits, rolled the boat over and as I went under I thought "ooh, that felt a little cooler than I expected"... Move around under the boat and then got another cool shock, I looked at my shoulder and realised the zip on the suit had split at the top, had to go through the entire exercise getting wetter and wetter. I resembled the Michelin man by the time I got out the water as the suit was full!

Ahh good times!

The first numpty that I was stuck behind tonight for almost 2 miles who kept breaking every time a vehicle came the other way or they went round a bend.

The second numpty that was behind me with there lights off (I blocked her at the roundabout and shouted out the door which worked!).

Another thing I could add but in relation to these 2 lads on drugs that's trolling Facebook at the moment. Car insurance/taring with the same brush + speeding tickets. I got £305 fine for doing 70 when the cut off was 68. Had these 2 kids survived what would of been their punishment??? Also now all us other sensible kids(if there is any) are going to be tarred with the same brush, especially as my car has the word TURBO in it. DUN DUN DUNNNNNN, totally irrelevant that it couldn't pull you out of bed

I finally got around to watching that video. The crunch said it all. There actions where foolish to say the least and at least they didn't kill anyone else. I sympathise with the poor woman who found them,and I sympathise with the parents. Must admit, it was an awful feeling watching that video feeling like I was in the passenger seat. Imagine that video in a 4d environment and experience... If that wouldn't teach young people to drive safely I don't know what would!

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More harrowing than the videos shown to people on road safety awareness courses.

Couldn't agree more Clive. Something needs to be hard hitting, watching a video on TV is one thing, but personally for me that video felt more, and if you turn it into a living experience... Who am I kidding, something like that would cost too much!

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Trouble is with my generation is we're all to cocky, I'll admit I am, Think I'm Lewis Hamilton sometimes, however I think it's the car that contributes to this, as I had a Fix It Again Tomorrow for a week on hire and I had no confidence in that at all, yet with my disastra and even the Focus they instilled so much more confidence in me as a driver. At the end of the day though, I think it's just our age we're to cocky and think we're indestructible. ' To be old & wise, first you must be young and stupid'. However I will say having kids has matured me a hell of a lot, 23 coming on 40 :-O

The worst thing about fatal RTC's is the aftermath.

Dealing with the deceased, dealing with the witnesses and having to deliver the news to the family (done far too many myself).

Stupid waste of life.

Best advert I ever saw was a drink driving one. Started with a bloke throwing up with lights shining, barfing, sniffing as his nose was running, just looked like a disgusting sort of moment, you then started to notice as the camera moved out a bit there was a blue flashing going on, "what's this?" you think, than another bloke comes up, pats him on the back and goes "come on mate, you're OK" then they both walk back towards the blue flashing lights, as the barfing guy sticks his fire helmet back on and goes back to the scene of a drink driving accident. Was very hard hitting and brilliant!

Dude I'm only 26 and sound like I'm 80,but generations these days are so much (for the worse in most cases) different and attitudes are evolving much quicker than I even thought would be possible.

Clive, I understand where your coming from. Not that long ago we had that phone call from the police about a family incident... Getting that phone call at early hours, being told your loved one is hanging on the brink of life and death... Its much worse I am sure when you are told there is no brink, and I hope I never have to learn if l it's worse being told over the phone or in person, but I don't envy you guys having to do it.

In the end, this had to be an educational experience, but it won't hit home hard enough because it won't be used in the right way. Cars are too safe and clever these days and lend weight to the argument cw makes, that young people get cocky.i personally believe the method of driving test should be changed and put in line with how we in the UK do bike tests, and we also learn from Sweden.

If your young enough, then you do a test, pass that test and congratulations, you can have a restricted car, up to a certain size, and with gearbox restrictions. You have reached a new age, you can have an additional unlock on the car if you prove your capable and sensible, and for that I think black box insurance is necessary for younger people.

It may seem (and even I don't disagree) As if I am promoting a dictatorship or censorship of rights, but I bet if you asked these kids the question 'drive how you will and die, or drive this restricted motor and wake up tomorrow.... I think they would choose the latter. It's a shame that kids and new drivers do get tarred with the same brush, penalised with expenses etc, the kids over in Sweden are all thrilled and have no complaints about the restrictions, so why can't we do the same here. After all, imposing such sanctions might cost a few quid per car, hell it will no doubt open the car market to new entry model ideas for the driving world. Most of all though, it's likely to stop kids getting themselves killed, police having to tell their parents, ambulance having to try and save them, fire having to rip what shreds of the car are left, families grieving, inquests being carried out... I bet I haven't even got a fraction of the number of parties in this list and if I sat and thought about it, I'm sure a more conclusive list could be drawn, but since I'm heading to bed, I don't want to be thinking too much about people picking up and managing dead bodies etc...

Anyway, take all of it. Add that up and which is cheaper and the lesser waste of time and life. The government sings so loud and proud about investing in our future,they should invest in keeping the future alive for today so it can come tomorrow. Otherwise, the future is never going to arrive.

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My ex-girlfriend had a visit to her school about the effects of wreckless driving (including driving under the influence).

It was run by all 3 emergency services in West Sussex. Started off with the usual presentation - few clips from various accidents, then a simulated incident (bit like a TV drama).

They were then taken outside to see the cast of that video trapped in a crashed car (complete with some pretty realistic makeup). They then had a demonstration on the whole process of extracting casualties. It ended with a the family being told one of them had died.

What was even more hard hitting for them was that it was based on a real accident that had happened the previous year, in which a girl from the school lost her mother.

My ex was both in awe and horrified at how realistic it was.

Worked though!! She won't even look at her car keys if she's had a drink...and talking to her friends, they're of the same opinion!