The Politics Thread

[Goodkat]

UKIP are a bunch of vultures, who listen to the 'umms and ahhs' of the people, then manipulate the rumours of 'Johnny Foreigner' getting preferences over Joe Bloggs then exaggerate these fears until people buy into them blindly, then score votes based on these made up fears. Have you ever seen the homeless hostels? My MIL works in one, Joe Bloggs is there, sure, but that is because Joe Bloggs is a heroin addict. But Johnny Foreigner is there too, no automatic house for him, he has to go through the system too, relying on charity of others.

Have you ever had a Somalian knock on your door, begging for you to call the police, because white thugs had beaten him half to death because 'he is black, init?' Different nationalities is like different eye colours. Are you a lesser person for having blue eyes or brown? Regardless of nationality, these are PEOPLE. We are all the same. This belief that just because one is born in Britain and the other not is a load of pish. Voting UKIP is dangerous. If they get power, we go back in time to when people were persecuted for race etc. and we all know how that turns out.

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[alexp999]

I still believe if you sort out welfare for people thar dont need it, then immigration could go a long way to helping itself.

I'm not saying nothing needs to be done with the EU, the free movement of people is being abused, but pulling out altogether is not the answer.

We do not have the great British empire anymore, thinking we can stand alone in this world against the likes of China and Russia, maybe even the US someday is naive IMO.

Plus I can't support any party who has an "I'm alright jack" attitude and think it is ok to drastically cut the foreign aid budget. It is already a tiny fraction of our GDP, we don't need it any way near what they do... Whats next ban Comic/Sport Relief?

I'm torn between Lib Dem and Tory, and they have traditionally been the main 2 contenders in my constituency. I might be in the minority, but I do still support the Lib Dems. People seem to focus on the one thing they were not able to achieve, they cannot have everything as a coalition, they didn't get a majority. Plus what gets me is that no-one seems to have explained that the cost of university tuition has always been 9k. That is what international students were paying when I went to uni. The govt were subsidising the 6k per year for UK students, which means everyone had to pay for those going to uni. I think it is a much fairer system now only the people going to uni have to pay towards the cost, the threshold is also a lot higher so you pay less each month than on the old system, or even nothing at all up to 21k. Maybe that will make more students appreciate the cost of their education and not use it as a 3-4yr party. Even then it is not a debt in the traditional sense, it is not on your credit file, you don't pay if you dont earn enough, and it gets written off after so many years.

Oh and what Goodkat said. :)

[MONDEO TXS 2.2]

The Government doesn't subsidise the Uni fees - the U.K. taxpayer picks up the tab, as is the case if the '' loan '' is eventually written off.

[alexp999]

Exactly, everyone had to pay as I mentioned. Even if loans are written off, a larger portion should be paid for by those going to uni, who should be able to earn more as a result of their education and if they don't, they don't pay. The system I'm on, I have to pay from minimum wage...

[Incontro]

I don't think there is anything racist about voting for UKIP, as they only want to reduce immigration, and not completely restrict it.

They want to implement a 'points-based' immigration system similar to Australia's (where I'm originally from), which is a rather good system in my view, as it attracts specialised workers (dentists, GP's, teachers, engineers) from all over the world (China, India, Canada, USA, you name it), rather than simply letting in hordes of unskilled workers (thanks EU), and people that have to rely on our overly generous benefits system. There aren't any stringent criminal record checks either for migrants from the EU, which is also a real problem.

The only thing I want is a party that rewards hard working, tax paying people, not a party that allows people on benefits to earn more than many people who have a job.

[Stoney871]

That's the dilemma caused by the previous governments 'elected' Prime Minister being married to a human rights lawyer.

Other EU member countries went through the human rights act and vetoed any bits that weren't 'compatible' with their ideals whereas we got everything (even the bits that made no sense whatsoever or were contradictory).

Unfortunately we're tied into it now with no way of altering the level of compliance.

Remember when Eire voted against accepting the act and the EU threatened to take away their subsidies unless they voted again in favour of acceptance?

The big problem for us is EU meddling and bullying which pushes voters into the arms of borderline racist groups.

I know that UKIP aren't exactly NF, BNP or suchlike but they could turn out just as dangerous if they get their feet in Downing Street.

Better the devil you know I say.

[Phil 87]

The only thing I want is a party that rewards hard working, tax paying people, not a party that allows people on benefits to earn more than many people who have a job.

I definitely agree with that, it sounds ridiculous when you think that some people can happily sit and do nothing because the only jobs they're qualified for won't gain them any more money. But the more I think about it I realise that it's not as simple as that. People need to have money to eat especially if they have children, so what can we do, raise the minimum wage?

This is where my understanding of the matter ends so I'll stop there lol.

[Goodkat]

Stolen from Facebook, I found it amusing, maybe you guys will too

[MONDEO TXS 2.2]

Elect Labour & they will no doubt double council tax again, as they did during the nightmare years between 1997 - 2010.

The U.K. can't afford Labour i.m.o.

[MONDEO TXS 2.2]

One of Labour's many inherent problems is that they represent the evil that is socialism & all socialists are world class at wasting other people's money then become clueless when the money pit inevitably dries up.

Socialism is a proven political failure.

Labour once represented the working class - but not since the closet Tory Blair ran the Country into the ground.

Labour are the party of welfare scroungers & U.K. taxpayer funded '' tax credit '' giveaways.

Practically every issue the U.K. has today is either directly or indirectly a consequence of Labour's disastrous misgovernment 1997 - 2010 i.m.o.

[jeebowhite]

I don't suspect ukip will win, but I don't believe in the other parties. I suspect best case scenario a coalition of ukip and someone else (labour for humour purposes) means perhaps the wild side of their plans will be forced to a curved state, and they can perhaps do the same for the other party. Lib dems are spineless, conservatives are too much for the better paid people, labour are like a lottery winning teenager, throw the money on s*x drugs rock and roll and stuff he consequences.

Heaven forbid a ukip and green party coalition lol.

Either way, it's just nice to see more and more sense coming out of some politicians. I would rather vote ukip knowing they won't win but to support their ideas, than to vote for a party I can't agree with and just be a hypocrite.

[Phil 87]

It's time to go and vote :). Here's something that comes to mind:

[MattDRX]

Anyone seen the interview between the anti islam protester leader woman yesterday with the hate preacher yesterday? issue is only UKIP would have the balls to send people like that who say on live TV that the woman should be killed via Sharia court, every other govt would happily leave him be so long as he voted for them, how he even gets to vote is beyond me, getting out these EU human rights act but humans who want other humans dead get rights over them act malark needs to happen sharpish.

Only matter of time before people in this country start arming themselves to protect themselves and their families, can't reply on the govt to do it and the police can't lock them away indefinitely either.

Still they won't win so consv get my vote just to prevent labour getting in.

Perhaps next time UKIP will be big enough and sort a few things out and we'll all be taken to them

[jeebowhite]

I think I am swapping back to greens.... I read somewhere a UKIP rep threatenened to shoot a colleague :| seriously?!

I know green has no cat in chance, but I would rather waste my vote with someone I partly agree with, than throw it to the clowns who I dont trust... However, if I bother getting to the ballot box, I might find my decision differs again.

[alexp999]

I think I am swapping back to greens.... I read somewhere a UKIP rep threatenened to shoot a colleague :| seriously?!

I know green has no cat in chance, but I would rather waste my vote with someone I partly agree with, than throw it to the clowns who I dont trust... However, if I bother getting to the ballot box, I might find my decision differs again.

Yup:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-england-32613475

[Phil 87]

I think I am swapping back to greens.... I read somewhere a UKIP rep threatenened to shoot a colleague :| seriously?!

I know green has no cat in chance, but I would rather waste my vote with someone I partly agree with, than throw it to the clowns who I dont trust... However, if I bother getting to the ballot box, I might find my decision differs again.

For anyone who's still a bit undecided, there are some good websites out there that can help you decide e.g:

http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/

https://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

I was surprised how my results came out on those sites, and it helped change my mind last night, along with a bit of research into the local candidates.

[jeebowhite]

what an absolute fist!

[MattDRX]

I think so long as we don't vote labour or SNP our lives will largely be unaffected or slightly improve.

[jeebowhite]

Yeah that survey just reassured me I am 33.3% green party and 33.3% lib dem - Nicks not getting my vote.... so now 3 surveys all rank Green as the highest...

I like them, but they want to kill the diesel car, still, by the time they get chance to pass that bill and make it law, some other government will be in and killing it.

[alexp999]

Green > UKIP imo.

Better to vote for a party with a few pipe dreams than one full of closet (or in some cases not) racists.

[Ianb]

To be honest... I am and was torn...

I look at the individual political leaders, Cameron is actually someone I don't mind as a person (the person we see), however him and Milliband and Clegg are career politicians... Farage was a businessman... I am in business, that is what tempted me. However, it was the fact that Milliband was a henchman when the gold reserves were sold for peanuts (and he is a tool) that swayed me to vote for conservatives... it was a negative vote (I voted because I didn't want labour to get a better chance).

UKIP, for me has been a wonderful party, whether you agree or disagree with their manifesto or opinions, the fact that they've caused the big boys to actually start addressing different topics aside from the usual BS!

Conservatives talk Conservatives, Labour talk Labour... UKIP comes along and throws a spanner in the works and makes them pick up the pieces!

Certainly, Milliband and his party of halfwits that dumped our country into the depths of poverty (labour party) with their wonderful decisions regarding gold reserves and war, will never get my vote!

[MONDEO TXS 2.2]

Labour being wiped out in Scotland as at 0.300 hrs. :)

[MONDEO TXS 2.2]

Scottish Labour '' leader '' loses his seat. :)

[MONDEO TXS 2.2]

Limp Dumb Vince Cable loses his seat :)

[MONDEO TXS 2.2]

Lib Dem's all but annihilated. :)