Joyzy Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 So car has done about 60k and I keep hearing horror stories about wetbelt failure on the eco boost engine, car is used for driving lessons so can’t afford problems, I have the car serviced every 12000 miles, should I have it replaced? If so should I only take it to a Ford dealership, roughly how much you guys recon. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unofix Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 The official recommendation is now 100,000 miles or 10 years which ever comes sooner. Personally I'd say this is crazy as that implies the car/engine is expected to last 200,000 miles or 20 years which I highly doubt. Yes I acknowledge there will be a few that do but in the great scheme of things not many. If I had a 1.0 ecoboom then I'd get the wet belts changed at 90,000 miles or 9 years.* This of course still doesn't guarantee it will make it to those figures but at least it's in with a chance. Currently Ford main dealers are charging between £1400 and £1800 for the work. Not all garages change all of the same parts so you should check what you're getting for the money. There are a small number of independent specialists who will do the replacement belt work for £900ish * Of course you could just run it till destruction (which is what I would do) and then replace the engine with a brand new one which currently costs £2051.00 inc. VAT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 Have you checked to make sure you still have the 'old' type engine? We've seen a few chain driven engines sneak into the Mk8 Fiesta's earlier than previously thought. As the car is used for driving lessons, I'm going to assume it's gets driven long distances every day - so the oil will be getting nice and hot, burning off any moisture that would otherwise contribute to wetbelt degradation. In this case, I wouldn't suggest replacement is necessary at 60k, I agree with Unofix's suggestion of around 90k on a vehicle that will manage that long before 10 years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Bloodaxe Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 42 minutes ago, TomsFocus said: We've seen a few chain driven engines sneak into the Mk8 Fiesta's earlier than previously thought. 2018 is is probably a bit early for such shenanigans, but Ford like to surprise us! What we have seen is a few revised engines (reversed head, chain cam drive) but non-MHEV like some early Mk 4 Focuses, when we originally thought all revised 1.0 ecoboost in the Fiesta were MHEV. Conversely some late cars were/are still being fitted with wet belt engines, the 100ps ecoboost and the normally aspirated versions as far as we know. In a few years, when Fiesta production is finished, the question "what engine is in my Fiesta" will be like an Agatha Christie mystery! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonson Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 12 hours ago, unofix said: The official recommendation is now 100,000 miles or 10 years which ever comes sooner. Is that correct? I've not seen mention of that, and the last time I checked I think it said 140K? Asking because my 2018 car is now on 95000... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexp999 Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 https://www.fordserviceinfo.com/FreeResources/Checksheets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 1 minute ago, alexp999 said: https://www.fordserviceinfo.com/FreeResources/Checksheets Beat me to it! Interesting that they include the oil pump belt for later models. Odd that after all that work they suggest checking valve clearances 6k later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonson Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 Thanks, thought so, I'm golden for another 50K then 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Jonson said: Thanks, thought so, I'm golden for another 50K then 😂 Maybe...but seeing as no oil or belt spec changes were made between the 100k versions and the 144k versions, then maybe not... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Bloodaxe Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 52 minutes ago, TomsFocus said: Maybe...but seeing as no oil or belt spec changes were made between the 100k versions and the 144k versions, then maybe not... Indeed. When I got my 2018 Mk 8 1.0 I noted that the service interval had effectively doubled from the Mk 7.5. I asked service several times what changes had been made to facilitate this, e.g. oil specification (VW Group specify a different oil for extended service intervals) or changes to the engine, belts, etc. I was told "none, as far as they knew"). So I stuck with the 12 monthly oil/filter change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unofix Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 On 4/17/2023 at 1:07 PM, Jonson said: Thanks, thought so, I'm golden for another 50K then 😂 I doubt if Ladbrokes would be willing to take a bet that your car will last to 144,000 miles Remember these are a MAXIMUM not a target to aim for. If you call your local Ford dealers I'm sure you will find that the recommended change is now 100,000 miles. Most 1.0 Ecoboosts do well to make it that far, but high mileage in a short time might actually be a positive. The disintegration of the wet belts may be more to do with the age rather than the miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsley91 Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 My 2017 St-Line red edition has done 85k miles and think now has this issue. oil pressure light took a while to clear but now is on 90% of the time (when I took it for a drive this morning I noticed this). Got towed back to my nearest main dealer and will be visiting them in the morning and I'm praying the engine isn't already unsavable. I've seen some other threads regarding this and the costs are eye-watering. Annoyingly I took out a loan to pay for the car (due to the mileage i had done in the first 3 years) so I can't really buy another car whilst still paying for the loan! I've had it serviced pretty regularly, but the last few services weren't done with a main dealer - done at a local garage as they were considerably cheaper (probably always are compared to main dealer right?). Going to give customer relations a call tomorrow after my visit and see if there's anything they can do. the RAC bloke says he see's so many of these go and the advertised 150k miles is a joke. Will keep you all posted... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 9 hours ago, Kingsley91 said: I've had it serviced pretty regularly, but the last few services weren't done with a main dealer - done at a local garage as they were considerably cheaper (probably always are compared to main dealer right?). Going to give customer relations a call tomorrow after my visit and see if there's anything they can do. Also worth contacting the local garage to see if they used an engine flush during the services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsley91 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 well i've dropped it off this morning and they are going to take a look. got to pay £156 for a diagnostics check to see the extent of the damage, and hopefully if its just the wet/timing belt that needs replacing then they said it will be just shy of £2,000 to fix. I'm going to get a few quotes from some other local / reputable garages to compare against. In the very unlikely event that I am able to get a good will gesture from Ford regarding the failure - would the repair need to be carried out at a main dealership or will they just send me X amounts towards the cost of the repair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexp999 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 The gesture of goodwill is only money off a main dealer doing, which can sometimes mean it's no cheaper than someone like pumaspeed doing. It depends how much the dealer tries to make on top at full rate. But as you've had it serviced by independent garages I'd say the chance of goodwill is close to zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsley91 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 1 hour ago, alexp999 said: The gesture of goodwill is only money off a main dealer doing, which can sometimes mean it's no cheaper than someone like pumaspeed doing. It depends how much the dealer tries to make on top at full rate. But as you've had it serviced by independent garages I'd say the chance of goodwill is close to zero. Yeah that's fair enough, there's no harm in asking. I've rung around a few other garages and they've given me quotes from £1240 - £1480 for the replacement, but may be additional costs if they have to do extra work e.g. drain the oil sump container of all the gunk in there etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Bit off topic, but I have just noticed Citroen(Australia) have recalled 632 of its C3 Aircross, C3 & C4 Cactus in regards to the Wet belt degrading due to aged engine oil. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon12 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 I wonder if ford along with other car companies ever updated the belt material to be more resistant (if thats even possible since its still rubber) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Bloodaxe Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 On 6/2/2023 at 11:13 PM, Hackney said: Bit off topic, but I have just noticed Citroen(Australia) have recalled 632 of its C3 Aircross, C3 & C4 Cactus in regards to the Wet belt degrading due to aged engine oil. Yes, from what I've seen, the causes of belt degradation in the PSA Puretech are the same as the ecoboost. Changing the belt looks to be just as much fun too! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said: Yes, from what I've seen, the causes of belt degradation in the PSA Puretech are the same as the ecoboost. Changing the belt looks to be just as much fun too! Probably the same issue. I might try a Citroen specialist in my region if and when mine needs doing.Looks a very similar ‘medical’ procedure! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Bloodaxe Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Hackney said: I might try a Citroen specialist in my region if and when mine needs doing.Looks a very similar ‘medical’ procedure! From what I can make out on the various videos online, the Puretech does look a bit easier (or should I say slightly less difficult) to do without engine removal, haven't seen mention of a torque multiplier (but might have missed that). Inspection also looks easier: https://garagewire.co.uk/news/technical/dayco-issues-belt-in-oil-technical-update-for-1-2-litre-puretech-engine/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 9 hours ago, Eric Bloodaxe said: From what I can make out on the various videos online, the Puretech does look a bit easier (or should I say slightly less difficult) to do without engine removal, haven't seen mention of a torque multiplier (but might have missed that). Inspection also looks easier: https://garagewire.co.uk/news/technical/dayco-issues-belt-in-oil-technical-update-for-1-2-litre-puretech-engine/ Yes correct, have just been watching ‘Kennedys garage’ (Irish guy) he says that the Puretech is a better engine to work on.Why couldn’t have Ford made it a lot simpler.He is very good btw! Garage wire also have a very good video on the 1.0 Ecoboost timing belt change.Very informative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexp999 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hackney said: Yes correct, have just been watching ‘Kennedys garage’ (Irish guy) he says that the Puretech is a better engine to work on.Why couldn’t have Ford made it a lot simpler.He is very good btw! Ford never intended for the wet belt to be serviceable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, alexp999 said: Ford never intended for the wet belt to be serviceable. Why do you say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon12 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Yeah didnt ford originally say it was meant to "last the life of the engine" then update that info to an actual milage figure later on. I dont see how they didnt think of a rubber belt degrading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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