2 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

..... It seems that here in the UK the case numbers are also being driven up by younger people who have yet to be vaccinated.

 

With respect, case numbers are an irrelevance. It's the number of hospital admittance and deaths that ultimately count. The average age of death attributed to Covid in the UK has remained at 82 for the duration of the pandemic

1 minute ago, StephenFord said:

has remained at 82 for the duration of the pandemic

you must be very relieved to be 83, you're safe now 🤣

3 minutes ago, unofix said:

you must be very relieved to be 83, you're safe now 🤣

The thing is, my mum was 84 last week, and still hasn't been called to get her 'booster' shot yet, which belies the government telling us that there is a reluctance on people to get their booster, sadly, the NHS seems to be failing on this booster program...

20 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

With respect, case numbers are an irrelevance. It's the number of hospital admittance and deaths that ultimately count. 

Yes, personally I'd be more interested in knowing how many are actually "ill", but I guess the relevance is that you could be carrying something you pass on to others without actually showing symptoms yourself. Quite a few of my friends/relatives have got Covid via their children/grandchildren who showed no symptoms. My aunt (85) has been hospitalised twice after (we suspect) picking it up from my youngest cousins college-age children.

24 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

The thing is, my mum was 84 last week, and still hasn't been called to get her 'booster' shot yet, which belies the government telling us that there is a reluctance on people to get their booster, sadly, the NHS seems to be failing on this booster program...

My Gran, 80 has just tested positive for Covid, her booster was due in a week or two.

At the moment it's just giving her mild cold symptoms, fingers crossed it doesn't progress any further.

Shame they couldn't have done the boosters a bit earlier.

got a  email just from jet2 holidays. book now for my summer 2023 holiday !!  really. lets get into 2022 first before asking me for a deposit on a 2023 hol! 

On 10/21/2021 at 10:22 AM, alexp999 said:

My Gran, 80 has just tested positive for Covid, her booster was due in a week or two.

At the moment it's just giving her mild cold symptoms, fingers crossed it doesn't progress any further.

Shame they couldn't have done the boosters a bit earlier.

I suggest she doesn't go out til after a few weeks and that she is monitored plus any family members in the household don't pass anything else on to her 👍

Booster and you can still get covid. A woman my partner works with had the 2 jabs then booster about 5 weeks ago . Last week caught covid and very poorly at home. At least it could have been worse if she hadn't had booster and ended up in hospital . 

1 minute ago, iantt said:

Booster and you can still get covid. 

I suppose we all need to remember that and not drop our guard. The medics have always emphasised that it's not a 100% guarantee against getting Covid, but it should only make you poorly rather than something worse.

Heard yesterday that a double jabbed (but not yet boosted) friend of ours has tested positive after having "fluey" symptoms. Her daughter who still lives at home is a secondary school teacher so we're guessing that's where it came from.

19 minutes ago, iantt said:

Booster and you can still get covid. ....

I think many misunderstand the purpose of the vaccination. It does not prevent you getting covid, neither does it prevent you passing it on. It does however dramatically decrease your risk of dying if you do get it. Borne out by the dramatic rise in recent hospital cases of younger folk, 30s to 40s, who have not been vaccinated.

7 hours ago, StephenFord said:

I think many misunderstand the purpose of the vaccination. It does not prevent you getting covid, neither does it prevent you passing it on. It does however dramatically decrease your risk of dying if you do get it. Borne out by the dramatic rise in recent hospital cases of younger folk, 30s to 40s, who have not been vaccinated.

I like the analogy of likening it to a car seatbelt. It doesn't prevent an accident but in the case of one it lessens the effect. 

5 hours ago, Turvey said:

I like the analogy of likening it to a car seatbelt. It doesn't prevent an accident but in the case of one it lessens the effect. 

Fair comment. 

Statistics are funny, you can of course prove what ever it is you want. So at the moment 70% of those serious ill in hospital have been double vaccinated. You could therefore think it must be safer not to be vaccinated as only 30% of those are ill. 

😀 

7 hours ago, unofix said:

Fair comment. 

Statistics are funny, you can of course prove what ever it is you want. So at the moment 70% of those serious ill in hospital have been double vaccinated. You could therefore think it must be safer not to be vaccinated as only 30% of those are ill. 

😀

That's as good as exactly the same percentage of folk who've been jabbed against not been 🤷 so going by that, being jabbed doesn't make you less susceptible to getting it! I'm confused! 😀

 

 

4 minutes ago, Turvey said:

That's as good as exactly the same percentage of folk who've been jabbed against not been 🤷 so going by that, being jabbed doesn't make you less susceptible to getting it! I'm confused! 😀

 

 

Because the population total includes all age groups. You won’t find many (if any) children and babies in hospital. 
 

So the 30% unvaccinated in hospital is still disproportionately higher when considering the vaccinated population for their age group. 

23 minutes ago, Turvey said:

That's as good as exactly the same percentage of folk who've been jabbed against not been 🤷 so going by that, being jabbed doesn't make you less susceptible to getting it! I'm confused! 😀

 

 

I think the current figures are nearer 85/15 %, so you are twice as likely to end up in hospital if unvaccinated. 

1 hour ago, Tizer said:

I think the current figures are nearer 85/15 %, so you are twice as likely to end up in hospital if unvaccinated. 

According to the goverments body "ONS" the figures are 70% double vaccinated and 30% none vaccinated are in hospital. Of course the percentage up and down will change day by day.

I'm begining to think the current vaccines are no longer effective against the present version of Covid, which should not be of any surprise since in 60 plus years of trying to defeat the common cold (a covid type virus) we have always been told that it mutates to quickly to have a long lasting cure.

 

58 minutes ago, unofix said:

According to the goverments body "ONS" the figures are 70% double vaccinated and 30% none vaccinated are in hospital. Of course the percentage up and down will change day by day

Yeah, but if the 15% of people who have nor been vaccinated account for 30% of admissions then you are twice as likely to be admitted than if you were vaccinated. Plus the vaccinated tend to be in the older age groups,, many of those have other health problems.

There was another recent publication from one of the Universities that only looked at people who had become infected in the community, rather than in hospital or a care home and that gave an efficiency of 90%. This figure is nearer the results of the trials, which were only done on people with no underlying health issues. I know that for a fact because a friend tried to volunteer for one of the trials and wasn't allowed to because he had intermittent high blood pressure. 

1 hour ago, unofix said:

According to the goverments body "ONS" the figures are 70% double vaccinated and 30% none vaccinated are in hospital. Of course the percentage up and down will change day by day.

I'm begining to think the current vaccines are no longer effective against the present version of Covid, which should not be of any surprise since in 60 plus years of trying to defeat the common cold (a covid type virus) we have always been told that it mutates to quickly to have a long lasting cure.

 

The common cold is caused by more than just coronaviruses, although it is one of them.

The Flu vaccine is an example of something which constanstly mutates, the annual booster is based on the current circulating strains. It's quite possible Covid-19 will need the same, each year tailoring it to the current circulating variants.

If the covid wasn't bad enough for the automotive industry, along came the micro chip shortage to make matters worse. Now we being told there's a magnesium shortage now in China that supply's vast majority of it to Europe and behind. Car makers now being warned of aluminium shortages in as little as a few weeks. Maybe scare mongering to an extent but china has shut alot of its magnesium producing plants down!! 

8 minutes ago, iantt said:

If the covid wasn't bad enough for the automotive industry, along came the micro chip shortage to make matters worse. Now we being told there's a magnesium shortage now in China that supply's vast majority of it to Europe and behind. Car makers now being warned of aluminium shortages in as little as a few weeks. Maybe scare mongering to an extent but china has shut alot of its magnesium producing plants down!! 

Are you still getting many deliveries?  I'm seeing there are very few new cars available at all across the board now.  Manufacturers suggesting delays until well into next year for fairly normal cars.  Also saw there are no Fiestas being built that haven't already been allocated to a customer...not sure whether that's true.

Looks like we need a car with steel wheels and no microchips...Dacia Sandero??

 

 

5 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

Looks like we need a car with steel wheels and no microchips...Dacia Sandero??

 

No problem, we can build the body out of wood, plenty of forests to cut down, though we may have to modify the crash standards LOL 🤣

4 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

Are you still getting many deliveries?  I'm seeing there are very few new cars available at all across the board now.  Manufacturers suggesting delays until well into next year for fairly normal cars.  Also saw there are no Fiestas being built that haven't already been allocated to a customer...not sure whether that's true.

Looks like we need a car with steel wheels and no microchips...Dacia Sandero??

 

 

Actually deliveries have picked up a bit , but more the commercial side than cars, as for a basic car, wouldn't it be nice to have a no frills car with just the essential safety tech to keep you safe. Manual windows, locks ,no power steering , 4 speed box and petrol engine. Those were the days. 😂😂

5 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

No problem, we can build the body out of wood, plenty of forests to cut down, though we may have to modify the crash standards LOL 🤣

I wonder what the green credential are of the Morgan cars with wooden chassis. 

4 minutes ago, iantt said:

I wonder what the green credential are of the Morgan cars with wooden chassis. 

They do actually use 'sustainable' sources for the wood, though TBH, if I had one, I could care less about the credentials LOL I'd quite like the 4.8 V8 version!

I only live a short drive away from where they make them . I remember having a tour of the factory while they worked . But back then the engines they fitted were fiat twin cam and rover V8 3.5 carburettor.