@JW1982 do you have access to one of them diagrams of the pipes I need to check? For example when you showed the degas hoses for the ecoboost? Would be appreciated as this is my first turbo car 😁

7zap is usually pretty good for diagrams. Might be worth a check on there.

https://ford.7zap.com/en/car/

37 minutes ago, F0CUE said:

@JW1982 do you have access to one of them diagrams of the pipes I need to check? For example when you showed the degas hoses for the ecoboost? Would be appreciated as this is my first turbo car 😁

Follow every pipe from the air cleaner outlet to the engine inlet, paying particular attention to the turbo intercooler hoses (top and bottom) to the left hand side of the radiator (when viewed from front of car, head in bonnet). Lower intercooler hose is quite hard to get to, but is the most likely one to have issues 

Ensure the jubilee clips are tight, that the hose hasn't blown off or has a split or hole in in 

1 hour ago, jlawes20389 said:

7zap is usually pretty good for diagrams. Might be worth a check on there.

https://ford.7zap.com/en/car/

Thanks will have a look 👍

23 minutes ago, DaveT70 said:

Follow every pipe from the air cleaner outlet to the engine inlet, paying particular attention to the turbo intercooler hoses (top and bottom) to the left hand side of the radiator (when viewed from front of car, head in bonnet). Lower intercooler hose is quite hard to get to, but is the most likely one to have issues 

Ensure the jubilee clips are tight, that the hose hasn't blown off or has a split or hole in in 

Nice one thanks. If it means taking off the bumper or under trays to see it will be a learning experience.

1 hour ago, F0CUE said:

Nice one thanks. If it means taking off the bumper or under trays to see it will be a learning experience.

Let us know how you get on

Ripped in about this today as yesterday was too hungover drank too much gin after work 😂 not a single issue with pipes as far as I can tell. Took out the MAP sensor and that was covered in oil so cleaned that up and also took out the MAF sensor and that was spotless.

Whilst looking in the bay I came across an unplugged wire down the side of the relay box any idea what it is and where it goes?

 

 

Also when the engine is running it makes a quaking sound at the right hand side of the block when facing it head in what the heck is that?.

 

@DaveT70 @BigLen @unofix @TomsFocus @Tdci-Peter @Tdci-Peter @WireyWhenWet @stef123

2 hours ago, F0CUE said:

I cam across an unplugged wire down the side of the relay box any idea what it is and where it goes?

Hi Ian, I'm not allowed to tell you what its for but @StephenFord will be along very soon to explain what it plugs in to 😉

2 minutes ago, unofix said:

Hi Ian, I'm not allowed to tell you what its for but @StephenFord will be along very soon to explain what it plugs in to 😉

🤣 Why are you not allowed to tell me?

2 minutes ago, unofix said:

Hi Ian, I'm not allowed to tell you what its for but @StephenFord will be along very soon to explain what it plugs in to 😉

Oh no, not another flux capacitor issue? I thought they were much rarer than they appear to be LOL 🤣

Stephen Ford is the expert on the Flux Capacitor plug. Only he is allowed to identify it 🤣

 

In actual fact I don't think it is actually in use. It is probably just for an option that your car doesn't have (like the optional Flux Capacitor).

Still it doesn't help with your problem. I watched the video and it sounds very odd

8 minutes ago, unofix said:

Still it doesn't help with your problem. I watched the video and it sounds very odd

Indeed it does. Such a weird noise.

2 hours ago, F0CUE said:

when the engine is running it makes a quaking sound at the right hand side of the block when facing it head in what the heck is that?

I wish that I could offer an answer but I just have no idea.

@Luke4efc might be able to offer some toughts on the problem

What Live reading do you get from from MAP Sensor at Idle and higher revs and is it steady or jumping all over the place?

46 minutes ago, Tizer said:

What Live reading do you get from from MAP Sensor at Idle and higher revs and is it steady or jumping all over the place?

If you mean voltage I don't have a voltmeter but there is no codes related to the MAP Sensor.

Think you forgot to tag @iantt 

Unused plugs aren't usually left open like that.  I think it was used at some point although the amount of ***** in it does suggest otherwise.  

Also have no idea what that noise is.  Sounds a bit like vacuum building up and then releasing.  I wonder if your vac pump is failing or leaking?  Just a stab though...

3 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

Think you forgot to tag @iantt 

Unused plugs aren't usually left open like that.  I think it was used at some point although the amount of ***** in it does suggest otherwise.  

Also have no idea what that noise is.  Sounds a bit like vacuum building up and then releasing.  I wonder if your vac pump is failing or leaking?  Just a stab though...

Lol I tried to remember all the names but lost track lately 🤣 whatever it is the sound comes from that area on the block as I put my ear close and it got louder. Now that you say the vac pump would that effect the turbo if the ECU noticed it was low?

5 minutes ago, F0CUE said:

Lol I tried to remember all the names but lost track lately 🤣 whatever it is the sound comes from that area on the block as I put my ear close and it got louder. Now that you say the vac pump would that effect the turbo if the ECU noticed it was low?

Yes, the VNT vanes work on vacuum pressure.  

 

1 hour ago, F0CUE said:

If you mean voltage I don't have a voltmeter but there is no codes related to the MAP Sensor.

If you go into the PCM with FORScan and bring up any PID's for MAP, there should be one for the MAP Pressure. There might be one for MAP Voltage as well but it is meaningless. Also worth bringing up the MAF as well.

1 hour ago, TomsFocus said:

Also have no idea what that noise is.  Sounds a bit like vacuum building up and then releasing.  I wonder if your vac pump is failing or leaking?  Just a stab though...

Great minds think alike😀, that was my thought also which is why I said about the MAP Pressure and whether it was steady.

The Vac Pump will also serve the Servo, unless your car has Electronic Brake Boost, so if it was the actual Vac Pump that was faulty rather than the acuter I would expect the Servo not to be working correctly as well. I'm not sure what else it works on your car if anything.

If you are not sure how to read Live Data, then here is a link to the Android version, there is one for IOS as well. https://forscan.org/documentation_Android.html  You don't have to read it all just the bit about bringing up PID's. Best to use the Dashboard with the phone version because it has real dials, much better than the Laptop Dashboard version.

Look in the PCM and click the box to the left for the PID's that you want then press the Start arrow. As a general rule when reading Live data, to get meaningful results for a lot of things the car needs to be driven and not just revved, but in this case you may not need to do that depending on what results you get at Idle and steady higher revs when stationary.

Edited September 26, 20214 yr by Tizer
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6 hours ago, F0CUE said:

when the engine is running it makes a quaking sound

In my view that noise is not physically possible from an engine. The regular clack-clack of a Diesel can not just be interrupted by a quiet sort of quack, it sounds very much like a digital artifact.

2 hours ago, Tizer said:

 

If you go into the PCM with FORScan and bring up any PID's for MAP, there should be one for the MAP Pressure. There might be one for MAP Voltage as well but it is meaningless. Also worth bringing up the MAF as well.

Great minds think alike😀, that was my thought also which is why I said about the MAP Pressure and whether it was steady.

The Vac Pump will also serve the Servo, unless your car has Electronic Brake Boost, so if it was the actual Vac Pump that was faulty rather than the acuter I would expect the Servo not to be working correctly as well. I'm not sure what else it works on your car if anything.

If you are not sure how to read Live Data, then here is a link to the Android version, there is one for IOS as well. https://forscan.org/documentation_Android.html  You don't have to read it all just the bit about bringing up PID's. Best to use the Dashboard with the phone version because it has real dials, much better than the Laptop Dashboard version.

Look in the PCM and click the box to the left for the PID's that you want then press the Start arrow. As a general rule when reading Live data, to get meaningful results for a lot of things the car needs to be driven and not just revved, but in this case you may not need to do that depending on what results you get at Idle and steady higher revs when stationary.

It's the Android version I use anyways so I will do that asap thanks very much for the input.

14 minutes ago, Tdci-Peter said:

In my view that noise is not physically possible from an engine. The regular clack-clack of a Diesel can not just be interrupted by a quiet sort of quack, it sounds very much like a digital artifact.

TBH on the video it sounds a bit different the noise dulls down the engine tick when it's doing it.

15 minutes ago, F0CUE said:

TBH on the video it sounds a bit different the noise dulls down the engine tick when it's doing it.

It is very possible that a loud but out of normal range sound could make the phone damp down the engine tick, and then attempt to record the out of range (low or high frequency) sound. But it does seem a very significant event to drown out the racket of a Diesel under bonnet noise!

"was leaving Iceland and all of a sudden felt a surge then loss of power and the engine malfunction service now warning appeared."

I assume that is Iceland the shop, not Iceland the country . But I have had a split air hose, and there was no surge or error warning, just a noise that many people would hardly notice, however I was tuned in to detect such things and noticed it almost immediately. It takes a large leak to make enough difference to the airflows in the engine to be detected as a fault.

I also looked at the first list of error codes you posted. There's a lot of codes there, and it does not seem to be complete.

It could be that they are old codes due to some odd event, and are irrelevant. But many of these codes do not persist for very long. If a similar list of codes happens again, I would be strongly suspecting an electrical fault on the HS-CAN bus. This could easily cause the symptoms of surge then loss of power that you give.

 

Yes they are old codes especially the brake one when I changed the brake pads there was a sticking caliper which I managed to resolve. The power of braking with black diamond pads is awesome. The steering one I have no clue what's going on there but have had no problems related I might recalibrate it. The only electrical fault that come to mind is the washer pump leaking tracking down the wires to the BCM I just hope it's not that. And yes the Iceland store 😂 @Tdci-Peter

On 9/26/2021 at 8:12 PM, Tizer said:

 

If you go into the PCM with FORScan and bring up any PID's for MAP, there should be one for the MAP Pressure. There might be one for MAP Voltage as well but it is meaningless. Also worth bringing up the MAF as well.

Great minds think alike😀, that was my thought also which is why I said about the MAP Pressure and whether it was steady.

The Vac Pump will also serve the Servo, unless your car has Electronic Brake Boost, so if it was the actual Vac Pump that was faulty rather than the acuter I would expect the Servo not to be working correctly as well. I'm not sure what else it works on your car if anything.

If you are not sure how to read Live Data, then here is a link to the Android version, there is one for IOS as well. https://forscan.org/documentation_Android.html  You don't have to read it all just the bit about bringing up PID's. Best to use the Dashboard with the phone version because it has real dials, much better than the Laptop Dashboard version.

Look in the PCM and click the box to the left for the PID's that you want then press the Start arrow. As a general rule when reading Live data, to get meaningful results for a lot of things the car needs to be driven and not just revved, but in this case you may not need to do that depending on what results you get at Idle and steady higher revs when stationary.

This is the point where the error kicks in and MAP is steady is this any use? @Tizer